Rand Paul on the View (presents argument for guns but Whoopi is stuck on talking pts.)

[Domingo Halliburton]

If what's implemented, the laws?

I ask because in the post you quoted I already clearly laid out the issue. The laws wouldn't stop criminals from acquiring guns, they'd stop law abiding citizens from acquiring guns as protection against criminals, and more importantly a corrupt government.

And if you think the dictatorship answer is "retarded" you should really study up on history and the current state of US politics much more.

Yeah. What's the problem? The laws have absolutely no effect apparently ...so what does it matter?

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

And when does the Obama dictatorship start?

 

[Lifer11]

Yeah. What's the problem? The laws have absolutely no effect apparently ...so what does it matter?

And when does the Obama dictatorship start?

I'm worried about your reading comprehension.

Again I clearly laid out the issue in this post that you quoted. It will stop law abiding citizens from acquiring guns, and that's what the 2nd amendment was put in place for. So a law abiding citizen could buy a gun and feel safe in their own home, against criminals and as a population we could feel at least some level of safety against a corrupt government.

And I didn't say that there was a looming dictatorship. I said that what Rand Paul is warning against is the precedent being set by so many executive orders, that eventually a dictatorship could arise. It could be 20-30 years from now, either way the steps have been put in place for one to possibly arise.

 

[Tha Sircus]

And when does the Obama dictatorship start?

Maybe it's not Obama maybe it's a TRUMP dictatorship

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

I'm worried about your reading comprehension.

Again I clearly laid out the issue in this post that you quoted. It will stop law abiding citizens from acquiring guns, and that's what the 2nd amendment was put in place for. So a law abiding citizen could buy a gun and feel safe in their own home, against criminals and as a population we could feel at least some level of safety against a corrupt government.

And I didn't say that there was a looming dictatorship. I said that what Rand Paul is warning against is the precedent being set by so many executive orders, that eventually a dictatorship could arise. It could be 20-30 years from now, either way the steps have been put in place for one to possibly arise.

You're a moron. The best part is you accusing me of not reading. You're just pissed you can't defend your stupid opinions. I hope Obama takes your guns at this point.

That chick in your avi is hot. If you're going to quote me tell me her name.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

Maybe it's not Obama maybe it's a TRUMP dictatorship

I hope trump takes your guns too

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I wonder if any of these "guns advance freedom!" fools think out their arguments with real world data.


American police shot and kill 986 of us last year. They killed another 200 or so via other means (tasers, beatings, restraint, etc.).

German police shot and killed something like 2 people last year. Most years it's 5 or 6.

UK police average 1 person shot and killed a year.

Australia averages 2 people shot and killed by cops a year.

Same goes for a bunch of other countries.


The American obsession with guns is a big reason why Americans are MORE likely to be killed by the Powers That Be. We think that violence is the only tool we have to defend ourselves, and preach violence as the ultimate solution. So the police bulk up on violence, civilians get more violent back, police get more violent back....it's a self-feeding loop. Civilians are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting cops who ain't even doing shyt, and cops are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting back at civilians who ain't even doing shyt.


Look at the Washington Post article on the cop killings. They're all defending themselves, "But in 3/4 of the killings the police were under attack! But in 90% of the killings the victim was armed!" As if killing someone is the only recourse that police have to a compative suspect or someone standing there holding a knife. But it's our gun culture and reliance on violence as a solution that has everyone believing "guns are the answer", whether they're police or civilians.

Seriously, you think the UK and Germany and Australia don't have mentally ill people? That they don't have their own racial issues? That they don't have power-hungry cops? How is it that America's the country with 1000 cop shootings-to-kill a year, yet they can manage shyt with only 1 or 2?

 

[Lifer11]

You're a moron. The best part is you accusing me of not reading. You're just pissed you can't defend your stupid opinions. I hope Obama takes your guns at this point.

That chick in your avi is hot. If you're going to quote me tell me her name.

At this point you've proven beyond a doubt that you don't deserve a response, but fukk it..

I don't own a gun, but if the government took away all the legal guns, within a relatively short period we'd have near anarchy or a dictatorship. I say near anarchy due to either the response from the population, or from the criminals.

And once again, I didn't accuse you of not reading. I questioned your reading comprehension, which you've once again proved you have very little of.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

At this point you've proven beyond a doubt that you don't deserve a response, but fukk it..

I don't own a gun, but if the government took away all the legal guns, within a relatively short period we'd have near anarchy or a dictatorship. I say near anarchy due to either the response from the population, or from the criminals.

And once again, I didn't accuse you of not reading. I questioned your reading comprehension, which you've once again proved you have very little of.

Didnt read. What's her name?

 

[Lifer11]

I wonder if any of these "guns advance freedom!" fools think out their arguments with real world data.


American police shot and kill 986 of us last year. They killed another 200 or so via other means (tasers, beatings, restraint, etc.).

German police shot and killed something like 2 people last year. Most years it's 5 or 6.

UK police average 1 person shot and killed a year.

Australia averages 2 people shot and killed by cops a year.

Same goes for a bunch of other countries.


The American obsession with guns is a big reason why Americans are MORE likely to be killed by the Powers That Be. We think that violence is the only tool we have to defend ourselves, and preach violence as the ultimate solution. So the police bulk up on violence, civilians get more violent back, police get more violent back....it's a self-feeding loop. Civilians are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting cops who ain't even doing shyt, and cops are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting back at civilians who ain't even doing shyt.


Look at the Washington Post article on the cop killings. They're all defending themselves, "But in 3/4 of the killings the police were under attack! But in 90% of the killings the victim was armed!" As if killing someone is the only recourse that police have to a compative suspect or someone standing there holding a knife. But it's our gun culture and reliance on violence as a solution that has everyone believing "guns are the answer", whether they're police or civilians.

Seriously, you think the UK and Germany and Australia don't have mentally ill people? That they don't have their own racial issues? That they don't have power-hungry cops? How is it that America's the country with 1000 cop shootings-to-kill a year, yet they can manage shyt with only 1 or 2?

In the UK, Germany, and Australia they have very strict gun laws, but you can still own a gun for various reasons.

 

[Tha Sircus]

I hope trump takes your guns too

Hmmm why are you being so obtuse ?

Trump poses a serious threat to any minority that he deems won't "make America great again".

He wouldn't stop at guns who knows how far trump or any other possible future president will go maybe he decides that after he builds a wall to keep certain groups out now it's time to get rid of other groups that are already here.


And with the new power of executive orders it would be perfectly "legal".

 

[Tha Sircus]

I wonder if any of these "guns advance freedom!" fools think out their arguments with real world data.


American police shot and kill 986 of us last year. They killed another 200 or so via other means (tasers, beatings, restraint, etc.).

German police shot and killed something like 2 people last year. Most years it's 5 or 6.

UK police average 1 person shot and killed a year.

Australia averages 2 people shot and killed by cops a year.

Same goes for a bunch of other countries.


The American obsession with guns is a big reason why Americans are MORE likely to be killed by the Powers That Be. We think that violence is the only tool we have to defend ourselves, and preach violence as the ultimate solution. So the police bulk up on violence, civilians get more violent back, police get more violent back....it's a self-feeding loop. Civilians are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting cops who ain't even doing shyt, and cops are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting back at civilians who ain't even doing shyt.


Look at the Washington Post article on the cop killings. They're all defending themselves, "But in 3/4 of the killings the police were under attack! But in 90% of the killings the victim was armed!" As if killing someone is the only recourse that police have to a compative suspect or someone standing there holding a knife. But it's our gun culture and reliance on violence as a solution that has everyone believing "guns are the answer", whether they're police or civilians.

Seriously, you think the UK and Germany and Australia don't have mentally ill people? That they don't have their own racial issues? That they don't have power-hungry cops? How is it that America's the country with 1000 cop shootings-to-kill a year, yet they can manage shyt with only 1 or 2?

How did all that work out in Paris?

I bet those people wished they weren't just harmless targets.


I bet they wish they would of had a way to fight back and defend themselves.

 

[soulfuljah]

I wonder if any of these "guns advance freedom!" fools think out their arguments with real world data.


American police shot and kill 986 of us last year. They killed another 200 or so via other means (tasers, beatings, restraint, etc.).

German police shot and killed something like 2 people last year. Most years it's 5 or 6.

UK police average 1 person shot and killed a year.

Australia averages 2 people shot and killed by cops a year.

Same goes for a bunch of other countries.


The American obsession with guns is a big reason why Americans are MORE likely to be killed by the Powers That Be. We think that violence is the only tool we have to defend ourselves, and preach violence as the ultimate solution. So the police bulk up on violence, civilians get more violent back, police get more violent back....it's a self-feeding loop. Civilians are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting cops who ain't even doing shyt, and cops are so ultra-violent that some of them are shooting back at civilians who ain't even doing shyt.


Look at the Washington Post article on the cop killings. They're all defending themselves, "But in 3/4 of the killings the police were under attack! But in 90% of the killings the victim was armed!" As if killing someone is the only recourse that police have to a compative suspect or someone standing there holding a knife. But it's our gun culture and reliance on violence as a solution that has everyone believing "guns are the answer", whether they're police or civilians.

Seriously, you think the UK and Germany and Australia don't have mentally ill people? That they don't have their own racial issues? That they don't have power-hungry cops? How is it that America's the country with 1000 cop shootings-to-kill a year, yet they can manage shyt with only 1 or 2?

1st - The combined population of the 3 countries/continent that you named combined population is around 50% of the US
2nd - Germany's law enforcement is probably one of the most regulated in the world. Nazi backlash
3rd - Most of UK cops don't carry guns.
4th - Australia might not shoot that many people, but trust, they have their own policing issues


The powers that be don't care if you have guns or not; recent history shows us this. Native Americans, slaves, victims of the Holocaust, and Mao Tse-tung had no gun obsession. I don't think that violence is the only tool that we have to defend ourselves, but I also don't ignore it being a last resort for the protection of freedom.

 

[Batter Up]

Didn't watch but those wenches on The View sound like complete idiots whenever they try to speak on political issues.


They had Carly Fiorina's crazy ass on there a while back to try and ambush her and somehow she came across sounding like the only level headed adult on the show.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

1st - The combined population of the 3 countries/continent that you named combined population is around 50% of the US

Try to use some common sense. The combined population of the country being a factor of TWO different doesn't have anything to do with the cop killings being a factor of ONE HUNDRED different.

2nd - Germany's law enforcement is probably one of the most regulated in the world. Nazi backlash
3rd - Most of UK cops don't carry guns.
4th - Australia might not shoot that many people, but trust, they have their own policing issues

I don't think you're realizing how much you're feeding my argument here.

Of course other countries have their own policing issues. Yet they still don't kill people. Why do you think that is?

Of course most UK cops don't carry guns. That's a GOOD thing, and a product of their society's overall lower reliance on guns. Do you think they'd stay not carrying guns if the cilivian population was as gun-crazy as they are in America?

And the UK police force does have special gun units. In the last year I saw numbers for, the gun-units in England responded to 12,000 incidents and fired three bullets...total. So no, "most of UK cops don't carry guns" isn't the whole answer.

The powers that be don't care if you have guns or not; recent history shows us this. Native Americans, slaves, victims of the Holocaust, and Mao Tse-tung had no gun obsession. I don't think that violence is the only tool that we have to defend ourselves, but I also don't ignore it being a last resort for the protection of freedom.

You pulling some wack unrelated examples out of your ass. Native Americans, slavery, Holocaust, and Mao are "recent history", and have shyt to do with life in a 21st-century democracy?

Yes, tyranny has existed without guns.

However, a violence-hungry population which is obsessed with guns to "protect" itself will bring more tryanny on itself, not less.

There were plenty of Native American groups that got armed and fought back. How'd that go for them? There was armed Jewish resistance. Tell me again how that worked out? And Mao fought his way to power with a lot of people shooting back....didn't seem to reduce his power in the slightest.

How did all that work out in Paris?

I bet those people wished they weren't just harmless targets.

I bet they wish they would of had a way to fight back and defend themselves.

Compare a coordinated terrorist attack that happens once in a blue moon in France to thousands of people getting killed every year in daily life brehs.

To stop a terrorist attack that MIGHT happen once a year, you're going to have ten million people carrying guns every day? And that's not going to lead to WAY more people dying on the daily? Because unless millions of people are carrying guns, how you going to guarentee someone with a gun is there in that unexpected moment that the terrorist attack hits?

Yeah, I'm sure that the pistol in someone's back pocket is really going to scare a suicide bomber.

Or someone is going to pull out their little pistol that they took to their night at the concert and take out a coordinated attack from multiple guys with Kalishnikovs. Just start firing in a crowded room with hundreds of people, hoping you don't hit anyone else while you're trying to dodge fire from multiple assault rifles and explosions, hoping you're a damn good shot with that little short-barreled pistol, right?

I mean, gun-happy American civilians just pull out their pistols and stop devoted terrorist attacks left and right, right?

In the UK, Germany, and Australia they have very strict gun laws, but you can still own a gun for various reasons.

I'm not anti-gun ownership. I've owned guns myself. I'm anti-gun obsession and gun violence. My guns don't make me safe, and they're not for shooting other human beings. I don't bring them into situations that are likely to be dangerous, because I know they are likely to make the situation more dangerous. I don't walk around quaking in constant fear like I need my little gun to be my security blanket.

The men who built this country were so aggressively violent and pissed so many other people off that they felt their only route to survival was constant killing or the threat of killing. And ya'all want to buy into that same culture.