seemorecizzy
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cant lie, i was yelling and going crazy after that shot
Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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cant lie, i was yelling and going crazy after that shot
KnickstapeCity
The Big Dikk King
@Zema with the name change? 
@Zema and @KnickstapeCity,
Sitting in a tree,
K I SS I N G,
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes @KnickstapeCity,Jr.
In a baby carriage.
Hi @Zema
He's a
stan, breh.
Even the nikka @Ironman is a
stan also but at least he don't have
in his fukking avi.
@NY's #1 Draft Pick
@JayGatsby
@Zema and @KnickstapeCity,
Sitting in a tree,
K I SS I N G,
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes @KnickstapeCity,Jr.
In a baby carriage.
Hi @Zema
Why u hate that breh so much
He's a
Even the nikka @Ironman is a
@NY's #1 Draft Pick
@JayGatsby
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Can we get a point guard pleaseI'm tired of this shyt
Moochie Norris has to be rolling in his grave
A Moochie Norris name drop
This thread deserves the rafters just for that alone.
It's to catch games
Ironman
#Knickstape
nikka I aint a gotdamn stan@Zema with the name change?
@Zema and @KnickstapeCity,
Sitting in a tree,
K I SS I N G,
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes @KnickstapeCity,Jr.
In a baby carriage.
Hi @Zema
He's astan, breh.
Even the nikka @Ironman is astan also but at least he don't havein his fukking avi.
@NY's #1 Draft Pick
@JayGatsby
I'm from southside nikka I don't have any issues with 50 like that. He's hit or miss these days music wise though.KnickstapeCity
The Big Dikk King
nikka I aint a gotdamn stan
:philjacksonlol:
Southside
GollyImGully
Too many wavy women, gotta log outta IG
Ironman
#Knickstape
KnickstapeCity
The Big Dikk King
You ain't shyt I swear
:philjacksonlol:
You really be having a nikka like :philjacksonlol:with all them gifs.
storyteller
Veteran
Fisher sets his rotations based on whoever has the hot hand which DIRECTLY contradicts his line about the process>results. He still doesn't have the capacity to bench scrubs with no future on this roster like Sasha, Amundson and Seraphin and ride througj the younger players like Grant, Galloway and O'Quinn despite their shortcomings/ inconsistencies.It's not entirely his fault, but I still hate his guts.
Bout to rant on this whole "process > playoffs" BS he's talking in a post game drop.
storyteller
Veteran
That's when Tolliver hit a three with the shot clock winding...I'm not one to blame refs for a loss typically, but I'll say the refs have REALLY been bad this year across the NBA and they HAVE cost teams games. Not just us either. Between this and the flagrant call, they made two TERRIBLE and potentially game changing calls. We still got the lead and blew it, but it deserves to be acknowledged that the refs need to do a better job period. Don't get me started again on a ref standing two feet inside the lines while players are running by him which ends up injuring out best player.
storyteller
Veteran
I'm about to do a different kinda post game for this. The first half was a debacle, the players went through the motions aimlessly and got smoked. They looked defeated before the second quarter started. My critique for the entire roster in that half is 
...that's it. Why analyze players who didn't look like they even cared? The second half, they did show up. The TNT experts were really pushing the concept that Fishers fiery "why are you here!?" speech was the big difference maker 
; reality is Fisher's decision to scrap the triangle and let Melo operate in more isolations, have Afflalo set his post ups without strict adherence to triangle positioning and most importantly had the entire team run spread offense high pick and rolls got everyone into a rhythm. That's still props to Fisher for making a major offensive shift that got the team going (and impacted effort on both ends), but I just wanted to point out how annoying TNT's panel of pro's can be. Anyway, the players got something they were comfortable in and they played with more effort 
...effort should be the one thing that you can consistently pump out regardless of scheme or situation. So I'm still not gonna break down player by player, I'm just gonna rant on a few things aspects of the night and performance.
The Personnel Doesn't Fit the Triangle: Chalk this up in the "obviously fam" column; but this was only the second game where the Knicks pretty much completely scrapped the triangle for high pick and rolls. The first time, they beat the C's without KP or Melo around. This time they erased a 27 point lead in one half and even took a 1 point lead late. Both times they did it to teams with winning records. Theoretically and based on Melo's run when his legs were good, I'd say this team CAN run the triangle through him. But if he's hurt, none of the PG's are capable of running it. AA's passes for FGA's actually lead players to lower FG percentages. RoLo receives the ball further from the basket where he's less effective. KP can go minutes at a time without a touch. You watch this team run simple pick and roll sets and it's even more clear. AA made nice passes last night, Melo drew fouls more easily, RoLo got the ball moving TOWARD the basket, KP's open in pick and pop constantly and the PG's just plain look better (well, last night it was LG who looked better but before that Grant did the same thing). The biggest hope coming out of this game is that Fisher will realize the obvious.
Actions speak louder than words and the Knicks are fronting about goals: This falls back to the "it's about the process, not the playoffs" rhetoric we've been hit with lately. If that's the case then there is really no excuse for Sasha ever getting burn. Cleanthony Early shoulda played to start the season. Grant should not be getting benched after poor performances. Galloway should have the starting role locked down even if Calderon is running the offense marginally better. If you're not worried about winning, the vets who won't be here next year unless we absolutely MUST keep them (aka can't dump Jose's contract) should be ceding minutes to the young guys for developmental reasons. You know what though? That's not my biggest problem here. My deepest frustration comes from Melo and KP rushing back from injuries in a season that the coach doesn't care about. Melo played 50 minutes into double overtime on a bad ankle to the point that he was limping around and still playing...but wins don't matter? Melo's had knee soreness in the surgically repaired knee ever since and even Fisher admitted this stems from favoring the bad ankle. KP's scares me more. He had a foot injury, he's a 20 year 7'3 player...foot injuries are TERRIFYING for young developing big men. But he was right back in and playing on that foot. He hasn't looked right since that injury, although he says he's fine and they're blaming his poor play on an upper respiratory infection lately; but I don't think you risk the big man with the foot injury anyway. If wins don't matter, then you don't rush guys back from injury and risk further damage. Let me stress too, this isn't just on Fish. Phil downplayed the playoffs in the preseason too.
We still don't know who the third big man is: KOQ seemed like he was gonna get a real shake at this thing. He got to play through struggles for a bit and actually started to show signs of improvement. He was still struggling on defensive rotations, but his timing actually started to slightly improve. Even in those instances, the second half you were more likely to see Lou Amundson than KOQ off the bench. It was odd. So last game, neither of those two got off the bench, Seraphin was back in randomly and he sucked as bad as you'd expect a guy who hasn't seen the court at all for a while would. So then last night we essentially just went with two big men, our starters. Idc if it's KOQ or Lou or KS, we can't keep rotating that spot. Fish needs to pick a big man and stick with him for at least a month. These unpredictable big man rotations are detrimental to everyone. The bench bigs are all forcing things to try and earn more minutes and none of them has a semblance of timing or rhythm; that in turn hurts anyone on the court with them.
Sasha Sucks: I just needed to say that.
The Van Gundy's are the realest:
Translation: "We don't believe you, you need more people (Jay voice)!"
I really wish we could have a Van Gundy in our organization voicing his opinions. JVG and SVG are cold blooded when they're not in tv roles and even then JVG loses it sometimes and just goes HAM.
Flagrant Fouls have reached roughing the passer levels of soft: Lance Thomas gave a good, smart hard foul lest he be dunked on and posterized. That Drummond landed badly sucks, but it comes with the territory when you're trying to slam on people's heads. The other night I didn't think EITHER of the flagrant foul calls was correct, one was probably a make up call...how the hell do you hand out a make up flagrant foul!? We've reached a point in the NBA where touch fouls are way too common and have turned good ball handlers into damn near unstoppable players. Straight line drives >>> clever passing; flailing at the rim >>> going up strong; getting dunked on >>> putting 'em on the FT line. It's pathetic.
That's all...I just needed to vent. Only players I'm shouting out are Galloway for getting his swagger back and RoLo for absolutely crushing it. He's playing above his contract value a lot lately. Melo needs his legs back, AA is finally getting back but just let a rookie torch him and talk trash and I'd rather see KP not play than be sluggish. Lance would have earned some love if he didn't force a few jumpers during a late run where the ball obviously belonged in any other player's hands to run a pick and roll.
...that's it. Why analyze players who didn't look like they even cared? The second half, they did show up. The TNT experts were really pushing the concept that Fishers fiery "why are you here!?" speech was the big difference maker ; reality is Fisher's decision to scrap the triangle and let Melo operate in more isolations, have Afflalo set his post ups without strict adherence to triangle positioning and most importantly had the entire team run spread offense high pick and rolls got everyone into a rhythm. That's still props to Fisher for making a major offensive shift that got the team going (and impacted effort on both ends), but I just wanted to point out how annoying TNT's panel of pro's can be. Anyway, the players got something they were comfortable in and they played with more effort ...effort should be the one thing that you can consistently pump out regardless of scheme or situation. So I'm still not gonna break down player by player, I'm just gonna rant on a few things aspects of the night and performance.The Personnel Doesn't Fit the Triangle: Chalk this up in the "obviously fam" column; but this was only the second game where the Knicks pretty much completely scrapped the triangle for high pick and rolls. The first time, they beat the C's without KP or Melo around. This time they erased a 27 point lead in one half and even took a 1 point lead late. Both times they did it to teams with winning records. Theoretically and based on Melo's run when his legs were good, I'd say this team CAN run the triangle through him. But if he's hurt, none of the PG's are capable of running it. AA's passes for FGA's actually lead players to lower FG percentages. RoLo receives the ball further from the basket where he's less effective. KP can go minutes at a time without a touch. You watch this team run simple pick and roll sets and it's even more clear. AA made nice passes last night, Melo drew fouls more easily, RoLo got the ball moving TOWARD the basket, KP's open in pick and pop constantly and the PG's just plain look better (well, last night it was LG who looked better but before that Grant did the same thing). The biggest hope coming out of this game is that Fisher will realize the obvious.
Actions speak louder than words and the Knicks are fronting about goals: This falls back to the "it's about the process, not the playoffs" rhetoric we've been hit with lately. If that's the case then there is really no excuse for Sasha ever getting burn. Cleanthony Early shoulda played to start the season. Grant should not be getting benched after poor performances. Galloway should have the starting role locked down even if Calderon is running the offense marginally better. If you're not worried about winning, the vets who won't be here next year unless we absolutely MUST keep them (aka can't dump Jose's contract) should be ceding minutes to the young guys for developmental reasons. You know what though? That's not my biggest problem here. My deepest frustration comes from Melo and KP rushing back from injuries in a season that the coach doesn't care about. Melo played 50 minutes into double overtime on a bad ankle to the point that he was limping around and still playing...but wins don't matter? Melo's had knee soreness in the surgically repaired knee ever since and even Fisher admitted this stems from favoring the bad ankle. KP's scares me more. He had a foot injury, he's a 20 year 7'3 player...foot injuries are TERRIFYING for young developing big men. But he was right back in and playing on that foot. He hasn't looked right since that injury, although he says he's fine and they're blaming his poor play on an upper respiratory infection lately; but I don't think you risk the big man with the foot injury anyway. If wins don't matter, then you don't rush guys back from injury and risk further damage. Let me stress too, this isn't just on Fish. Phil downplayed the playoffs in the preseason too.
We still don't know who the third big man is: KOQ seemed like he was gonna get a real shake at this thing. He got to play through struggles for a bit and actually started to show signs of improvement. He was still struggling on defensive rotations, but his timing actually started to slightly improve. Even in those instances, the second half you were more likely to see Lou Amundson than KOQ off the bench. It was odd. So last game, neither of those two got off the bench, Seraphin was back in randomly and he sucked as bad as you'd expect a guy who hasn't seen the court at all for a while would. So then last night we essentially just went with two big men, our starters. Idc if it's KOQ or Lou or KS, we can't keep rotating that spot. Fish needs to pick a big man and stick with him for at least a month. These unpredictable big man rotations are detrimental to everyone. The bench bigs are all forcing things to try and earn more minutes and none of them has a semblance of timing or rhythm; that in turn hurts anyone on the court with them.
Sasha Sucks: I just needed to say that.
The Van Gundy's are the realest:
"Van Gundy doesn’t see the Knicks as “developing.’’ He didn’t name names, but the Pistons leader seemed to be responding to Fisher. “They’re a good team, a veteran team,’’ Van Gundy said before the Pistons’ 111-105 victory over the Knicks. “They got [Kristaps] Porzingis, but when all healthy, they put four veterans around him. It’s a smart, veteran team around a real talented young guy. I laugh a little bit when I see them referred to as a young, developing team. I wasn’t aware Robin Lopez, Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon and Arron Afflalo are that young. I read that. Wow. I guess in society at large, guys in their 30s are young.’’
Translation: "We don't believe you, you need more people (Jay voice)!"
I really wish we could have a Van Gundy in our organization voicing his opinions. JVG and SVG are cold blooded when they're not in tv roles and even then JVG loses it sometimes and just goes HAM.
Flagrant Fouls have reached roughing the passer levels of soft: Lance Thomas gave a good, smart hard foul lest he be dunked on and posterized. That Drummond landed badly sucks, but it comes with the territory when you're trying to slam on people's heads. The other night I didn't think EITHER of the flagrant foul calls was correct, one was probably a make up call...how the hell do you hand out a make up flagrant foul!? We've reached a point in the NBA where touch fouls are way too common and have turned good ball handlers into damn near unstoppable players. Straight line drives >>> clever passing; flailing at the rim >>> going up strong; getting dunked on >>> putting 'em on the FT line. It's pathetic.
That's all...I just needed to vent. Only players I'm shouting out are Galloway for getting his swagger back and RoLo for absolutely crushing it. He's playing above his contract value a lot lately. Melo needs his legs back, AA is finally getting back but just let a rookie torch him and talk trash and I'd rather see KP not play than be sluggish. Lance would have earned some love if he didn't force a few jumpers during a late run where the ball obviously belonged in any other player's hands to run a pick and roll.