Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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@storyteller always comes with the nba breakdowns :wow:. Phil definitely needs to say something to Fish in regards to his rotations and give them some zen knowledge. When the threepeating Shaq Kobe era went through slumps he always helped them with his sage advice and style.:feedme: We have Cleveland on deck that is now fully healthy they can't come out lazy :beli:
 

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I didn't mind as much with Vucevic cooking RoLo even though Fish should've at least had KP guard him for a few minutes because he can move his feet on D better than Lopez. But it was the fact we couldn't defend the 3pt line at all last night. That's what killed us. Orlando had way too many open looks & took full advantage of it. We didn't switch as much which was good but guys needed to fight through screens more. Or the help defender needed to flash & cover the ball handler while the assigned defender gets caught back up to guard his man.
 

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If KP held his ground against Boogie, which is considered a top 3 center in the game, why not match him up with Vucevic :jbhmm:

Regardless, I aint even mad because soon as this cat puts in the weight, it's a wrap :aiporzingis:
 

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Knicks are getting better as a team as the season goes on, but in Orlando we saw a team who simply closed that game out on the road in a confident fashion. Knicks aren't there yet, getting better at closing games, but still a long way to closing games with the swagger and confidence Orlando closed us out, on the back end of a back to back, and on the road. My first time watching Orlando this year, and they have a nice core there for sure.
 

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Id like to see them run a few plays for Porzingis in the post....I hate seeing a 7 foot 3 guy posted at the 3 point line every trip down the floor...
kp forces himself into post position every once in a while and that fakkit calderon literally looks at kp and decides to swing the basketball the opposite direction to afflalo....and when afflalo gets the ball....he's shooting that bytch....:laff: afflalo passes less than melo
 

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Magic 107, Knicks 99: Scenes from the night Lance Thomas didn't get enough help


We have seen the Knicks fumble many a comeback over the years, but I really don't think we've ever seen them do it so many times in a game. On what felt like a dozen occasions, Lance Thomas took a cleaver to Orlando's lead, bringing the Knicks close. Lance's first-optionly dominance felt like hallucination, and yet each Lance play and its delirious response hit a swift end. Nikola Vucevic sashayed over and around Robin Lopez ... and everyone else he met. When Vucevic couldn't finish plays, Orlando found a wing to make something late in the clock. Or they found a cheap offensive rebound. Or the Knicks just bonered away a chance to strike.

Derek Fisher took an unusual shot, leaving Jerian Grant on the floor and keeping Kristaps Porzingis mostly off it, for his Knicks' final thrust. There was no final thrust, really.

Let's look at some things!

Lance.



Lance?!



LANCE.



How is this

How

There've been articles recently about Lance Thomas working very hard this summer, so shout out to hard work. Holy shyt, Lance Thomas. This dude envisions plays all the time, but never before this month have I seen him execute those plans with such poise.

Lance had a perfect 24 points on 9 shots, and Carmelo Anthony scored nicely, too, and the Knicks still just couldn't finish it. The spirit of Hakeem Olajuwon compelled Vucevic to keep them at distance, Lopez hanging to him for dear life.

Oh shyt I just realized what this felt like. It felt like a really long tennis game -- just ad and deuce going back and forth for half an hour. Bends-inducing turnarounds like these ...





... happened, and they happened, and they happened.

Over and over and over and over. Back and forth and back. Recap from Osborn coming up.
 

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AD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nikola vucevic or whatever his shytty last name is
we've seen kp battle against other centers(demarcus cousins)
at some point if you're watching someone getcooked repeatedly...you try something else to defend it...whether another 7 footer that can alter shots....or send double teams....derek fisher is a bum.
fukk outta here with bringing up anthony davis :laff:
that player is in another stratosphere

Nope. Davis only shoots 0.7% better from the field than Nikola. Nikola shoots 8.4% better from 3 than Davis. Nikola is a better rebounder than Davis (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). Nikola is a better passer than Davis (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). Davis is a better shot-blocker than Nikola (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). The stats say Davis is a better defender than Nikola (which, again, has nothing to do with him abusing KP), but the film shows that Davis doesn't guard anyone. He just roams for blocks. Nikola is a solid defender.

Davis is much smaller than Nikola. If he can't guard Davis, he can't guard Nikola. Where do you come up with this stuff? :dahell: Rolo guarded De'Marcus for most of the game and when KP guarded him for some of the game, he got abused by De'Marcus (not to mention being blown by, yammed on, and nearly knocked down smh). It was super-ugly. You forgot? :dahell: And this, while in foul trouble all game long. Fact is, KP can't guard anyone and he usually doesn't even try. He rarely guards anyone for a full game. He'll usually start off guarding someone for a couple of possessions (usually a weak player), then he'll switch off on a guard for a couple of possessions, then goes back to the rim to block shots. He's not a defender yet. He punked Okafor in Summer League, then got abused in Philly.

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NO CEILINGS

Most thought it’d take years—or at least many months—for 7-3 Knicks rookie Kristaps Porzingis to prove he has the ability to become an NBA star. Nope.

By Adam Figman
Portraits Tom Medvedich

It’s a weeknight in mid-November, not even three weeks into the NBA season, and just as the know-it-all talking heads predicted, Kristaps Porzingis is already getting boxed out and pushed around by tougher, hungrier competition.

This isn’t some muscly big man bodying the skinny Latvian out of the paint, though. Nor is it a chiseled vet outsmarting an inexperienced 20-year-old. Nope—young Kristaps is currently being outworked and outgunned by a scrappy 6-year-old with a high motor and even higher self-confidence.

“I wanna do it!” the kid yells, grabbing the crate of chocolate milk containers and sliding it in his direction.

“OK, you can give them out,” Porzingis says, calm and collected, even in defeat. He grins widely, as he does often these days. And why wouldn’t he? Things have been going pretty well.

We’re in Lodi, NJ, home of a Boys & Girls Club that’s playing host to a Thanksgiving dinner give-away hosted by Porzingis’ agent, and the Knicks rookie whom everyone seems to be talking about has no problem sliding to the side, allowing a local Jersey youngster to take possession of the crucial chocolate milk distribution duties. Of course, Porzingis has slightly bigger concerns at the moment, most of which revolve around finding his footing in a League whose reporters didn’t expect him to compete on any sort of high level for at least two, perhaps three or even four years.

Ha.

As of this writing, Porzingis is averaging 13.0 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.1 blocks and at least one or two “Whoa, that was dope as hell” plays per game. He’s had some off-nights, but he’s had a huge role in the Knicks’ semi-respectable start (they’re 14-15 at the moment, with a potential playoff appearance very much in play). Remember: this team finished 17-65 last season, and, Kristaps aside, didn’t add much more than role players who have largely disappointed thus far.

Porzingis has run off efforts of 29 points and 11 rebounds vs. the Hornets, 24 points, 14 rebounds and 7 blocks vs. the Rockets, 20 points and 14 rebounds vs. the Heat, plus a slew of other impressive double-doubles. A little more than a quarter into the season, he’s right there alongside No. 1 overall pick Karl-Anthony Towns as a Rookie of the Year favorite.

So, no: Kristaps Porzingis is not the new Nikoloz Tskitishvili. He’s not Maciej Lampe. Not Frederic Weis. Porzingis has already proven he’s different from the many foreign-born players who came to the States without the aptitude to navigate the ever-difficult NBA waters and settle in comfortably with one of its franchises, if they ever made it to the L in the first place.

The common thread that ties most (but certainly not all) of those guys is they began playing ball somewhat late, often simply because they were tall and saw the dollar signs available in hooping for a living.

For Porzingis, though, a genuine love of the sport prefaced his height and the obvious fact that he belonged on the court. Both of Kristaps’ parents were involved with the game—his dad (6-4), a bus driver, played semiprofessionally, while his mom (6-1) played on Latvian national youth teams—and a plastic hoop hung on his bedroom wall in Liepaja, Latvia, before he could stand up on his own. According to his older brother Martins, the second word he ever spoke was “ball”—the first was “mom”—and before he could string a full sentence together, he was wearing out that little rim. “As soon as [Kristaps] started to walk, he was already dunking the ball,” says Martins, who’s 10 years older than Kristaps.

“There was a bigger basketball hoop above the door,” Kristaps says. “[But] I was too small. I couldn’t score on that one. And [my brothers] were playing HORSE on that one. Until I grew, I was playing on the little hoop right next to it. That was my first memory of basketball.”

The Porzingis family house was situated just a short walk to the beach along the Baltic Sea. The boys would often train there; Janis, Kristaps’ other brother who is now 33, played professionally across Europe when Kristaps was a boy, but would be home four months a year to teach his little bro the game.

Kristaps had natural ability, and as a kid with access to the Internet ever since he was able to read, he soaked up American basketball culture—the game, sure, but also the music, the sneakers, the clothing. And yes, for a period of time, the cornrows, inspired by then-braided-up NBAers like Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. When he was little it was tough for him to watch NBA games on TV, but as he got older it became more of a possibility, and by 2010, a 13-year-old Kristaps was regularly waking up at 6 a.m. to watch the Kobe/Pau L.A. Lakers defend their champion status. “That was my team then, the Lakers,” he says now.

When we speak, it’s an off day a couple weeks after the charity event, and we’re sitting in the corner of the gym at the Knicks’ training facility in Tarrytown, NY, about a 20-minute drive north of Manhattan. Kristaps’ schedule for the day is relatively light—shootaround with the team, then a SLAM photo shoot, a Steiner Sports signing commitment, a massage and a drug test. (“One week is enough, right?” he jokes after mentioning that last item.)

With Janis as his inspiration and occasional tutor, Kristaps evolved from lanky kid with an awkward game to lanky kid with a smooth, versatile style of play. Janis, meanwhile, made tapes with NBA footage for Kristaps to devour and imparted Kristaps with the work ethic required of a professional athlete.

Kristaps would play 1-on-1 every year with his big brother when Janis would return home—over his 14-year pro career, the eldest Porzingis brother played in Latvia, Croatia, Lithuania, Austria, Sweden, Italy and Spain—which helped Janis track his baby bro’s progression. They started matching up when Kristaps was 16. “He had no chance,” Janis says. “I don’t think I gave him even one game.” Then when Kristaps was 17, it was close, but Janis remained the victor.

By the next go-around, with Kristaps at 18, it was a wrap. “I couldn’t do it anymore,” Janis says. “That was it. I couldn’t get enough space to shoot over him.” Kristaps sprouted up to 7-3, but with a mobility that continues to allow him to play the 4, making him a nightmare matchup not only for Janis, but, well, anyone.

Kristaps played youth ball for BK Liepajas Lauvus as a young teenager, then began his pro career in Spain for Baloncesto Sevilla in early 2012, an 18-year-old facing up against grown men. His numbers were low his first two years, but improved to 11 ppg and 4.6 rpg by 2014-15. During one of the first practices of that season, Kristaps’ American teammate Ben Woodside watched as he caught the ball in an iso situation, then performed a between-the-legs crossover into a step-back fadeaway that touched nothing but net. “I just sat there, and I’m like, ‘Coming from a 7-footer?’” Woodside says. “It was just eye-opening.”

One time, Woodside, a 5-11 guard, and Porzingis spent a practice trash-talking back and forth, a verbal battle that spilled into a post-practice 1-on-1 game. “I challenged him and what I like is that he didn’t back down,” Woodside says. “He was like, ‘Alright, yeah, let’s play.’ He doesn’t back down. He’s up for challenges.”

Woodside wound up with the victory. “You can’t beat the wily vet,” he says. Afterward, Porzingis reacted like any competitive, pissed off 19-year-old would: he kicked the ball into the stands.


(Let it be known, however, that Porzingis is as sweet off the court as he is unkind on it. During each of his Spanish team’s road trips, he’d purchase a souvenir in whatever city he visited, then gift the souvenir to Satu—an elderly lady employed by the team to do things like clean the locker room and take care of the players’ laundry—upon his return to Sevilla.)

Eventually the ’14-15 season ended, and what happened next is now common knowledge: the Draft night boos, the post-Draft confidence, the pre-season flashes, the regular-season highlights. And so, so much more. The nicknames: PorzingGod, Godzingis, Three 6 Latvia, Young Taps. The endorsements: BodyArmor, Delta Air Lines, Shifman Mattress. The media coverage: the Daily News declared “ZINGSANITY,” The New Yorker spoke with a bunch of Latvians about Kristaps’ rise, and we played our part, too, putting him on the cover of SLAM 195.

Phil Jackson called him “magical.” Kobe declared him “pretty damn good.” Dirk Nowitzki said, “He’s for real.”

Why? Because the guy has been killing it. He has legit three-point range; a wide-open jumper almost always becomes a bucket. He’s intense on the offensive boards, crashing in and slamming home put-back dunks over hopeless defenders that he’s become known for. His long arms and impossible length help him maintain relevance on defense, even without the strength or muscle mass of his older peers. And he moves nicely, too—at 7-3, there isn’t that gallop in his step that you see in some goofy, seemingly injury-prone big men. In one early-season game against the 76ers, he juked right around the relatively quick Nerlens Noel at the top of the key, then attacked the rim with abandon and slammed home a ferocious dunk.

For the second half of that Sixers game, I ditch the press box to go sit with some Knicks fan friends, all of whom spend the majority of the time marveling at their team’s newly bright future. “This kid is only 20 fukking years old,” one says early in the fourth quarter. “I know. He’s going to be so goddamn good,” another echoes.

I laugh, knowing I have a long cover story to write, one that will require a whole bunch of words but could really be summed up by that one stupid yet oh-so-true sentence, uttered right there by an average fan with a sub-average New York City vocabulary.

He’s going to be so goddamn good.

“If I miss this, you owe me nothing.”

During a break in the SLAM photo shoot, Kristaps and Martins are shooting around, throwing alley-oop passes to one another and firing up long, ridiculous jumpshots. Martins already owes Kristaps a 20-spot after he lost a bet made earlier in the day that he could dunk without a running start (he could not), and Kristaps is giving Martins a chance to even things up by offering double or nothing on a jumper the rookie is about to toss up some 40 feet from the hoop.

Watching Kristaps and Martins mess around, it’s easy to remember just how young Kristaps is. He’s 20, and though he’s a mature 20—he’s avoided all negative headlines and the many social distractions of New York City by spending the majority of his time with his two brothers and parents in Westchester—he’s still just 20. “Even when he was a kid, he was a little more [mature] than everybody else,” Janis says. “He’s always been calm in that sense.”

But you can tell he’s still so young, mostly by the child-like energy he exudes when he’s just being himself. One minute he can barely remain seated while he rants about how much he loves a specific sushi restaurant back in Sevilla, the next he’s joking “Let’s get this money!” with one of his agent’s employees. Credit his fondness for WorldStarHipHop or just the general knack he has for understanding the intricacies of multiple cultures—further proven by the fact that he speaks Latvian, Spanish and English with perfect fluency—but his sense of humor and culturual sensibility is completely in tune with today’s American youth. He listens to Meek Mill in his car, Future and Drake before games, and Bob Marley as he dozes off on the many flights he takes across the country.

He also seems to get along plenty well with his teammates—after one December game, forward Kevin Seraphin refers to Kristaps as his “brother from another mother, and another father”—though that could be a simple by-product of his strong play. And that play, while a surprise to everyone from pundits to Kristaps’ own brothers—who admittedly expected him to need a year or two before reaching this level—has not been shocking to his teammates whatsoever.

NYK guard Langston Galloway played pick-up ball with Kristaps and a bunch of other Knicks shortly after the Latvian was drafted and says he knew what was up as soon as the group got together early in the summer. “He ran off like 10 [points] straight, and I was like, 'This is for real, this ain’t no joke,'” Galloway says before a recent Knicks game. “Soon as he got drafted, we knew he was gonna be a baller. He just made it look easy.”

Cleanthony Early, standing at his locker a few feet away from Galloway, chuckles as he listens to his teammate speak. “For real,” he says with a nod.

“I have my own goals and what I want to achieve, but for me, No. 1 is always team,” Kristaps says back at the training facility. “We want to do something special here in the future. We want to win a Championship here. That’s the No. 1 goal.”

It’s obviously a lofty goal, one that’ll take plenty of time and require all sorts of breaks in the right direction. Who knows, though—maybe Kristaps Porzingis will be the guy to one day end the long-time suffering of Knicks fans with a Championship run and a celebratory parade down Broadway.

But first, before any of that, here in Tarrytown on this December afternoon, a double-or-nothing wager needs to be settled.

“OK, deal,” Martins declares. KP nods, takes one dribble, and launches up a flat-footed J without so much as a tiny leap into the air. He’s already cracking a smile by the time the ball begins to descend toward the hoop.


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Did Zema really try to shyt on KP for his defensive effort against Anthony Davis???? :deadrose:

No. Are you really caping again? I said he's not a defender yet. People were screaming for him to defend a bigger Nikola, but he can't even guard scrawny Davis. KP is my dude, but he wasn't the answer for Nikola, just like he wasn't for Cousins. Lou would have been much better than KP.

If I wanted to dump on KP, I would. I like him. If you can't even handle gentle observation and critique, you don't wanna provoke me to go in. I'm trying not to talk about him the way I talk about 'Melo, Arron, Lj, and other players because I've realized y'all can't handle it.

Y'all really need to chill on falsely accusing me of trashing him for the least little thing that I say about him that isn't worship. 'Melo got 20-pieced by Tobias last night and you didn't complain when I brought that up, did you?! I can say 'Melo and Arron were trash on defense, rebounding, or offense, but as soon as I use that strong language on KP, y'all get all sensitive and I'm trying to accommodate, so I suggest you fall back.
 
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Knicks are getting better as a team as the season goes on, but in Orlando we saw a team who simply closed that game out on the road in a confident fashion. Knicks aren't there yet, getting better at closing games, but still a long way to closing games with the swagger and confidence Orlando closed us out, on the back end of a back to back, and on the road. My first time watching Orlando this year, and they have a nice core there for sure.

Simple as that.
 

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Nope. Davis only shoots 0.7% better from the field than Nikola. Nikola shoots 8.4% better from 3 than Davis. Nikola is a better rebounder than Davis (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). Nikola is a better passer than Davis (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). Davis is a better shot-blocker than Nikola (which has nothing to do with him abusing KP). The stats say Davis is a better defender than Nikola (which, again, has nothing to do with him abusing KP), but the film shows that Davis doesn't guard anyone. He just roams for blocks. Nikola is a solid defender.

Davis is much smaller than Nikola. If he can't guard Davis, he can't guard Nikola. Where do you come up with this stuff? :dahell: Rolo guarded De'Marcus for most of the game and when KP guarded him for some of the game, he got abused by De'Marcus (not to mention being blown by, yammed on, and nearly knocked down smh). It was super-ugly. You forgot? :dahell: And this, while in foul trouble all game long. Fact is, KP can't guard anyone and he usually doesn't even try. He rarely guards anyone for a full game. He'll usually start off guarding someone for a couple of possessions (usually a weak player), then he'll switch off on a guard for a couple of possessions, then goes back to the rim to block shots. He's not a defender yet. He punked Okafor in Summer League, then got abused in Philly.

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not reading this post anthony davis is better than nikola vucevic
 

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kp forces himself into post position every once in a while and that fakkit calderon literally looks at kp and decides to swing the basketball the opposite direction to afflalo....and when afflalo gets the ball....he's shooting that bytch....:laff: afflalo passes less than melo

'Melo passes 12.7 times per minute that he has the ball. KD, only 11.3. Curry, only 10.4. Rondo, 9.8. Lj, only 9.2. Chuckbrook, only 6.6. So, having a lot of assists doesn't mean you're passing a ton. It just means you have shooters (only 4 players on the Kings shoot under 45%, 3 of which are normally great shooters who are shooting way below their average on the still very young season). 'Melo is 2nd on his team in assists (3.8 apg), Arron is 5th (1.8 apg), KP is 10th (1 apg). KP's made fg's are assisted most by (in order):

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You are truly brainwashed by the anti-Knick and by extension, the anti-'Melo propaganda.
 
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