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GhostoftheMan
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missed it cuz of midterms, how was it brehs? describe the greatness to me
and let me get some daps too
Starting squad (melo, sasha, calderon, lopez and porzingis) was pretty bad but i will say Lopez's impact on the defensive end was great. Melo was cold but his defense and making the extra passes in the beginning of the game cancelled the negatives out imo. Spanish puerco and Euro trash were terrible besides some shots they made here and there, both should either sit or play in the secondary.
Porzingis is a great freethrow shooter and gets those fouls due to being a mismatch and moving like a new born giraffe on offense. he also didn't look bad on the defensive end. Overall the starting lineup needs to be changed at 1and possibly two if arron isn't going to play any time soon.
the second team (grant, galloway, derrick, lance and KoQ) besides lance were nothing but
. they were being disruptive on defense and carried us to a strong lead in the first half. Grant was cooking making good passes and driving when he felt it was the only option. Galloway was good on both and was on fire behind the arch. Derrick looked like he did in preseason which is promising cause i think we all had thoughts that he would decline when regular season came around. KoQ was gooning like a 90's knickerbocker.
Go ahead and change the thread title opTonight god was blessing all the Kristaps Knickas
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Watching on LP right now
Melo drops 11 and knicks win by 25
Bench is roughly 8x better than the starting lineup last year.
What a wonderful night
We got these goons off the bench for such a wonderful price
Melo drops 11 and knicks win by 25
Bench is roughly 8x better than the starting lineup last year.
What a wonderful night
We got these goons off the bench for such a wonderful price
Why is it that it's always the lamest muthaffukkers on the site that want to come in and tell other fans to relax?
Only Dwill we acknowledge is Derrick
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This was a terrible team... but the knicks beat the shyt out of them, that's very cool to experience. Look forward to Melo/KP shooting better, but when you design a team like this -- with a bunch of pretty solid players THIS is the kind of performance you hope for, one where contributions come from all over.
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They put in work, i guess fisher sold them on them system kirstraps looked nicemissed it cuz of midterms, how was it brehs? describe the greatness to me
and let me get some daps too
DoubleClutch
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Just watched the encore presentation. The bench play was fantastic. Just please guys keep playing with that focus, effort and discipline on the defensive end and keep the ball moving on offense. We can definitely surprise a lot of people this season.
storyteller
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Yo, I'm too gassed off of this performance not to go long on some of the guys I think people will really take interest in, apologies in advance because I typically prefer short and sweet since it's easier to digest.
Short Version - We beat the Bucks in every category...scoring, efficiency, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals...everything. They were missing two starters so we definitely gotta temper our expectations but even with their situation a lot of people seemed to think we'd lose (non-Knicks fans I mean). A win tonight will be two wins over playoff teams and it'll be a nice early statement that we're not the same old Knicks. But for now, let's just enjoy a GREAT game from our guys and give them the respect they deserve for that amazing effort. No lofty predictions, no guarantees, just a simple admission that last night we put a beating on a pretty good team in every facet.
Kristaps - The opening minutes, this kid was clearly a bit overwhelmed by the moment. He was thinking instead of playing off instinct and even when he was wide open, he'd shoot long (pretty common for overamped youth shooters), he bobbled some boards and was a step behind on some rotations. It was a second quarter adjustment I'll chalk up to the coaches that got him going. Someone told the kid to attack the basket and Fish started running sets to KP at the elbow or slightly closer to the rim along the baseline...it paid off big. This dude got a couple an easy lay-up and started to draw fouls so frequently that by the end of the game he was drawing "benefit of a doubt" whistles that pissed off the home crowd. YOU DON'T SEE THAT WITH ROOKIES. His jumper never quite found itself, but you still saw the pure form and quick, high release that will make him a nightmare when he's comfortable. Defensively he's going to be a rim protector, all signs point to it and he's able to stick with his man through a combination of using his length and instincts. He's surprisingly adept at tracking rebounds off the rim and the same aggressive style that drew so many fouls helped him to get a couple of boards in crowds. He'll have to gain strength, calm down early and work on his hands to show his full potential; but that's a list he SHOULD be able to fix fairly quickly. I'm supremely confident that we have a baller here.
Jerian Grant - Court vision is really the name of the game with Grant. He sees the floor like a veteran PG and can complete highly difficult passes to find his man. Grant's North/South play was something I noted all preseason and in this game and it got him easy looks that helped boost his shooting percentage. He actually shot a couple of willful ranged jumpers which he'd shied from in the latter half of preseason and I think his jumper will only improve because the form is there. Defensively, he's a great combination of size and athleticism which helps him to keep up with his opposition. It'll be fun to see how he handles tougher guard match-ups but paired with Galloway, he'll rarely have to worry about the toughest tests. The alley-oop to D-Will was a play that showed him reading the floor before he even caught the ball and there was another inside pass to Williams that really showed how he finds angles to get his man a look (it was the one where D-will missed the initial lay-up and finished on a put back dunk).
Carmelo - Getting the bad out of the way, he couldn't find his jumper and never really got a rhythm on it. His rushed shots came almost entirely in sequences that followed him finishing at the rim. He would finish a basket and then immediately look to shoot again to try and catch a rhythm, I was fine with that. Breen and Walt were highly critical of his third quarter play when he was "holding" too long and it kinda painted him as playing selfishly to get his own. If you watch back though, he was looking at the double team approaching most times and waiting for the second defender to commit. He was holding the ball so he could draw the defense in and open the floor for his passing. He had 5 assists last night but could have had 8 if open jumpers landed in that third quarter sequence. Make no mistake, last night was one of his most impressive passing games as a Knick and I've always appreciated his passing (something many people see as a weakness). His 6 boards doesn't leap off of the page but they were strong boards in crowds at times, one board stands out where he absolutely jacked Monroe for it. His defense was great, not average or solid...it was really good. 11, 5, 6, 1, 1 and only 2 TO's...if he hits the easy ones that you expect him to, that's a 20,5,6,1,1 game...That'd make the Knicks a hard team to beat.
Robin Lopez - His defensive play could get slept on because Monroe feasted on boards when R-Lo was drawn away. MCW was really attacking the rack often and R-Lo met him nearly every time. When Monroe had to go heads up with R-Lo, Lopez won those one on one match-ups. Offensively, the guy showed his little hook shot early and got to the line, plus battled on the offensive boards but as with the rest of his game, forced nothing. He only rocked for 20 minutes thanks to KOQ killing it and the big lead, which is good because he's playing on a nagging undisclosed injury. Only 2 boards kinda needs to be put in context, he boxes out somebody on every play and does it with force...on one play he mistakingly slammed Sasha out of the play with his box out but that shows you his mentality. When the ball goes up, he's looking to bump somebody and create space for teammates. His numbers are almost always pedestrian but his play really lifts the guys around him. Criticism would be that when they ran through him in the post we were largely ineffective, but he didn't have much time with slashers to help open the floor.
Calderon - He was our only negative sum player. I won't pile on him except to say that someone needs to inform him to go under screens when he's guarding a guy who can't shoot. He's already at a disadvantage keeping up with players, so that was a massive problem that got him in foul trouble. Never got a rhythm, shot poorly and just struggled...I'll leave it at that.
Vujacic - You ever play at a court and there's the old cat who rolls up dressed like it's a semi-pro league and plays that way too...just never slows down, constantly in motion and pisses you off because it ain't that serious. That was Sasha last night, he kinda did everything right despite not having the skill to really kill the Bucks for it. He made the system run more smoothly, Fish is right about that and his defense was respectable to the point where Middleton really didn't do much. I hate this guy, but I can respect that performance and if he keeps that up I'll change tunes quickly.
KOQ - I think he deserves the game ball over D-Will. Greg Monroe was feasting early as R-Lo couldn't guard two guys inside and had to choose MCW in most sets. Guard penetration stopped being a problem when O'Quinn came out there (helped that he had better perimeter defenders) and that meant he beat Greg Monroe up and I mean literally. He bodied that dude, blocked him, grabbed offensive boards over him and if you listen while he's out there you HEAR him communicating with teammates and growling or screaming at opponents. When guards did make it to the rim, he made sure they PAID for it with hard but clean fouls. His passing was better than that 3 assist total, he's really got some of the best vision I've seen in a big man. He didn't force anything (the air ball came with the shot clock low). This guy on the boards is a BEAST. His defensive play and motor sets the tone for the second unit before the guards or D-will ever need to get going. He did however seem a bit gassed late, which isn't shocking as this is a much bigger role and he works so damned hard. This guy is a throwback, playing how you expected Oakley and Mason to play or LJ and Camby or Kurt Thomas...he's the type of big New Yorkers love and that makes sense since he's one of our own.
D-Will - Preseason shoulda kinda told you what to expect. When he shoots in rhythm or gets the ball in motion to the basket, he's an absolute nightmare to guard. He's not a great passer and shouldn't be put in Iso situations, but he's so athletic and good at the rest of the game that he makes up for flaws. Defensively and on the boards...he was surprisingly adept. He kept his motor on D and was really challenging people. He was grabbing boards which is a double whammy on oppositions because he'll dribble the whole floor too fast for big defenders to keep up which means easy buckets or a foul from a small guy. His jumper is so much improved from previous years (it showed post ASB last year tbh) that you can't cheat off of him any more. His biggest gift though is finding openings on the floor and this free roaming offense will let him take full advantage. He's focused right now and in a system that takes advantage of all of his strengths. Consistency has been a problem historically so we should pray he keeps it up but so far he has been arguably our brightest spot. This is our likely second leading scorer all year, the go to guy when Melo's off the floor and a perfect compliment for our athletic second unit which has 3 passers who can find him when he's open (Grant, Galloway and KOQ).
Lance Thomas - I though Early shoulda got his minutes, but I can't front on him...played awful early but got going in the second half and did well. I still think his performance was fool's gold as he got a lot of his numbers when we were up a lot in the fourth, but I won't hate on a good performance. Dude always works...I respect that much.
Langston Galloway - On most night's, his performance would stand out too much to leave for this late in my analysis and I wanna make sure y'all know that I didn't put him down here for any faults. He played one of the most complete games you could ask for. He's a great defensive player, we know that, enough said. He tracks boards pretty well, another facet we kinda just expect at this point. His shooting since the preseason and into last night has been the big standout improvement. Every time the Bucks flirted with a run, he would hit a dagger. The system is giving him just enough space to pick on sagging defenders who are ready for him to make a cut or quick swing pass and he's got the IQ to pick and choose when to make defenders pay. I know he's an older sophomore and our rookies might make you forget, but he has been developing and improving non-stop since the 30 point preseason game where he let us know he exists. With Grant out there his passing can be slept on, but it's above average which makes him a pretty lethal second guard next to a PG and a good enough passer to run PG when we need. That's on top of another night where he committed 0 TO's. He plays like a vet and he has more upside than outsiders might expect...he's a low key player to watch.
Early - 11th man last night played 7 minutes...in those limited minutes he gave us a lay-up on a break, a nice assist, a rebound and a steal with no TO's or missed FGA's. You can't ask for much more in limited minutes than a little bit of everything. Defensively he looks a lot more comfortable and offensively he took what he got. I'd like to see him supplant Lance Thomas sooner than later. He's a sophomore off an injury plagued rookie season but there's improvement showing and a lot of it comes down to mentality. He's locked in and playing the game right...I'd like to see him get a shot.
D-Fish - Uneven performance for me. I hate the Calderon/Sasha tandem and I don't think it ever looked good in this game though the machine came to play and played well. I want Early to get Lance's minutes but Lance made up for early poor play by closing really well. The second unit bailed him out on the starting back court flaws and Lance bailed him out with good play in garbage time, but I'm monitoring both closely until they really prove the right ideas. The adjustment to get KP going was great, ISO'ing Melo to start the second half was smart and riding the bench guys when they were hot was obvious but still a good choice. He also called a couple of smart Timeouts when things showed a semblance of going off the rails. So besides rotations, a good performance but the rotations still have me skeptical for now.
Random - Walt Clyde Frazier stole the show with a hatefest for Bucks players, especially Monroe. It was a lot of hilarity with this dude all night from remarking about how he wasn't upset we missed out on Monroe, to blatantly stating "Middleton didn't show up tonight" and closing out the game with "the Bucks have some soul searching to do" ...he was hitting those cats with ether that's deserved when you get blown out in a home opener that you were expected to win by most pundits and it was refreshing that the criticism wasn't for us. Bucks wise...honestly, they need Giannis for energy and Parker for scoring because that team last night showed no real chemistry. Losing two starters will do that though.
Short Version - We beat the Bucks in every category...scoring, efficiency, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals...everything. They were missing two starters so we definitely gotta temper our expectations but even with their situation a lot of people seemed to think we'd lose (non-Knicks fans I mean). A win tonight will be two wins over playoff teams and it'll be a nice early statement that we're not the same old Knicks. But for now, let's just enjoy a GREAT game from our guys and give them the respect they deserve for that amazing effort. No lofty predictions, no guarantees, just a simple admission that last night we put a beating on a pretty good team in every facet.
Kristaps - The opening minutes, this kid was clearly a bit overwhelmed by the moment. He was thinking instead of playing off instinct and even when he was wide open, he'd shoot long (pretty common for overamped youth shooters), he bobbled some boards and was a step behind on some rotations. It was a second quarter adjustment I'll chalk up to the coaches that got him going. Someone told the kid to attack the basket and Fish started running sets to KP at the elbow or slightly closer to the rim along the baseline...it paid off big. This dude got a couple an easy lay-up and started to draw fouls so frequently that by the end of the game he was drawing "benefit of a doubt" whistles that pissed off the home crowd. YOU DON'T SEE THAT WITH ROOKIES. His jumper never quite found itself, but you still saw the pure form and quick, high release that will make him a nightmare when he's comfortable. Defensively he's going to be a rim protector, all signs point to it and he's able to stick with his man through a combination of using his length and instincts. He's surprisingly adept at tracking rebounds off the rim and the same aggressive style that drew so many fouls helped him to get a couple of boards in crowds. He'll have to gain strength, calm down early and work on his hands to show his full potential; but that's a list he SHOULD be able to fix fairly quickly. I'm supremely confident that we have a baller here.
Jerian Grant - Court vision is really the name of the game with Grant. He sees the floor like a veteran PG and can complete highly difficult passes to find his man. Grant's North/South play was something I noted all preseason and in this game and it got him easy looks that helped boost his shooting percentage. He actually shot a couple of willful ranged jumpers which he'd shied from in the latter half of preseason and I think his jumper will only improve because the form is there. Defensively, he's a great combination of size and athleticism which helps him to keep up with his opposition. It'll be fun to see how he handles tougher guard match-ups but paired with Galloway, he'll rarely have to worry about the toughest tests. The alley-oop to D-Will was a play that showed him reading the floor before he even caught the ball and there was another inside pass to Williams that really showed how he finds angles to get his man a look (it was the one where D-will missed the initial lay-up and finished on a put back dunk).
Carmelo - Getting the bad out of the way, he couldn't find his jumper and never really got a rhythm on it. His rushed shots came almost entirely in sequences that followed him finishing at the rim. He would finish a basket and then immediately look to shoot again to try and catch a rhythm, I was fine with that. Breen and Walt were highly critical of his third quarter play when he was "holding" too long and it kinda painted him as playing selfishly to get his own. If you watch back though, he was looking at the double team approaching most times and waiting for the second defender to commit. He was holding the ball so he could draw the defense in and open the floor for his passing. He had 5 assists last night but could have had 8 if open jumpers landed in that third quarter sequence. Make no mistake, last night was one of his most impressive passing games as a Knick and I've always appreciated his passing (something many people see as a weakness). His 6 boards doesn't leap off of the page but they were strong boards in crowds at times, one board stands out where he absolutely jacked Monroe for it. His defense was great, not average or solid...it was really good. 11, 5, 6, 1, 1 and only 2 TO's...if he hits the easy ones that you expect him to, that's a 20,5,6,1,1 game...That'd make the Knicks a hard team to beat.
Robin Lopez - His defensive play could get slept on because Monroe feasted on boards when R-Lo was drawn away. MCW was really attacking the rack often and R-Lo met him nearly every time. When Monroe had to go heads up with R-Lo, Lopez won those one on one match-ups. Offensively, the guy showed his little hook shot early and got to the line, plus battled on the offensive boards but as with the rest of his game, forced nothing. He only rocked for 20 minutes thanks to KOQ killing it and the big lead, which is good because he's playing on a nagging undisclosed injury. Only 2 boards kinda needs to be put in context, he boxes out somebody on every play and does it with force...on one play he mistakingly slammed Sasha out of the play with his box out but that shows you his mentality. When the ball goes up, he's looking to bump somebody and create space for teammates. His numbers are almost always pedestrian but his play really lifts the guys around him. Criticism would be that when they ran through him in the post we were largely ineffective, but he didn't have much time with slashers to help open the floor.
Calderon - He was our only negative sum player. I won't pile on him except to say that someone needs to inform him to go under screens when he's guarding a guy who can't shoot. He's already at a disadvantage keeping up with players, so that was a massive problem that got him in foul trouble. Never got a rhythm, shot poorly and just struggled...I'll leave it at that.
Vujacic - You ever play at a court and there's the old cat who rolls up dressed like it's a semi-pro league and plays that way too...just never slows down, constantly in motion and pisses you off because it ain't that serious. That was Sasha last night, he kinda did everything right despite not having the skill to really kill the Bucks for it. He made the system run more smoothly, Fish is right about that and his defense was respectable to the point where Middleton really didn't do much. I hate this guy, but I can respect that performance and if he keeps that up I'll change tunes quickly.
KOQ - I think he deserves the game ball over D-Will. Greg Monroe was feasting early as R-Lo couldn't guard two guys inside and had to choose MCW in most sets. Guard penetration stopped being a problem when O'Quinn came out there (helped that he had better perimeter defenders) and that meant he beat Greg Monroe up and I mean literally. He bodied that dude, blocked him, grabbed offensive boards over him and if you listen while he's out there you HEAR him communicating with teammates and growling or screaming at opponents. When guards did make it to the rim, he made sure they PAID for it with hard but clean fouls. His passing was better than that 3 assist total, he's really got some of the best vision I've seen in a big man. He didn't force anything (the air ball came with the shot clock low). This guy on the boards is a BEAST. His defensive play and motor sets the tone for the second unit before the guards or D-will ever need to get going. He did however seem a bit gassed late, which isn't shocking as this is a much bigger role and he works so damned hard. This guy is a throwback, playing how you expected Oakley and Mason to play or LJ and Camby or Kurt Thomas...he's the type of big New Yorkers love and that makes sense since he's one of our own.
D-Will - Preseason shoulda kinda told you what to expect. When he shoots in rhythm or gets the ball in motion to the basket, he's an absolute nightmare to guard. He's not a great passer and shouldn't be put in Iso situations, but he's so athletic and good at the rest of the game that he makes up for flaws. Defensively and on the boards...he was surprisingly adept. He kept his motor on D and was really challenging people. He was grabbing boards which is a double whammy on oppositions because he'll dribble the whole floor too fast for big defenders to keep up which means easy buckets or a foul from a small guy. His jumper is so much improved from previous years (it showed post ASB last year tbh) that you can't cheat off of him any more. His biggest gift though is finding openings on the floor and this free roaming offense will let him take full advantage. He's focused right now and in a system that takes advantage of all of his strengths. Consistency has been a problem historically so we should pray he keeps it up but so far he has been arguably our brightest spot. This is our likely second leading scorer all year, the go to guy when Melo's off the floor and a perfect compliment for our athletic second unit which has 3 passers who can find him when he's open (Grant, Galloway and KOQ).
Lance Thomas - I though Early shoulda got his minutes, but I can't front on him...played awful early but got going in the second half and did well. I still think his performance was fool's gold as he got a lot of his numbers when we were up a lot in the fourth, but I won't hate on a good performance. Dude always works...I respect that much.
Langston Galloway - On most night's, his performance would stand out too much to leave for this late in my analysis and I wanna make sure y'all know that I didn't put him down here for any faults. He played one of the most complete games you could ask for. He's a great defensive player, we know that, enough said. He tracks boards pretty well, another facet we kinda just expect at this point. His shooting since the preseason and into last night has been the big standout improvement. Every time the Bucks flirted with a run, he would hit a dagger. The system is giving him just enough space to pick on sagging defenders who are ready for him to make a cut or quick swing pass and he's got the IQ to pick and choose when to make defenders pay. I know he's an older sophomore and our rookies might make you forget, but he has been developing and improving non-stop since the 30 point preseason game where he let us know he exists. With Grant out there his passing can be slept on, but it's above average which makes him a pretty lethal second guard next to a PG and a good enough passer to run PG when we need. That's on top of another night where he committed 0 TO's. He plays like a vet and he has more upside than outsiders might expect...he's a low key player to watch.
Early - 11th man last night played 7 minutes...in those limited minutes he gave us a lay-up on a break, a nice assist, a rebound and a steal with no TO's or missed FGA's. You can't ask for much more in limited minutes than a little bit of everything. Defensively he looks a lot more comfortable and offensively he took what he got. I'd like to see him supplant Lance Thomas sooner than later. He's a sophomore off an injury plagued rookie season but there's improvement showing and a lot of it comes down to mentality. He's locked in and playing the game right...I'd like to see him get a shot.
D-Fish - Uneven performance for me. I hate the Calderon/Sasha tandem and I don't think it ever looked good in this game though the machine came to play and played well. I want Early to get Lance's minutes but Lance made up for early poor play by closing really well. The second unit bailed him out on the starting back court flaws and Lance bailed him out with good play in garbage time, but I'm monitoring both closely until they really prove the right ideas. The adjustment to get KP going was great, ISO'ing Melo to start the second half was smart and riding the bench guys when they were hot was obvious but still a good choice. He also called a couple of smart Timeouts when things showed a semblance of going off the rails. So besides rotations, a good performance but the rotations still have me skeptical for now.
Random - Walt Clyde Frazier stole the show with a hatefest for Bucks players, especially Monroe. It was a lot of hilarity with this dude all night from remarking about how he wasn't upset we missed out on Monroe, to blatantly stating "Middleton didn't show up tonight" and closing out the game with "the Bucks have some soul searching to do" ...he was hitting those cats with ether that's deserved when you get blown out in a home opener that you were expected to win by most pundits and it was refreshing that the criticism wasn't for us. Bucks wise...honestly, they need Giannis for energy and Parker for scoring because that team last night showed no real chemistry. Losing two starters will do that though.
I picked the Knicks to win the Atlantic division a few days ago. I just think they have a chance to be a lot better than people think. They have capable. Players at each spot, the only weakness is at PG but the triangle somewhat negates that. Solid team win.
how we look brehs?
can i get my playoff tickets ready
DO IT breh...