Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[storyteller]

2 seasons ago, players shot only 1% below their average. Last season, they shot 1.7 above their average, and this season they're shooting 1.4% above their average. Average rebounder. Good shooter (Rondo shoots 47% for his career and 45% now). In light of this, 18 mill for him seems like a waste of cap room. I'd rather give that kind of change to Rondo for passing, defense (he's a much better defender than he looks this season, which is still better than Conley looks defensively this season), rebounding, and scoring. People say he can't shoot, but he shoots better than Conley and I think his fg% would increase even more in the Triangle because he's a penetrating pg that is a threat to finish. What is your take on this?

That's a fair debate, both bring different values to a team and my choice would come down to what contract they're each willing to take. If Conley wants the max, Rondo all the way but if Rondo wants a long term deal for a big chunk of money, I may not want to risk that either. Comparing them as shooters, Rondo is a better shooter close and Conley wins as you go further out. Rondo is lights out within 10 feet but falls off pretty badly after that point. Conley's percentages from 10 feet and further really have a nice edge (basketball reference has shooting numbers that you can use to spot check and compare both frequency and accuracy from different distances). The other questions for Rondo come down to attitude, which I don't have a problem with but a lot of people do (he really did quit on the Mavs mid playoff series last year) and durability. Conley hasn't played less than 2000 minutes in a season since his rookie year, Rondo had been under 2000 minutes in a season for the three seasons prior to last and barely made it above that last season (2018 minutes).

So those are the main concerns with Rondo. But I would DEFINITELY prefer Rondo for the right contract. It would have to be short term because of the durability issues and it would have to be reasonable. So Rondo at 2 years for 11 million a season would be a pretty cool place holder while Grant develops and find a long term guy. Now if his price creeps high and he wants more year, I probably take my chances giving Conley more dough since he's more reliably healthy and shoots better from range. Rondo brings an intensity and IQ that I REALLY like for our locker room (as opposed to people who think he's too combustible). I just wouldn't want to tie up long term cash on him because of his previous injuries and lack of quality ranged shooting. Conley for 3 or 4 at 18 million is a preferred option for me to Rondo for the same span at 15...but Rondo for 11 or 12 million a couple of years is a better investment than anything I could see Conley accepting.

 

[Big Blue]

Matt Barnes is the lamest dude in the NBA right now.

That's you ex-fukking-wife.

Fisher's your boy? Okay, he shouldn't have smashed butt o try to fight him over an ex? FOH.

The both of you are NBA players...and he's a "snitch"? Stop watching Belly over and over breh.

In response to the future, he says, "When I retire, we'll cross paths again." Take your fukking L and move on. Wow.

It's not even that he's mad about. Ok, you're human, and humans catch feelings. But him making this shyt so public is embarrassing and bytch made.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Yea, the shoes are cold, but the socks are anemic:

Never realized his noggin was so big

 

[Ironman]

Feels like I haven't seen a game in forever

 

[Victim of Racism]

Feels like I haven't seen a game in forever

Yea, I sorely miss them too. Hopefully NY blows Memphis out. Barnes' whining is leaning on my nerves at this point. He's acting suicidal and in need of therapy or attention. He was doing the same thing to Doc when he got to Memphis.

 

[Victim of Racism]

I don't like that they aren't probable. Looks like a game time decision thing:

 

[storyteller]

I don't like that they aren't probable. Looks like a game time decision thing:

That is terrifying!

 

[seemorecizzy]

Matt Barnes is the lamest dude in the NBA right now.

That's you ex-fukking-wife.

Fisher's your boy? Okay, he shouldn't have smashed butt o try to fight him over an ex? FOH.

The both of you are NBA players...and he's a "snitch"? Stop watching Belly over and over breh.

In response to the future, he says, "When I retire, we'll cross paths again." Take your fukking L and move on. Wow.

if one of your homies smashed your ex wife behind your back, you wouldn't whip his ass
its not even about the woman at this point

and yes, he snitched to the nba and cost him 40 gs on top of all that
i'm sorry, as a man...(basketball a-side) i can't co-sign this hoe-ish behaviour

mayb hes overtalking a little bit on the subject but that's cause he has nothing to hide and hes probably Pissed over how everything went down
Fish quiet as a church mouse in the public but running his mouth like a faucet behind the scenes

 

[GhostoftheMan]

I don't like that they aren't probable. Looks like a game time decision thing:

 

[DPresidential]

if one of your homies smashed your ex wife behind your back, you wouldn't whip his ass
its not even about the woman at this point

and yes, he snitched to the nba and cost him 40 gs on top of all that
i'm sorry, as a man...(basketball a-side) i can't co-sign this hoe-ish behaviour

mayb hes overtalking a little bit on the subject but that's cause he has nothing to hide and hes probably Pissed over how everything went down
Fish quiet as a church mouse in the public but running his mouth like a faucet behind the scenes

Breh, I'm a grown man.

A regular grown man. Not a celebrity with video vixen ex wives.

If my EX, whom I met during my celebrity privilege, left me... I'm probably expecting her to jump on the next celebrity dikk.

He took his L of putting himself in a position to get her pregnant.

So if one of my brehs smashed ..I would look at him on some bytch shyt too
Because it's a violation but...


To get furious ...

Get in my car...

DRIVE MILES...

Engage in a fight...

Keep talking about it...

Getting suspended...

And then continue talking about it and calling another player a snitch and saying I'm taking revenge when we retire?

F. O. H.

Edit:


Also, Fisher is quiet in public? Breh, he's a fukking coach of a professional basketball team.

fukk is he supposed to tell US what happened for? This isn't love and hiphop.

Expect a grown man to issue a back-to-back style rebuttal to Matt Barnes brehs...

 

[Victim of Racism]

That is terrifying!

'Melo's video interview on the injury: http://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/index.html?vid=2682050151

 

[Victim of Racism]

Let's not compare players at two different positions and skill sets is what I mean. KP arc and footwork is Chef Currys handles and off the dribble shot from behind the 3 point line is

Why is it ok to criticize certain players (anyone on the Celtics) and not others (Curry, KD, Lebron)? Why, as a Knicks fan, would it bother you that I'm not the least bit impressed with Curry? Why, as a Knicks fan does it bother you for someone to uplift KP over Curry?

 

[pimpineasy]

It's not like they have control of their 1st rounder this year anyway; might as well get some playoff experience for KP

true thats the counter argument that i will concede...........only caveat is that lets be clear we building towards championship long term .........i dont care how long it takes breh i want a NYK championship in this decade

 

[Derek Lee]

You gonna take that, Seraphin???
Kyle O'Quinn though

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

You gonna take that, Seraphin???
Kyle O'Quinn though