Random NBA Observations 2014 - 2015

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We would have beaten Toronto, GSW and Washington if we werent so young and our coach was decent :snoop:

I miss that Air Gordon swag :mjcry:
 
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FTBS said:
Suggesting that Kyrie has been the best player on the floor flies directly in the face of the actual best player on the floor being the defenses number 1 focus and still putting up better numbers.
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Let's have a look at the games shall we?

vs Knicks: Irving (53% shooting, 22 points, 7 assists and 4 turnovers)
Bron (33% shooting, 17 points, 4 assists and 8 turnovers

vs Bulls: Bron (46% shooting, 36 points, 5 assists, and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (35% shooting, 23 points, 3 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Trail Blazers: Bron (33% shooting, 11 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (17% shooting, 7 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)

vs Jazz: Irving (52% shooting, 34 points, 1 turnover)
Bron (44% shooting, 34 points, 4 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Nuggets: Bron (44% shooting, 22 points, 11 assists and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (45% shooting, 12 points, 6 assists and 1 turnovers)

vs Pelicans: Irving (52% shooting, 32 points, 9 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (52% shooting, 32 points, 9 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Celtics: Bron (59% shooting, 41 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Irving (50% shooting, 27 points, 5 assists and 0 turnvoers

vs Hawks: Bron (65% shooting, 32 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Irving (66% shooting, 20 points, 5 assists and 0 turnovers)

vs Nuggets: Irving (41% shooting, 20 points, 8 assists and 4 turnovers)
Bron (44% shooting, 22 points, 5 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Spurs: Irving (46% shooting, 20 points, 3 assists and 2 turnovers)
Bron (35% shooting, 15 points, 9 assists and 5 turnovers)

vs Wizards: Irving (43% shooting, 22 points, 2 assists and 3 turnovers)
Bron (38% shooting, 22 points, 4 assists and 3 turnovers)

vs Raptors: Irving (50% shooting, 22 points, 6 assists and 3 turnovers)
Bron (50% shooting, 15 points, 10 assists and 5 turnovers)

vs Magic: Bron (52% shooting, 29 points, 11 assists and 1 turnover)
Irving (55% shooting, 12 points, 4 assists and 0 turnovers)

vs Wizards: Bron (50% shooting, 29 points, 8 assists and 4 turnovers)
Irving (46% shooting, 18 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)

vs Pacers: Irving (52% shooting, 24 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (50% shooting, 19 points, 7 assists and 3 turnover)

vs Bucks: Irving (66% shooting, 28 points, 6 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (40% shooting, 26 points, 10 assists and 7 turnovers)

vs Knicks: Irving (66% shooting, 37 points, 2 assists 3 turnovers)
Bron (41% shooting, 19 points, 12 assists and 4 turnovers)

8 games in favor of Irving (in terms of production)
7 games in favor of Bron (in terms of production)
2 games split decision (Kyrie actually performed slightly better than Bron in those games)

Irving - 22.4 ppg (15.3 field goal attempts), 49% shooting, 42% 3pt shooting, 84% FT shooting (6.2 attempts per game), 4.8 assists and 1.8 turnovers per game

Bron - 24.6 ppg (18 field goal attempts), 46% shooting, 34% 3pt shooting, 75% FT shooting (8.3 attempts) 7.6 assists and 3.9 turnovers

Bron only scored 2.2 ppg more than Irving, despite taking nearly THREE extra field goals and TWO extra free throw attempts.

Irving: 81 assists and 30 turnovers - 2.7 assists per turnover
Bron: 130 assists and 67 turnovers - 1.9 assists per turnover

Irving - 62 TS%, 56 eFG%, 8.9 TOV%, 23.9 usage%, 125 offensive player rating
Bron - 56% TS%, 51 eFG%, 15.4 TOV%, 30.9 usage%, 111 offensive player rating

And although I don't like using advanced stats, because it doesn't give you an accurate picture - you can see the considerable difference across the board in favor of Irving.

In conclusion, Bron didn't put up better numbers, given the fact he was more careless with the ball (killed the Cavs' momentum more than Kyrie did through double the amount of turnovers) and was less efficient shooting from the floor - Irving was the more productive player over that span.

FTBS said:
Saying he's playing "as well as he could be" suggests that there is something in place that would hinder his play.
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No. He's only 22-year-old and doesn't have the greatest passing or vision and his lower amount of touches to build an offensive rhythm means that he can only play so well.

FTBS said:
Playing with talent helps fare more than it hurts.
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Of course it does, but then you also have to weigh into account what difference a new system, different personnel and allowance for star-player workloads affect a player's performances. We've seen how Love has struggled this season.

FTBS said:
He's being allowed to do what he does best (put his head down and score) with more freedom than he's had before due to the presence of those guys.
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In part that's true, I wouldn't say he's had more freedom though, certainly not in the sense where he's been given free reign due to the fact that Bron handles the ball more than he does. He's had to be more conservative this season, and pick his moments more (which is certainly beneficial since he doesn't need to be scoring all game) - as I said before close to 90% of those games, Irving was the leading 4th quarter points scorer in the league while still maintaining a 49/50% shooting average.

FTBS said:
Bron has been consistent, he just hasn't been consistently himself.
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Bron hasn't been consistent by any standard, let alone his own. The evidence is all through the first quarter of the season - high percentage high point-scoring, adequate assist-to-turnover game, followed by a low-percentage low-point scoring, abysmal assist-to-turnover game - repeat cycle. He's been up and down over that span, whereas Irving has been more consistent.

FTBS said:
His lower level play is on Kyrie's level, while his highs are beyond. The only output that is near equal is scoring and shooting.
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His lower level isn't on Kyrie's level - the evidence is above.

FTBS said:
If you look at the games they lost, it was actually Bron playing :hamster: and not being aggressive and/or Kyrie being to aggressive and/or Love disappearing and/or the team defense just sucking..
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Which is exactly my point, Kyrie has been playing consistently great more than Bron has over that stretch, and given that their production (which really is in favor of Kyrie) is similar that Kyrie was the better performer. Kyrie stepped up more than Bron did throughout those games.

FTBS said:
My point was that Bron would have to play even worse than he's played this year and Kyrie would have to play better for Kyrie to outplay him.
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Nah, I think you need to watch the games you missed this season and put it next to the games you did watch. You'll see.
 
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AlbertPullhoez said:
Monta best SG in the league not named Kobe
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