Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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I knew the Nuggets would give away a big man cheap at some point, granted it's the Jan Brady of the bunch...but for two seconds Joffrey Lauvergne isn't a bad get. (I know we don't need him, just a random NBA thought because I wanted us to try for Nurkic before the offseason kicked off)
 

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I knew the Nuggets would give away a big man cheap at some point, granted it's the Jan Brady of the bunch...but for two seconds Joffrey Lauvergne isn't a bad get. (I know we don't need him, just a random NBA thought because I wanted us to try for Nurkic before the offseason kicked off)


Nurkic was for SURE the guy to try to steal.
 

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It's been fun to really break down Derrick Rose the player since the Knicks acquired the former NBA MVP in June just prior to free agency. It's clear that he has fans marking their respective calendars in great anticipation for Oct. 25 in Cleveland.

The numbers don't support Rose as a "willing passer," a term that has taken meaning in the NBA replacing "ball hog," but when you dig a little deeper the highlights suggest that Rose is willing to find the open man. Plugging him in the "modern triangle" that the Knicks will be implementing under Jeff Hornacek could create more passing opportunities.




Since his 2011 MVP season, Rose has only averaged over seven assists per game once, and that was in just 39 games before his devastating knee injury in 2012. Since then he's been much more reliant on scoring and in the 121 games following his major surgery Rose has never averaged more than 5.9 assists per 36 minutes according to Basketball-Reference.com.

I'm not sure I'm buying the idea that Rose is a ball hog as much as he's not willing to pass to players who aren't great shooters. Why pass to below average three point shooters when you can explode to the basket to try to make a play? I think that's been the same thinking Carmelo Anthony has had over the past few seasons in New York. To be fair, that's a superstar's mentality. Of all the people I've talked to in and around the NBA regarding Rose, there seems to be one common theme surrounding him: stubbornness.

"It's far less about his physical abilities. From what I've seen he's pretty close to being the guy with the explosiveness of 2011," one NBA scout recently told me. "He's just not any good off the ball and when he gets it he feels like he has to attack. When defenses adjust he stubbornly sticks with it. He has to move it."

Moving the ball is much easier when you have confidence players will make open shots. Rose has had little issue passing the ball to the likes of Mike Dunleavy over the years. This is exactly where the Knicks season lies in the balance and why Rose's future is still very much uncertain. When you look at the Knicks roster it's filled with players who are adept at being effective without the ball, Anthony aside. Courtney Lee, Kristaps Porzingis, Lance Thomas and Joakim Noah all can be effective, efficient and productive without the basketball and they are very capable with it.

How Rose manages touches for Anthony will be critical as to how quickly he gets up to speed with the offensive philosophy, which will be predicated on pushing the ball in transition for early scoring attempts followed by secondary half court sets.

This bodes well for Porzingis in particular, who you'd expect to play a ton of pick-and-roll with Rose in those secondary situations and if Pau Gasol's effectiveness is any indicator then Porzinigis should get a ton of open looks. In 2015-16 Rose assisted on 100 of Gasol's 319 assisted made Field Goals and the vast majority of those were mid-range jump shots and layups according to NBA Stats.



It obviously wasn't all sunshine and rainbows in The Windy City last year. Perhaps the biggest factor behind the Bulls missing the playoffs last year was injuries and not just to Noah. Losing Dunleavy severely impacted the team's spot shooting and it's a role that the Knicks hope Lee, Thomas and Mindaugas Kuzminskas can fill in a similar manner to Dunleavy. Having players to kick out to should allow Rose to make better decisions off of drives, something he continues to do at an elite NBA level and an element the Knicks have severely lacked since Phil Jackson took over the team in 2014.

If you can make open shots, Rose is willing to pass
 

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Brandon Jennings hasn't even stepped onto the NBA hardwood as a Knick yet, but he's already on his way to becoming a fan favorite.

Upon joining New York, Jennings quickly took to social media to declare how excited he was to play in the world's most famous arena. Now, he already has a championship in his sights and seems to understand how special it would be to win one in the heart of New York City.

If that weren't enough, he's most recently been participating in a discussions amongst fans about which player had the better career: Reggie Miller or Robert Horry. Knicks fans have a certain disdain for Miller for obvious reasons, and Jennings' motivation to favor Horry's career stems from the fact that the forward won seven NBA champions. Miller came away with none.

Jennings is going to serve as quite the offensive spark plug off the bench, and as such, fans are going to love him and take very quickly to his style of play. Someone who can score in bunches, Jennings is going to embrace all of the pressure-filled crunch time moments. A 39 percent shooter from the field and 35 percent shooter from deep over the course of his career, consistency is certainly something he's lacked over the years. Still, he's also proven to be a clutch player when his team needs him most. That should bode well coming off the bench, or even filling in, if and when Derrick Rose's health become a cause for concern this coming season.

Jennings himself has plenty to prove. After an injury-riddled campaign of his own last season, he will assume a reserve role in New York, more or less for the first time in his career. After signing an one-year contract, he's will almost certainly be out looking for redemption.

If the Knicks can bottle up that certain clutch gene from Jennings and channel it in a more positive direction, they'll reap the benefits. He's a hot-and-cold player, but when he gets going, there's very little that can slow him (or his respective team) down. Much of what Jennings brings to the table, especially figuring as he steps into the sixth man role, is similar to what J.R. Smith provided the Knicks. At this point, that would certainly appear to also include his mannerisms on social media as well.

So far, this is all good news. As much of a wild card as Smith was, the Knicks have since lacked many of the positive things he provided since his departure. There aren't too many players who can assume this role in such a way, but if Jennings can give his new team and its fan base a similar taste, he'll catapult his way into becoming a fan favorite mightily fast.

Jennings' passion already resonating with Knicks fans
 

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16 passes? Yo wsup let's rent a coli suite for a game. It can't be THAT much to rent out between 16 people.

Edit: Between 9 and 30 racks, these dudes is buggin :childplease:

We should do a meet up at a bar tho :steviej:
 
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16 passes? Yo wsup let's rent a coli suite for a game. It can't be THAT much to rent out between 16 people.

Edit: Between 9 and 30 racks, these dudes is buggin :childplease:

We should do a meet up at a bar tho :steviej:
This reminds me of when I was trying to get season tickets a few years ago and the agent told me some wild number, had me like :dame: on the phone. Told him it was a little outta my range but it was way outta my range:pachaha:
 
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At some point, with Jokic as good as he is, Nurkic is gonna be available...probably right before he expires, I don't know his contract.
I'm assuming Nurkic is gonna cost a first at minimum, no matter when Denver decides to trade him. If Phil could get him for less then:blessed: I think he'd be worth a mid to late first rounder for most teams though, just not for the Knicks.
 

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I'm assuming Nurkic is gonna cost a first at minimum, no matter when Denver decides to trade him. If Phil could get him for less then:blessed: I think he'd be worth a mid to late first rounder for most teams though, just not for the Knicks.

Yeah, we need a couple of these young cats to show something to have a way around offering a first and with Willy in the cut, it's worthwhile to just wait and try to develop him. But before the offseason, I remember a few of us talking about the Nuggets logjam at Center. Now with KOQ still around, Willy around and Noah locked in...no need, though I'd probably still check the asking price.
 

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The Five Toughest Players I've Ever Guarded | by Paul Pierce

If I had to single one guy out who is the most difficult player to guard in the league, it would have to be Carmelo. He’s a unique blend of being big, strong, and athletic while also having a world-class shooting touch and a natural ability to get to the rim. That’s what sets him apart — every facet of his game is elite.

Some great players will have one or two particular skills that make them special. But Carmelo can do everything, which puts you in a baaad situation as a defender. A lot of guys might shoot better from certain areas, so you try to force them elsewhere on the floor. Carmelo doesn’t have a spot on the floor where he can’t consistently hit shots.

In my opinion, his combination of physicality and shooting touch is unmatched in the NBA. You can’t take one second off when you’re matched up against him.

Kobe is one of the best scorers in NBA history, but I don’t have as much trouble with him in the post as I do with Carmelo. LeBron is a great post-up player, but if you get him to settle for the jumper on some nights, you might be able to slow him down if his shot is off. That’s not the case with Melo. If you give him space to shoot, he’ll make it many more times than he misses it.

To put it plainly, he’s not a fun assignment on defense.

But then again, none of these guys are.

Big praise from Pierce. The list includes Bron, VC, Tmac and Kobe as well but Melo is singled out as the toughest player of the bunch to guard.

Edit: just realized this is an oldie that just got some new tweets. I should pay more attention to the player's tribune.
 
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Phil Jackson's desired win total for the New York Knicks last season was said to be 35, according to a recent submission from Today's Fastbreak.

Waiting to hear Jackson's expectations for last seasonthis summer is a little peculiar. That said, it's worth noting that more urgency is undoubtedly needed as the Knicks head into yet another training camp in Jackson's tenure.

Coming from a franchise-worst 17 wins the season before, netting 35 wins would have more than doubled the Knicks' victory total. Often times when a team is able to do that, they should garner praise.

But alas, that wouldn't have been enough for New York. The fact is the 17-win campaign should never have happened in the first place. As such, any subsequent success after that should not be using that season's failure as any type of benchmark or jumping off point.

Drafting Kristaps Porzingis and bringing in players like Arron Afflalo and Robin Lopez, the Knicks surely looked better than a 32-win team on paper. The 35-win expectation shouldn't have been enough, either. The roster was improved, but the decision to retain Derek Fisher heading into the season clearly held the team back.

This coming season should be different. Not only did Jackson make changes to the roster, but he did so while making quite an overall splash this offseason. This team not only looks "better," but it should be easier to declare that this type of improvement should, one way or another, lead to a playoff birth. In the Eastern Conference, that should mean hovering around a .500 record at the bare minimum.

Such a splash has obviously included a coaching change this time around as well. Thus, there should be optimism in the air. Expectations are well known at this point, regardless of whether or not Jackson wants to declare them publicly this time around. It's playoffs or bust, and it shouldn't make a difference where the Knicks were last season, because they shouldn't have been struggling so mightily at the beginning. There needs to be a change in culture that ultimately leads to more victories and overall success. Anything less is unacceptable.

Higher wins expectations a must for Knicks
 
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