Ralph Nader on minimum wage: "Has there ever been a bigger con man in the WH"?

[thekingsmen]

His book slandered cars that were just as safe as any other car, and placed the auto industry under undeserving scrutiny, as if it was a good business model to have people dying driving your cars, and auto makers weren't interested in the safety of consumers.


It was all

and excepted without evidence.

Obviously you never read up on the history of vehicles. Mad people died in the early years of cars and continued because they were unsafe with no real oversight.

 

[DEAD7]

Not sure how this became about cars and not Nader, but I'll play ball.




Businesses don't need regulation to make them safe. If people stopped buying cars because they were not safe, do you think the auto industry would just saw "awww shucks" and pack it up? No, they would make the cars safe themselves, at no expense to the taxpayer.


If their product kills people, people will not by it.

What Nader did, was have the government go in(always a bad thing) and begin dictating the safety guidelines. if you see this as a good thing, we just have different views on the role of government and will have to agree to disagree.

Resorting to government intervention is never going to go away because of emotional appeals like those you guys are displaying.

Spoiler

To my issue with Nader, the book was full of completely false information and out right lies that would have folded to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Spoiler

Research his book now and the retractions... you'll be surprised.

 

[DEAD7]

Vehicular deaths were also decreasing yearly during that time...

look it up

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

Vehicular deaths were also decreasing yearly during that time...

look it up

They're your points you cite them.

 

[FaTaL]

give us an example where he isn't on point. dude would be taken more seriously if he didn't look the way he does.

whats wrong with the way he looks?

 

[hayesc0]

you know what I cant stand about people like nader they are always looking for the outside talking shyt about what they would do take your bum ass the fukk on don't agree with president obama on everything but im tired of people talking slick about our president like its nothing

 

[No1]

So I just listened to this, and Nader just said some general nothing. The usual I can say pretty words when I'm on the outside, but know damn well things aren't that simple shyt. But I won't even talk about that. I'm going to talk about his "it's their moral courage and fire in their belly is more important than cognitive ability" when voting for a candidate. We just had George W. Bush who was just like that. Ronald Reagan was just like that. I don't need to say more...

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

So I just listened to this, and Nader just said some general nothing. The usual I can say pretty words when I'm on the outside, but know damn well things aren't that simple shyt. But I won't even talk about that. I'm going to talk about his "it's their moral courage and fire in their belly is more important than cognitive ability" when voting for a candidate. We just had George W. Bush who was just like that. Ronald Reagan was just like that. I don't need to say more...

No they weren't. You're mischaracterizing his statement. Ralph Nader wasn't talking about using gut instinct over cerebralness in decision-making when he talked about moral courage and "fire in the belly."

 

[No1]

No they weren't. You're mischaracterizing his statement. Ralph Nader wasn't talking about using gut instinct over cerebralness in decision-making when he talked about moral courage and "fire in the belly."

I'm not mischaracterizing anything, neither am I mistaking anything. You're extrapolating your own opinions onto my words, and saying that Bush and Reagan lacked moral courage and fire in their belly just because you disagree with their convictions. Those two guys are the definition of sticking to your guns and fighting for it no matter what. The point is simple, neither intelligence nor moral courage are more important than the other. A good politician needs both and luck to be able to do something with it. Otherwise, you just end up as a frustrated idealist.

 

[the cac mamba]

It was all

and excepted without evidence. [/COLOR]

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'm not mischaracterizing anything, neither am I mistaking anything. You're extrapolating your own opinions onto my words, and saying that Bush and Reagan lacked moral courage and fire in their belly just because you disagree with their convictions. Those two guys are the definition of sticking to your guns and fighting for it no matter what. The point is simple, neither intelligence nor moral courage are more important than the other. A good politician needs both and luck to be able to do something with it. Otherwise, you just end up as a frustrated idealist.

Yes you are indeed mischaracterizing his statement, and you're proving it once more with this response. You're talking about Reagan and Bush "sticking to their guns." Well that's not what Nader is talking about. "Fire in the belly" he's obviously talking about passion. Moral courage he's obviously defining in line with what he perceives proper morals to be: policy geared toward providing a way for the have-nots and consumers, etc.

Reagan and Bush being stubborn and obstinate, "sticking to their guns" and going with their gut over empiricism and logic has nothing to do with any of that. It exemplifies neither passion nor "moral courage" as he would define it.

 

[thekingsmen]

So I just listened to this, and Nader just said some general nothing. The usual I can say pretty words when I'm on the outside, but know damn well things aren't that simple shyt. But I won't even talk about that. I'm going to talk about his "it's their moral courage and fire in their belly is more important than cognitive ability" when voting for a candidate. We just had George W. Bush who was just like that. Ronald Reagan was just like that. I don't need to say more...

Obama Fan I can tell cause anything that poses real issues and opposition speaks nothing.