Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Ironman]

Happy to hear we're healthy though been a long time since that happens.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

If only this could be announced every day

 

[KnickstapeCity]

We back, brehs

It's gonna be an exciting season

I just want to get in the playoffs this season

We got this :wow11:

And @Typical NY Fan, you should remove the poll from the thread already, breh. It's really annoying scrolling down every time.

 

[Miles Davis]

One week to go till we get this show on the road!

 

[Knicksman20]

One thing that the Knicks are missing? Veteran leadership


"Carmelo Anthony is laughing off those analysts and fans who are predicting another dismal campaign for the Knicks (say, approximately twenty wins). He knows they’ll be better than that, and rightfully so. He’s healthy once again, and Phil Jackson has finally given the forward the type of support he needs to lead this team in a competitive direction. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel.

But in turn, Anthony also acknowledged how celebrated (and obviously how successful) the Knicks’ 54-win team was back in 2012-13.

“Regardless of if I average 30 [points] and we win 30-something games, it will still be a down year all the way around. Nobody cares about that. Everybody goes back to the 54-win season when we had a good team and were winning and everybody gets the pub and the shine,” Anthony told the New York Post (October 20). “We’re going to be alright. I’m not concerned about myself at all.”

Just how much success New York has this coming season remains to be seen, but there’s one key element they are still missing, especially if they hope to recapture the magic from the 2012-13 season in the near future: veteran leadership.

Back then, the Knicks were able to surround Anthony with the likes of Jason Kidd, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, and Marcus Camby. And while such veterans didn’t necessarily meet expectations on the court, each one’s respective presence in the locker room undoubtedly helped set the tone. Not only did Anthony himself follow their lead and take their respective guidance to heart, but it also allowed him to just play his game and not necessarily be relied upon as that vocal leader a quality team desperately needs.

Fast-forward to the 2015-16 season, and Anthony is still not that guy. He’s said so himself. He’ll lead in his own way, but isn’t going to be very vocal. The forward has certainly matured, but that won’t change who he is.

[Carmelo’s] not the guy who’s going to stand up in the locker room and give this rah-rah speech and get the team to rally. That’s not who he is,” Anthony’s former Nuggets and Knicks teammate Chauncey Billups told SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog.com radio’s Anthony Donahue back in April. “You’ve got to find another guy to make speeches, and another guy to do most of the leading. [Carmelo’s] going to most of the time lead by example. He’s not going to be vocal, he’s not going to rock the boat.”

The only problem is, the Knicks didn’t go out and find that extra veteran to place alongside Anthony to be the guy he himself can lean on in the locker room. The team added Arron Afflalo, who has looked up to Anthony in the past. Robin Lopez can be a passionate anchor on the defensive end, but the 27-year-old doesn’t seem like the veteran-type who will take charge.

Anthony is this group’s centerpiece. By default, he’s obviously also someone they’ll all look to for guidance. He needs to sufficiently step up, regardless of whether or not he’s ready or if he’s normally accustomed to doing so. In going younger and somewhat building for the future, New York doesn’t really have anyone else who can fill that role.

It’s Anthony’s time to lead on and off the court. Regardless of how he goes about doing so, he needs to ensure his way results in more wins, and perhaps a potential playoff birth for this team, at the very least.

While Billups may have his doubts, perhaps Jackson and Derek Fisher are confident Anthony’s own way of leading will be enough, given how this team has been molded (without another real notable veteran) for the coming season.

 

[ZackMorris]

 

[storyteller]

One thing that the Knicks are missing? Veteran leadership


"Carmelo Anthony is laughing off those analysts and fans who are predicting another dismal campaign for the Knicks (say, approximately twenty wins). He knows they’ll be better than that, and rightfully so. He’s healthy once again, and Phil Jackson has finally given the forward the type of support he needs to lead this team in a competitive direction. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel.

But in turn, Anthony also acknowledged how celebrated (and obviously how successful) the Knicks’ 54-win team was back in 2012-13.

“Regardless of if I average 30 [points] and we win 30-something games, it will still be a down year all the way around. Nobody cares about that. Everybody goes back to the 54-win season when we had a good team and were winning and everybody gets the pub and the shine,” Anthony told the New York Post (October 20). “We’re going to be alright. I’m not concerned about myself at all.”

Just how much success New York has this coming season remains to be seen, but there’s one key element they are still missing, especially if they hope to recapture the magic from the 2012-13 season in the near future: veteran leadership.

Back then, the Knicks were able to surround Anthony with the likes of Jason Kidd, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, and Marcus Camby. And while such veterans didn’t necessarily meet expectations on the court, each one’s respective presence in the locker room undoubtedly helped set the tone. Not only did Anthony himself follow their lead and take their respective guidance to heart, but it also allowed him to just play his game and not necessarily be relied upon as that vocal leader a quality team desperately needs.

Fast-forward to the 2015-16 season, and Anthony is still not that guy. He’s said so himself. He’ll lead in his own way, but isn’t going to be very vocal. The forward has certainly matured, but that won’t change who he is.

[Carmelo’s] not the guy who’s going to stand up in the locker room and give this rah-rah speech and get the team to rally. That’s not who he is,” Anthony’s former Nuggets and Knicks teammate Chauncey Billups told SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog.com radio’s Anthony Donahue back in April. “You’ve got to find another guy to make speeches, and another guy to do most of the leading. [Carmelo’s] going to most of the time lead by example. He’s not going to be vocal, he’s not going to rock the boat.”

The only problem is, the Knicks didn’t go out and find that extra veteran to place alongside Anthony to be the guy he himself can lean on in the locker room. The team added Arron Afflalo, who has looked up to Anthony in the past. Robin Lopez can be a passionate anchor on the defensive end, but the 27-year-old doesn’t seem like the veteran-type who will take charge.

Anthony is this group’s centerpiece. By default, he’s obviously also someone they’ll all look to for guidance. He needs to sufficiently step up, regardless of whether or not he’s ready or if he’s normally accustomed to doing so. In going younger and somewhat building for the future, New York doesn’t really have anyone else who can fill that role.

It’s Anthony’s time to lead on and off the court. Regardless of how he goes about doing so, he needs to ensure his way results in more wins, and perhaps a potential playoff birth for this team, at the very least.

While Billups may have his doubts, perhaps Jackson and Derek Fisher are confident Anthony’s own way of leading will be enough, given how this team has been molded (without another real notable veteran) for the coming season.

They're sleeping on Calderon and Sasha's experience imo. I don't like Vujacic at all, but there has been a lot made of his attempts to be a leader (including high praise from Porzingas who called him a mentor). Calderon won't have high expectations on the court, but his presence and ability to protect possessions is going to be helpful. The same can be said of Afflalo, he comes in as a guy that looked up to Melo before but he also got forced into a leadership role with the Magic and has years under his belt. The Sheed personality ain't a vet, but in terms of that type of presence...KOQ has been reminding me of dude for a minute now. So I think there's veteran leadership in place. Add to that, Melo's behavior and comments have looked a lot more like a leader this offseason and I don't think the missing piece is veteran leadership at all. But that's just my opinion. We'll know more after the first 15 games or so which is murderer's row for a young team trying to find it's chemistry.

 

[Trip]

why the fukk is Dolan doing interviews with Isiah right now??

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

why the fukk is Dolan doing interviews with Isiah right now??

You wanna post the link breh?!

 

[GhostoftheMan]

:philha: is that the Tower?

 

[GhostoftheMan]

You wanna post the link breh?!

James L. Dolan, the chairman of Madison Square Garden, said in an interview with HBO Sports that he was surprised by the amount of public criticism he faced in May after hiring Isiah Thomas as president of the W.N.B.A.’s Liberty.

“Worse than I imagined,” Dolan said in a segment for “Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel,” which is scheduled to air Tuesday night.

Thomas’s return to the Garden was clouded by controversy stemming from his tenure as coach and president of the Knicks. In 2007, a federal jury ruled that Thomas had engaged in sexual discrimination against Anucha Browne, a former team executive who won an $11.5 million judgment against Madison Square Garden after she accused Thomas of harassment. Thomas left the Knicks in 2008.

Dolan, who owns the Knicks and the Liberty, has maintained a close relationship with Thomas, who was also interviewed by HBO. Eight years after the court ruling, both men expressed defiance.


When Gumbel asked Thomas whether he had harassed Browne, Thomas said, “Never happened.”

Dolan suggested that Browne had fabricated much of her testimony.

“I think a bunch of it, she did, yes,” Dolan said. “I was running a business, and she didn’t do very well in it, and she was real unhappy about that. And she decided to go get a lawyer.”


Browne, a vice president with the N.C.A.A., responded to the comments made by Dolan and Thomas via email.

“Dolan and Thomas continue to act as if the jury’s verdict is open to debate,” she said. “It is not. Had there been any question that the jury got it wrong, there was an opportunity to appeal. Having chosen not to, their attacks years later should be rejected as clearly delusional and a continuation of their contemptuous treatment of women.”


Browne added, “Anyone who is familiar with the trial will know that Dolan and Thomas were not believed by the jury, and they are not believable now.”


In his interview with HBO, Dolan said he had turned down a settlement with Browne — a decision that wound up costing the Garden millions after the jury ruled in her favor. “The fighter in me came out,” Dolan said. “I’m like: You know what? I’m not going to settle because that’s an admission of guilt and we’re not guilty.’ ”

As for his more recent reunion with Thomas, Dolan said he had considered shuttering the Liberty before bringing him aboard.

“When you looked at the overall landscape of the franchise and the league, it just looks like a never-ending pit of money that just keeps going out the door,” Dolan said.

In Thomas’s first season with the team, the Liberty advanced to the Eastern Conference finals before falling to the Indiana Fever.

“I didn’t think I would get a better person to do that job than him,” Dolan said of Thomas. “And he would draw attention to the team.”

 

[Trip]

You wanna post the link breh?!

He was on Real Sports last night -

 

[Rev]

One thing that the Knicks are missing? Veteran leadership


"Carmelo Anthony is laughing off those analysts and fans who are predicting another dismal campaign for the Knicks (say, approximately twenty wins). He knows they’ll be better than that, and rightfully so. He’s healthy once again, and Phil Jackson has finally given the forward the type of support he needs to lead this team in a competitive direction. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel.

But in turn, Anthony also acknowledged how celebrated (and obviously how successful) the Knicks’ 54-win team was back in 2012-13.

“Regardless of if I average 30 [points] and we win 30-something games, it will still be a down year all the way around. Nobody cares about that. Everybody goes back to the 54-win season when we had a good team and were winning and everybody gets the pub and the shine,” Anthony told the New York Post (October 20). “We’re going to be alright. I’m not concerned about myself at all.”

Just how much success New York has this coming season remains to be seen, but there’s one key element they are still missing, especially if they hope to recapture the magic from the 2012-13 season in the near future: veteran leadership.

Back then, the Knicks were able to surround Anthony with the likes of Jason Kidd, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, and Marcus Camby. And while such veterans didn’t necessarily meet expectations on the court, each one’s respective presence in the locker room undoubtedly helped set the tone. Not only did Anthony himself follow their lead and take their respective guidance to heart, but it also allowed him to just play his game and not necessarily be relied upon as that vocal leader a quality team desperately needs.

Fast-forward to the 2015-16 season, and Anthony is still not that guy. He’s said so himself. He’ll lead in his own way, but isn’t going to be very vocal. The forward has certainly matured, but that won’t change who he is.

[Carmelo’s] not the guy who’s going to stand up in the locker room and give this rah-rah speech and get the team to rally. That’s not who he is,” Anthony’s former Nuggets and Knicks teammate Chauncey Billups told SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog.com radio’s Anthony Donahue back in April. “You’ve got to find another guy to make speeches, and another guy to do most of the leading. [Carmelo’s] going to most of the time lead by example. He’s not going to be vocal, he’s not going to rock the boat.”

The only problem is, the Knicks didn’t go out and find that extra veteran to place alongside Anthony to be the guy he himself can lean on in the locker room. The team added Arron Afflalo, who has looked up to Anthony in the past. Robin Lopez can be a passionate anchor on the defensive end, but the 27-year-old doesn’t seem like the veteran-type who will take charge.

Anthony is this group’s centerpiece. By default, he’s obviously also someone they’ll all look to for guidance. He needs to sufficiently step up, regardless of whether or not he’s ready or if he’s normally accustomed to doing so. In going younger and somewhat building for the future, New York doesn’t really have anyone else who can fill that role.

It’s Anthony’s time to lead on and off the court. Regardless of how he goes about doing so, he needs to ensure his way results in more wins, and perhaps a potential playoff birth for this team, at the very least.

While Billups may have his doubts, perhaps Jackson and Derek Fisher are confident Anthony’s own way of leading will be enough, given how this team has been molded (without another real notable veteran) for the coming season.

He's 31....are we supposed to fill the roster with a bunch of dudes drafted prior to Melo in order to get this "leadership". It's such a lazy cop out...and i don't even like Melo like that.

i feel like there aren't even that many left anyway.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

:mjlol1:

 

[kurt]