Prominent Libertarian publication Reason's racist history exposed

[The Real]

Can anyone explain specifically how libertarianism itself is anti-black, or harms black people specifically?

I don't think it's anti-Black, but I think it is very naïve when it comes to dealing with the natural human tendency towards tribalism, and unintentionally or otherwise, opens the door to majoritarian tyranny.

But that aside, I find it bizarre that none of the thinkers I listed above live up to the standards that Libertarianism supposedly preaches. And we're not talking about 19th or 18th century thinkers here (though ironically John Stuart Mill was less prejudiced than Mises, despite predating him by a century,) so being from a different time is no excuse. Can Libertarianism even be concretely separated from these tendencies that seem to have been with it since its origin? Sure, we can think about it in the abstract, but I mean as a matter of really-existing people.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

I don't think it's anti-Black, but I think it is very naïve when it comes to dealing with the natural human tendency towards tribalism, and unintentionally or otherwise, opens the door to majoritarian tyranny.

But that aside, I find it bizarre that none of the thinkers I listed above live up to the standards that Libertarianism supposedly preaches. And we're not talking about 19th or 18th century thinkers here (though ironically John Stuart Mill was less prejudiced than Mises, despite predating him by a century,) so being from a different time is no excuse. Can Libertarianism even be concretely separated from these tendencies that seem to have been with it since its origin? Sure, we can think about it in the abstract, but I mean as a matter of really-existing people.

I also think that some people are inherently drawn to it who have a bit of a hobbesian might is right worldview. Government is bad because it disrupts the 'natural' order of things, and by providing aid to some it makes them weak and dependent. I have seen @DEAD7 and twism paraphrase this when talking about things like affirmative action, etc. A lot of racists think "what would blacks/hispanics be without government aid? They can't seem to progress even with a government hand" and there are conservative minorities who feel shameful about accepting it, for a number of reasons.

 

[tmonster]

I also think that some people are inherently drawn to it who have a bit of a hobbesian might is right worldview. Government is bad because it disrupts the 'natural' order of things, and by providing aid to some it makes them weak and dependent. I have seen @DEAD7 and twism paraphrase this when talking about things like affirmative action, etc. A lot of racists think "what would blacks/hispanics be without government aid? They can't seem to progress even with a government hand" and there are conservative minorities who feel shameful about accepting it, for a number of reasons.

I officially name this condition the "Craig T, Nelson syndrome" and suggest the term "Nelsonian" from now on as a referring adjective

 

[A Real Human Bean]

Can anyone explain specifically how libertarianism itself is anti-black, or harms black people specifically?

The form of libertarianism most commonly talked about in the United States is a kind that puts a very high level of authority into the hands of unaccountable private power. How such a system could harm black people and people in general shouldn't have to be explained.

 

[Handsback]

Wow. That was a fukking article.

@DEAD7 Dude are you advocating/defending/praising apartheid?

 

[DEAD7]

I also think that some people are inherently drawn to it who have a bit of a hobbesian might is right worldview. Government is bad because it disrupts the 'natural' order of things, and by providing aid to some it makes them weak and dependent. I have seen @DEAD7 and twism paraphrase this when talking about things like affirmative action, etc. A lot of racists think "what would blacks/hispanics be without government aid? They can't seem to progress even with a government hand" and there are conservative minorities who feel shameful about accepting it, for a number of reasons.

Govt. is necessarily a concentration of power, and a quick look through history provides all the evidence you could need for supporting small limited govt.

State provision does not solve problems... but rather than debate that(again), let me say its the means by which the state acquires the resources for these provisions, and the extremely poor implementation of these programs that are the real issue. Something that people on both sides of the isle can agree with.
Where we ultimately go different directions, is the belief that govt. can do these things as efficient as the market... or that politicians are actually trying to solve our problems rather than their own, of which getting elected/re-elected are number 1 & 2.

Govt. is gonna Govt.

 

[DEAD7]

Wow. That was a fukking article.

@DEAD7 Dude are you advocating/defending/praising apartheid?

If you think I'm for not just big govt., but govt. forced segregation to boot. You misunderstand libertarianism.

 

[DEAD7]

The form of libertarianism most commonly talked about in the United States is a kind that puts a very high level of authority into the hands of unaccountable private power. How such a system could harm black people and people in general shouldn't have to be explained.

Could you explain what you mean by private power, and how it works independent of the state?

 

[Midrash]

I've known quite a few libertarians in college and a lot of them hold white supremacist viewpoints.

I even got into an argument with one because they DESPISED the civil rights act and tried to argue that it was a violation of a business's rights. They said if a business would be racist in the private sector then they would lose money so the free market is incentivized to NOT be racist. They tried to argue racism would have disappeared if it wasn't for intrusive federal government banning discrimination in 1964.


Libertarianism tbh are sheltered suburban white males who are mad when white supremacy doesn't work in their favor because they are not part of the "in crowd" for whatever reason. I've never met a single libertarians who didn't hold white supremacist viewpoints about black people in general. 90% of them are socially awkward and the ones that aren't are usually prejudice to some degree. That's why sites like st0rmfr0nt support libertarian causes and the site's owner is good friends with Ron Paul and other libertarians.

 

[DEAD7]

I don't think it's anti-Black, but I think it is very naïve when it comes to dealing with the natural human tendency towards tribalism, and unintentionally or otherwise, opens the door to majoritarian tyranny.

But that aside, I find it bizarre that none of the thinkers I listed above live up to the standards that Libertarianism supposedly preaches. And we're not talking about 19th or 18th century thinkers here (though ironically John Stuart Mill was less prejudiced than Mises, despite predating him by a century,) so being from a different time is no excuse. Can Libertarianism even be concretely separated from these tendencies that seem to have been with it since its origin? Sure, we can think about it in the abstract, but I mean as a matter of really-existing people.

In a libertarian society where nonaggression is the law, what threat exactly does tribalism pose?
I think there are some big misconceptions about what libertarianism is exactly(by both blacks and racist whites) and a belief that the rights of the individual it emphasizes will not extend to minorities... which is silly.

Moreover, racism is a collectivist idea IMO, it places people in categories which fly's totally against libertarianism and its exaltation of the individual. You dont have rights because your black, asian, gay, or muslim. Everything comes from and centers on you as an individual.
Libertarianism, is beginning to seem like socialism, in the sense that all past examples pointed at can be dismissed as not being true libertarianism.











Question: Do African Americans believe that any attack on “Big Government” is, implicitly, an attack on them and their collective aspirations?

 

[DEAD7]

I even got into an argument with one because they DESPISED the civil rights act and tried to argue that it was a violation of a business's rights. They said if a business would be racist in the private sector then they would lose money so the free market is incentivized to NOT be racist.

Early blacks solved this problem by starting their own business's to serve our community.
Could you imagine in todays global economy, whites saying we dont want to do business with nonwhites Follow your assumption all the way to its conclusion and you will see how the market rewards racism.