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What made you think he should be to begin with :dahell:

LaVine got me question steve alford's decision making at UCLA :francis: homie had LaVine on the bench


I tried to give him the benefit of doubt, I thought he could improve as a shooter and I was dead wrong. Watching him pass the ball off to someone then the defense flat out ignore him when he doesn't have it is just pathetic.


They overpaid to keep him when nobody else would give him shyt, dude is a poor man's Elfrid Payton :scust:
 

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Nah, it isn't the dunking because he hasn't had any really great in game dunks yet, it's the fact he has what looks to be an offensive game. You can't sit here and call him unskilled on one hand, then not acknowledge the fact he's shot better from the field in his rookie year than Rubio ever has. When I watch him I see Jamal Crawford with a chance to be more than that, for a dude that is raw offensively he's done an admirable job playing PG. His decision making needs a ton of work but he's 19, you're really hard on this dude and he's had a stretch here on offense at least better than ANY run Rubio has ever been on.


Jamal's a 40% shooter who couldn't play PG full-time either and win (and using this comparison right, tell me what happened to Crawford when he got healthy, got PT in Chicago and I guess discovered a niche in years 3 and 4. When you figure that out, you'll learn why the investment isn't worth shyt)

The funny thing is you're doing exactly what I said people would do with Zach earlier this year. It's gone from "he can a destination player" and "Russy 2.0" to "he can be a little better than Crawford" Unless y'all think Westbrook and Crawford are the same player, the bar's being lowered and UOENO it

According to a couple beat writers over there, the team doesn't play as hard when Zach runs point because they know he can't pass (and by that I mean basic shyt like entry level bounce pass shyt). They DO like him at the SG because he doesn't have to think about creating or anything, just catching and shooting.




Mudiay is a better shooter than Rubio and most importantly he will more than likely be able to finish in the lane, which is something Rubio can't do (LaVine can as well).

LaVine's not great at it though because he can't absorb the contact, that and the whole mid-range shyt.

Mudiay makes Rondo look like Calderon from the line. Him drawing contact in the lane is a negative.


They don't have any shooters, and their PG is one of the worst ever at his position, that cannot be stressed enough. I have more faith in LaVine developing a jumper than I do Rubio. I don't shyt on Rubio to antagonize you, I don't even @ you with my criticisms of him anymore, I truly feel he's not an NBA starter.

I truly don't think there's anything to develop with Zach. I damn sure don't think he moves the needle in terms of wins and losses, whereas one of the worst shooters ever at his position single handedly does. We had this convo already. there isn't a way you can jettison Ricky out and improve the team, not when everyone looks like crap without him there (and I can't keep saying this enough: trust Flip at your own risk. He hasn't knowingly drafted a good player yet and likely won't this summer)

I'd say to trade him, but there isn't a team in the league that would take him right now. I just can't understand how you can be so down on almost everyone on that team except Rubio, he is a liability on offense, at least there's a chance LaVine can go off for 30, something Rubio hasn't done in 200 games.

9-50 without him will do that. 5-22 during a playoff hunt will do that.

Going off for 30 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Winning the game. They're clearly inept at doing both and it doesn't help that there's no accountability for not winning. Think about it. This year was a waste in terms of team building. Next year, everyone's hopefully on the mend and you know what everyone will say?

"Y'all ain't making the playoffs anyway. Tank for Simmons! Tank-a-Thon! Get Skal!"

the year after that it will be the same thing. and then all of a sudden it's "man they better leave and find a team that's contending." All they're learning is that losing is OK because they have forever apparently to build a team.
 

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I tried to give him the benefit of doubt, I thought he could improve as a shooter and I was dead wrong. Watching him pass the ball off to someone then the defense flat out ignore him when he doesn't have it is just pathetic.


They overpaid to keep him when nobody else would give him shyt, dude is a poor man's Elfrid Payton :scust:

I knew that boi would never learn to shoot just like rondo.

I'm not a payton fan either. When bill simmons was hyping him up pre draft I just had the :beli: face

GM's still drafting basketball players that can't shoot :beli:
 

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Jamal's a 40% shooter who couldn't play PG full-time either and win (and using this comparison right, tell me what happened to Crawford when he got healthy, got PT in Chicago and I guess discovered a niche in years 3 and 4. When you figure that out, you'll learn why the investment isn't worth shyt)

The funny thing is you're doing exactly what I said people would do with Zach earlier this year. It's gone from "he can a destination player" and "Russy 2.0" to "he can be a little better than Crawford" Unless y'all think Westbrook and Crawford are the same player, the bar's being lowered and UOENO it

I've never said he could be Westbrook 2.0, he could be a better version of Jamal Crawford, and honestly speaking that's a better player than Rubio. If all LaVine can be is a high level 6th man so be it, I'll take that over a PG that simply cannot shoot from anywhere on the floor. I'd still roll the dice and play him at PG and see what happens, what do you have to lose exactly?

According to a couple beat writers over there, the team doesn't play as hard when Zach runs point because they know he can't pass (and by that I mean basic shyt like entry level bounce pass shyt). They DO like him at the SG because he doesn't have to think about creating or anything, just catching and shooting.

And when Rubio is out there, once he gives up the ball you may as well be playing 4 on 5, you'd have as much success with Ben Wallace spacing the floor as you do Rubio once the ball is out of his hands.




LaVine's not great at it though because he can't absorb the contact, that and the whole mid-range shyt.

Mudiay makes Rondo look like Calderon from the line. Him drawing contact in the lane is a negative.

LaVine is shooting 62% 0-3 ft in, by comparison Rubio is shooting 47% in the lane for his career, do you realize how bad that is? Kyle Korver has a better chance of making a 3 pointer than this dude has of making a layup, I mean if he could shoot that wouldn't be so bad but he compounds that problem by being such a terrible jumpshooter.


Mudiay shot 58% from the line, I'll take that over a guy shooting 37% from the field for his entire career.



I truly don't think there's anything to develop with Zach. I damn sure don't think he moves the needle in terms of wins and losses, whereas one of the worst shooters ever at his position single handedly does. We had this convo already. there isn't a way you can jettison Ricky out and improve the team, not when everyone looks like crap without him there (and I can't keep saying this enough: trust Flip at your own risk. He hasn't knowingly drafted a good player yet and likely won't this summer)

Come on fam, he can improve his jumpshot, we're talking about a 20 year old here. Saying there's nothing to develop with him is just crazy, if his jumpshot gets more reliable then his entire game could open up. You're fukked then if Rubio is your PG 2-3 years from now, he's just not very good and you want to talk about a dude that won't develop he's the poster child, he's been the same player for 10 years now. There's no way to get rid of Rubio because you'd have to attach picks for a team to take him, that speaks volumes about him, do you really think anyone would trade for him without LaVine or some manner of picks being included?



9-50 without him will do that. 5-22 during a playoff hunt will do that.

Going off for 30 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Winning the game. They're clearly inept at doing both and it doesn't help that there's no accountability for not winning. Think about it. This year was a waste in terms of team building. Next year, everyone's hopefully on the mend and you know what everyone will say?

"Y'all ain't making the playoffs anyway. Tank for Simmons! Tank-a-Thon! Get Skal!"

the year after that it will be the same thing. and then all of a sudden it's "man they better leave and find a team that's contending." All they're learning is that losing is OK because they have forever apparently to build a team.





This year wasn't a waste, both Wiggins and LaVine have shown major growth since the beginning of the season. Wiggins is better off without Rubio pounding the rock all game, he wasn't much better when Ricky was out there, things didn't get easier for him when Rubio came back, he actually regressed when only Mr. Basura himself was out there being unguarded on the perimeter.

You weren't making the playoffs with Rubio, but you'll be better in the future, Wiggins does have superstar potential and the sooner you build around him the better. Eventually people will notice just how bad Rubio is on offense and how it hurts Wiggins game when he's getting doubled because his PG may as well try kicking the ball into the hoop, same odds of going in.
 

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I've never said he could be Westbrook 2.0, he could be a better version of Jamal Crawford, and honestly speaking that's a better player than Rubio. If all LaVine can be is a high level 6th man so be it, I'll take that over a PG that simply cannot shoot from anywhere on the floor. I'd still roll the dice and play him at PG and see what happens, what do you have to lose exactly?

Games and lots of em.






Come on fam, he can improve his jumpshot, we're talking about a 20 year old here. Saying there's nothing to develop with him is just crazy, if his jumpshot gets more reliable then his entire game could open up. You're fukked then if Rubio is your PG 2-3 years from now, he's just not very good and you want to talk about a dude that won't develop he's the poster child, he's been the same player for 10 years now. There's no way to get rid of Rubio because you'd have to attach picks for a team to take him, that speaks volumes about him, do you really think anyone would trade for him without LaVine or some manner of picks being included?

we're arguing in circles now. If he's not that valuable then there needs to be a big explanation as to why they're historically inept without him.




This year wasn't a waste, both Wiggins and LaVine have shown major growth since the beginning of the season. Wiggins is better off without Rubio pounding the rock all game, he wasn't much better when Ricky was out there, things didn't get easier for him when Rubio came back, he actually regressed when only Mr. Basura himself was out there being unguarded on the perimeter.

Actually Wiggins plays worse without Rubio. He shoots only 40% with Zach at PG compared to 46% with Rubio. Wiggins can't even make a 3 anymore.

You weren't making the playoffs with Rubio, but you'll be better in the future
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When I'm dead?
Wiggins does have superstar potential and the sooner you build around him the better.
They're not doing a good job of it now and that's just off coaching.

If this is such an amazingly great foundation, wouldn't someone wanna coach it?
 

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Games and lots of em.

You lose games with him :manny:








we're arguing in circles now. If he's not that valuable then there needs to be a big explanation as to why they're historically inept without him.


You'd be a better team with Dennis Schroeder starting for you, and I'm not saying you can get Dennis or to go out and try to trade for him, I'm pointing out that a 2nd year backup PG is already a better player than Rubio. There are plenty of PGs that would have the Wolves in a better position than they are now, Mudiay will be a better player than him and drafting him wouldn't be the end of the world.






Actually Wiggins plays worse without Rubio. He shoots only 40% with Zach at PG compared to 46% with Rubio. Wiggins can't even make a 3 anymore.

Bruh, he's averaging 25ppg on 46% shooting right now without Rubio, and when he was playing the 2 without Rubio he averaged 20ppg on 47%. His absolute best stretches have been without Rubio, and he was making the 3 early in the year without Rubio, that has nothing to do with Ricky not being there he's steadily gotten worse at the shot as the season progressed independent of Ricky.
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When I'm dead?

You'll be alive 2-3 years from now.

They're not doing a good job of it now and that's just off coaching.

If this is such an amazingly great foundation, wouldn't someone wanna coach it?

So you'll be shocked when someone of note takes the job? Because I can see it happening now that you legitimately have a young stud.
 

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You lose games with him :manny:

Not nearly as much.










You'd be a better team with Dennis Schroeder starting for you, and I'm not saying you can get Dennis or to go out and try to trade for him


So why mention it?

Mudiay will be a better player than him and drafting him wouldn't be the end of the world.
Mudiay couldn't beat a 38 year old Marbury but he's gonna come here and wreck shyt? Yeah OK.




Bruh, he's averaging 25ppg on 46% shooting right now without Rubio, and when he was playing the 2 without Rubio he averaged 20ppg on 47%. His absolute best stretches have been without Rubio, and he was making the 3 early in the year without Rubio, that has nothing to do with Ricky not being there he's steadily gotten worse at the shot as the season progressed independent of Ricky.

And if LaVine or whoever shows any sense of improvement, Wiggins will never see SG again.
You'll be alive 2-3 years from now.

If I got a dollar for every time I read or heard this over the last decade...(not me being alive, the idea that it's always 2-3 years away.)



So you'll be shocked when someone of note takes the job? Because I can see it happening now that you legitimately have a young stud.

Yes.
 

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Not nearly as much.

You won't get very far with him either, having a guy like Rubio will lead to treadmill status at absolute best.











So why mention it?

To highlight the fact that there are no less than 15 PGs in the NBA right now that are better than Rubio, and guys coming into the league who will be better than him. Losing him or benching him isn't the end of the world when it's the deepest position in the league, I mean yall drafted a guy (Lawson) who turned out better than him.
Mudiay couldn't beat a 38 year old Marbury but he's gonna come here and wreck shyt? Yeah OK.

Who said Mudiay will wreck shyt, Rubio isn't wrecking shyt so why would he need to? He projects as a better player than Rubio.



And if LaVine or whoever shows any sense of improvement, Wiggins will never see SG again.

What if LaVine shows improvement at the 1 :mjpls:




If I got a dollar for every time I read or heard this over the last decade...

You didn't have a wing player with superstar potential, just a 3rd option PF and a PG that would be coming off the bench for damn near every playoff team :ld:

And tell me I'm lying when I said he wouldn't start for damn near every playoff team...





You have the player, it'll happen.
 

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You won't get very far with him either, having a guy like Rubio will lead to treadmill status at absolute best.

I don't have title aspirations with this team. It would look ridiculous to ask that of them. I wouldn't mind the treadmill at this point. It's as far as they'll realistically go.



To highlight the fact that there are no less than 15 PGs in the NBA right now that are better than Rubio, and guys coming into the league who will be better than him. Losing him or benching him isn't the end of the world when it's the deepest position in the league, I mean yall drafted a guy (Lawson) who turned out better than him.

yet they can't realistically get their hands on one. keep trusting Flip though.


Who said Mudiay will wreck shyt, Rubio isn't wrecking shyt so why would he need to? He projects as a better player than Rubio.

If it doesn't mean anything what's the point?




What if LaVine shows improvement at the 1 :mjpls:
He won't. Don't worry about it.




You didn't have a wing player with superstar potential, just a 3rd option PF and a PG that would be coming off the bench for damn near every playoff team :ld:





You have the player, it'll happen.

The only way they get a new coach is if they keep losing, and that's if Flip doesn't wanna do it. I'm not sure you realize how toxic that situation is.
 

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Will be nice to see Jabari and Randle return, and Saric and Embiid for the first time next season :ehh:
 
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