Quick explanation vol. "record company buyin their own ****"

[Ineedmoney504]

nikka believe anything, nikkaz really think record companies gon lose millions buying albums to make a artist look good,

 

[Hussein Fonzarelli]

Its not ass backwards, they cant LIE because they dont control the 3rd party companies (billboard, RIAA, Nielsen) that verifies their numbers. Therefore they use other tactics such as buying records and rescanning them.

cmon doggie we know goverment will lie to your face about your own god damned name and you'll be like



after 13 seconds of their Talk



you really think they play fair and "wait for nielsen numbas"

cmon mayne.

 

[L&HH]

nikka believe anything, nikkaz really think record companies gon lose millions buying albums to make a artist look good,

Did you not watch The Master P interiew just posted. The people on the panel admitted that they and other people in the label would go to the store buy an album, goto another store get it rescanned (how exactly they got store approval idk) and buy it again. Basically they would scan and rescan the same copy multiply times. Nielsen collects its numbers from the registers of 10s of thousands retail stores. The label wouldnt lose millions because as also stated in the video, it comes directly out of the artists pockets. Every dollar the label uses to promote, represent, etc is recouped by the artist.

 

[L&HH]

cmon doggie we know goverment will lie to your face about your own god damned name and you'll be like



after 13 seconds of their Talk



you really think they play fair and "wait for nielsen numbas"

cmon mayne.

Yes the givt will lie to you but what the RIAA and Soundscan get in return for lying for Universal. The only thing they'd want is money so why would the record label pay the 3rd party to lie when they can take that money and just buy the album themselves and somehow reflip the albums or use the ones they bought for promotion purposes. It cuts out the middleman, no need to pay RIAA and Nielsen to falsify numbers (probably illegal btw) when they can do it themselves.

 

[MewTwo]

Did you not watch The Master P interiew just posted. The people on the panel admitted that they and other people in the label would go to the store buy an album, goto another store get it rescanned (how exactly they got store approval idk) and buy it again. Basically they would scan and rescan the same copy multiply times. Nielsen collects its numbers from the registers of 10s of thousands retail stores. The label wouldnt lose millions because as also stated in the video, it comes directly out of the artists pockets. Every dollar the label uses to promote, represent, etc is recouped by the artist.

Just ignore these kids. They're dumb as fukk. They're the idiots that make up the bulk of society and are easily brainwashed by mainstream media. They're followers not leaders and are easily swayed by what's popular like: Buying a rapper's albums (that they vehemently hate) only because SoundScan said they sold 300-500k.

These are the kids Master P/Diddy/Baby/Jay love to target.

 

[BAMBINO]

Delete, already posted.

 

[L&HH]

Just ignore these kids. They're dumb as fukk. They're the idiots that make up the bulk of society and are easily brainwashed by mainstream media. They're followers not leaders and are easily swayed by what's popular like: Buying a rapper's albums (that they vehemently hate) only because SoundScan said they sold 300-500k.

These are the kids Master P/Diddy/Baby/Jay love to target.

Im saying tho. How you goin come in here making a fool of yourself. At least read the first 6 posts in the thread before making an ass out of yourself.

 

[L. Deezy]

Did you not watch The Master P interiew just posted. The people on the panel admitted that they and other people in the label would go to the store buy an album, goto another store get it rescanned (how exactly they got store approval idk) and buy it again. Basically they would scan and rescan the same copy multiply times. Nielsen collects its numbers from the registers of 10s of thousands retail stores. The label wouldnt lose millions because as also stated in the video, it comes directly out of the artists pockets. Every dollar the label uses to promote, represent, etc is recouped by the artist.

I get what she said.. but my question is, how many copies did she buy and rescan? seems like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much work and not enuff rescans to even make a real difference.

And since record stores dont really exist, its damn near impossible to do NOW. Best Buy is gonna let execs walk in and scan away? Its possible they could do that at some stores but logically?? I cant see it. And Im talking about today where basically record stores dont exist as opposed to when rap sales back in the day were pumpin

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Impression > Reality

You get more for tours, endorsement, media coverage if you are perceived to be a high artist in demand (big record sales) ..... then obviously people start buying your shyt.

Understand the sentiment, but I think it's being wildly overblown....logically, how many added sales do you think it takes to TRULY make any kind of actual difference in impression and perception in an artist? 10k units sold, 20k?, 50K?, 100K? 200K? 350K? What are the logistics involved in buying those numbers of records? Mind you, you're looking at a $6-$8 loss for every album bought and resold to retailer at wholesale price... The clip posted in this thread is some ex-A&R talking about walking into a record store, buying an album out of her pocket, and giving it to another store to scan... that type of shyt ain't moving the needle on anybody's first week sales and changing an artist's "impression"...labels could have everybody in the building do that and maybe pick up a couple 500 scans...and people see and that are all lol

The whole "perceived popularity helps drive actual popularity" has some merits, but not on the scale that could ever be realistically affected by labels "buying albums"...just isn't financially plausible

 

[L. Deezy]

Understand the sentiment, but I think it's being wildly overblown....logically, how many added sales do you think it takes to TRULY make any kind of actual difference in impression and perception in an artist? 10k units sold, 20k?, 50K?, 100K? 200K? 350K? What are the logistics involved in buying those numbers of records? Mind you, you're looking at a $6-$8 loss for every album bought and resold to retailer at wholesale price... The clip posted in this thread is some ex-A&R talking about walking into a record store, buying an album out of her pocket, and giving it to another store to scan... that type of shyt ain't moving the needle on anybody's first week sales and changing an artist's "impression"...labels could have everybody in the building do that and maybe pick up a couple 500 scans...and people see and that are all lol

I agree totally

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Just ignore these kids. They're dumb as fukk. They're the idiots that make up the bulk of society and are easily brainwashed by mainstream media. They're followers not leaders and are easily swayed by what's popular like: Buying a rapper's albums (that they vehemently hate) only because SoundScan said they sold 300-500k.

These are the kids Master P/Diddy/Baby/Jay love to target.

what im trying to find who is dumb enough to do some shyt like this, first of all black people aint buying these albums anyway, i dont anyone knw personally who brought a cd in over 6-7 years(outside of me, brought "cole world" off itunes), i sell a bunch of cds everyday and why would the record label do it if they see its no working, these dudes selling 200k in a week and next week its down to 40k, so who is buying these albums cause they sold ok in the first week

 

[L&HH]

I get what she said.. but my question is, how many copies did she buy and rescan? seems like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much work and not enuff rescans to even make a real difference.

And since record stores dont really exist, its damn near impossible to do NOW. Best Buy is gonna let execs walk in and scan away? Its possible they could do that at some stores but logically?? I cant see it. And Im talking about today where basically record stores dont exist as opposed to when rap sales back in the day were pumpin

You're right thats why in my post I included how I didnt know exactly how it worked. And you're that whatever they did back then probably isnt being used today, hopefully they came up with something more efficient. But why wouldnt Best Buy let execs do this, best buy aint losing money in fact their gaining money if they repay for an album that doesnt come out of best buy's inventory thats +$15 in Best Buys pockets and they didnt have to sell any merch.

Understand the sentiment, but I think it's being wildly overblown....logically, how many added sales do you think it takes to TRULY make any kind of actual difference in impression and perception in an artist? 10k units sold, 20k?, 50K?, 100K? 200K? 350K? What are the logistics involved in buying those numbers of records? Mind you, you're looking at a $6-$8 loss for every album bought and resold to retailer at wholesale price... The clip posted in this thread is some ex-A&R talking about walking into a record store, buying an album out of her pocket, and giving it to another store to scan... that type of shyt ain't moving the needle on anybody's first week sales and changing an artist's "impression"...labels could have everybody in the building do that and maybe pick up a couple 500 scans...and people see and that are all lol

You're right we dont know necessarily what kind of scale this was done too. Im actually about how it works out myself. But you cant deny the practice when it came right out of the horses mouth.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

You're right thats why in my post I included how I didnt know exactly how it worked. And you're that whatever they did back then probably isnt being used today, hopefully they came up with something more efficient. But why wouldnt Best Buy let execs do this, best buy aint losing money in fact their gaining money if they repay for an album that doesnt come out of best buy's inventory thats +$15 in Best Buys pockets and they didnt have to sell any merch.



You're right we dont know necessarily what kind of scale this was done too. Im actually about how it works out myself. But you cant deny the practice when it came right out of the horses mouth.

Thing is...what she's describing, her and the other dozen or so people working an album walking in buying albums and selling them back for gains in the first week so marginal its considerably less than the stan "I'm gonna buy multiple copies just because" effect, and little more than sentimental "i hope this project does really good"....and what people on the internet turn it into, some vast multimillion dollar label conspiracy to covertly buy hundreds of thousands of albums to significantly alter soundscan numbers...are nowhere near the same thing...the small fry reality of what she's talking about, is not what people have in mind in these threads or when they're accusing labels of "buying albums"

It just plainly, doesn't make any real sense....not for some abstract ambiguous "if people see the artist is selling x amount of albums more than they would have if we didn't waste millions of dollars trumping up the figures...they may at some point in the future be influenced to buy it at a later date" dream that they have no way of ever actually substantiating...only way I could see it ever making sense, logically...is if they're in a race for #1 on the charts and the projections are showing that the difference between 1 and 2 is marginal amount like a thousand units scanned...

 

[Kaydigi]

Ass backwards logic


Explain it;


Why would they actually BUY? Wouldn't it be easier to LIE? Cmon brehs......get your mind ->