Race In Boxing Article: B-Hop Talks Kovalev :mjpls:

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Why are Hopkins and Jackson saying since Kovalev is foreign he doesn't understand the connotation of depicting a Black man as an ape, European soccer fans have been chanting monkey sounds and throwing bananas at Black players for ages, they know the meaning and that that boolshyt is racist. That ain't unique to America at all.


True. To be fair though, we're talking about Russia in this instant, Eurasia, and that region has always been viewed as suspiciously "white". They're not Aryan, and their Black population pales in comparison to the Black populations in Europe. Africans, and, Afro-Americans are not that high on their radar. Case in point, Russia has the highest population of neo nazi skinheads in the world, and obviously white nationalist types are present. However, their xenophobia is expressed through anti-semitism and anti-Muslim sentiments and actions, and not the stereotypical depiction of Black Americans. Thats not to say they love us, but Black Americans arent high up on their radar, if even at all.

Now when we talk skins and nationalists, we're talking extremes. That said, if we're talking about the average Russian which I think we can all agree would be the umbrella Sergey Kovalev falls under, I'm thinking any bias they have against Black Americans is largely benign. Especially with what seems like another cold war brewing. Kovalev might be white, but he's still Russian, and not that far removed from being a n!gger himself in a white American's eyes, which I'm sure he and his team are all aware of, at least the cold war divide. Take that along with speaking of Ward admirably last night, and his praise of Hopkins, and I'd gamble he's not a st0rmfr0nt type. Naw, he's more on par with......Buffalo, NY, or Pennsylvania Democrats, and thats a nuanced depiction of racasim.

As far as Hopkins, he's older now, and come into some paper working for and not with Golden Boy. Heavy emphasis on working for GB so we're clear. He has to play the game. Thats not to say he isnt sincere either as his comments on Trinidad and Calzaghe sounded sincere. Plus, any talk on racism does include self hatred, which includes Black on Black violence. Does it play into white supremacist talking points? Of course. Is it still valid to discuss in the large scheme of things? I think so. Only beef I have when bringing up Black on Black crime is the half stepped approach Blacks take when doing so which invites accusations of c00ning. That said, Hopkins bringing up killing one another is both flawed and necessary IMO when it comes to these discussions.
 

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Funny part is that Kovalev's own countryman who is non-Black (Beibut Shumenov) even said he's a racist.

Yet we have fans and members of the boxing community that swear up and down that he isn't :mjlol: :aicmon:



He's also a rival breh. Of course he's gonna say whatever to fukk with their team.
 

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He's also a rival breh. Of course he's gonna say whatever to fukk with their team.
Nah, not really. If we were talking about Beterbiev, I'd agree with you. But Shumenov said himself that he's cool with Kovalev. They're paths have never crossed either, plus they're not even in the same division.

Plus it's all about context. Shumenov was responding to a question he was asked about possible derogatory comments Kovalev made about Blacks in a Russian interview. Which makes sense, since they both speak the language. And Shumenov confirmed that his comments were indeed racist. There was no misinterpretation or lost in Russian-to-English translation. It was flat out racist.

So if Kovalev's fellow countryman, who speaks the same language, and isnt even Black, says he's racist then I don't know why we're still arguing against it
 
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Nah, not really. If we were talking about Beterbiev, I'd agree with you. But Shumenov said himself that he's cool with Kovalev. They're paths have never crossed either, plus they're not even in the same division.

Plus it's all about context. Shumenov was responding to a question he was asked about possible derogatory comments Kovalev made about Blacks in a Russian interview. Which makes sense, since they both speak the language. And Shumenov confirmed that his comments were indeed racist. There was no misinterpretation or lost in Russian-to-English translation. It was flat out racist.

So if Kovalev's fellow countryman, who speaks the same language,band isnt even Black, says he's racist then I don't know why we're still arguing against it


Beterbiev, Beibut, sh!t gets confusing. I see your point though.
 

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Not you Hop.....not YEW!!

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Finally read this :snoop:

He gonna make me put SOG in my top spot :francis:

I want(ed) to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he had chances to clarify his statements throughout this report. He straight up addressed the elephant in the room,but then proceeded to tap dance around the whole subject and give Kov an out by bringing up Ali and Frazier (totally different) and Black on Black crime, bottom line, Kov shouldn't have gotten a pass for the gorilla face incident. Nope. In his day and age no one is ignorant to race and the lines to not cross. Hop dropped truth but he dropped the ball on Kov.
 
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For Hopkins, more important issues are in play.

“What bothers me, in all seriousness, and I’ve spoken openly about it: Blacks in this country can blow each other’s brains out over nothing, but let someone else do it that’s not the same color [and] they want to march 30 blocks, form all of these groups and holler and scream in front of the cameras and give great speeches,” he said. “When it’s over, they all go back to their lives. We know there’s going to be another killing. We have to stop killing each other. Kids, black kids, are being killed out here and that’s real. It doesn’t matter who’s killing them. What matters is that they’re being killed.

“I still think certain people get away with certain things because of color,” Hopkins added. “The fact is we need to talk more to each other. That’s what’s missing, unfortunately; and both races feel the same way. Everyone is prejudice and jealous. That’s what it’s really all about.”

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That's the easiest, lamest cop out, ever. "Buh buh buh but what about black on black crime?"

The black community has NEVER swept black on black crime under the rug. That's the media who chooses not to make it a story when we rally against it.
 
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