Prominent Libertarian publication Reason's racist history exposed

[The Real]

Didn't want to paste both in, because they're so long, but they're worth reading:

http://pando.com/2014/07/24/as-reas...a-copy-of-its-holocaust-denial-special-issue/

http://pando.com/2014/07/18/homopho...-libertarian-reboot-conference-is-a-cesspool/

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

 

[DEAD7]

Surprisingly good reads.

For the past few months, I’ve been sifting back through Reason’s archives to try to understand the dark origins of all this flashy libertarian patter that’s being repackaged and sold to today’s Silicon Valley entrepreneurs as “bold” and “new” thinking.

This made me laugh.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Libertarians and racism? No way!

 

[DEAD7]

To the point though(and my pleas), how much weight are we placing on the racist history of organizations in this country?

Cause this sort of white supremacy can be found everywhere in this country, among all ideologies/parties etc... especially if we are willing to go back 40-50yrs.


I'd also argue that the core tenets hold true independent of the racism added by the whites of the time. For example:

“As all libertarians should know, unlimited democracies tend towards totalitarian systems, with the rulers competing with each other to control the political machinery. Some years ago, the whites realized that a democracy may deteriorate into a dictatorship in the ‘wrong’ hands—especially when those hands have the wrong color to boot.”

The red was true, and is still true IMHO, its the racism added to it that is ignorant bullsh*t.

Moreover, I believe its America, that is racist(culturally), not any of the ideologies(themselves) within it.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

 

[DEAD7]

 

[The Real]

Libertarians and racism? No way!

This is the thing that confuses me. Libertarians always say that things like racism, anti-Semitism, and even sexism are incidental, not part of true Libertarianism, which is all about inviolable individual rights and people ignoring group-level generalizations and categorizations, but I can't think of a single major Libertarian thinker or publication that wasn't or isn't guilty of some form of serious prejudice. Is there even a history of Libertarianism that can be separated out from the history of racism and conservative, anti-women views in this country?

HAYEK: I don’t have many strong dislikes. I admit that as a teacher—I have no racial prejudices in general—but there were certain types, and conspicuous among them the Near Eastern populations, which I still dislike because they are fundamentally dishonest. And I must say dishonesty is a thing I intensely dislike. It was a type which, in my childhood in Austria, was described as Levantine, typical of the people of the eastern Mediterranean. But I encountered it later, and I have a profound dislike for the typical Indian students at the London School of Economics, which I admit are all one type—Bengali moneylender sons. They are to me a detestable type, I admit, but not with any racial feeling. I have found a little of the same amongst the Egyptians —basically a lack of honesty in them.

Mises: "..the women’s movement seeks to make women the equal of men….But the difference between sexual character and sexual destiny can no more be decreed away than other inequalities of mankind."

"because the functions of sex have the first claim upon woman, genius and the greatest achievements have been denied her"

"it is not marriage which keeps woman inwardly unfree, but the fact that her sexual character demands surrender to a man”


Rothbard: "Upon the publication by the respected Establishment, The Free Press, of Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray's The Bell Curve, expressing in massively stupefying scholarly detail what everyone has always known but couldn't dare to express about race, intelligence, and heritability, the dam suddenly burst."

Ron Paul:


Mises Institute:


Peter Thiel: Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women - two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians - have rendered the notion of "capitalist democracy" into an oxymoron.

 

[NZA]

old people on the right wing of the political spectrum do damage to us, young people on the right wing of the political spectrum ostensibly no longer want to damage us but want to avoid policies aimed at repairing the damage of their senior cacs. that's why i cant rock with them then or now.

 

[DEAD7]

This is the thing that confuses me.

Libertarianism condones(for lack of a better word) racism at the individual level, but rejects it systemically.

Liberatarians argue constantly that [insert state provision] is racist or has a negative impact on minorities, while attacks on libertarianism as racist center around racist individuals/organizations.

 

[The Real]

Libertarianism condones(for lack of a better word) racism at the individual level, but rejects it systemically.

Liberatarians argue constantly that [insert state provision] is racist or has a negative impact on minorities, while attacks on libertarianism as racist center around racist individuals/organizations.

Ok, but why is it that every major Libertarian thinker or politician over the last 100 years has had bigoted views towards at least one group of people?

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm shocked

 

[DEAD7]

Ok, but why is it that every major Libertarian thinker or politician over the last 100 years has had bigoted views towards at least one group of people?

I think its a combination of American culture which rest atop a slowly diminishing pillar of bigotry and racism, and the fact that those with bigoted mindsets, are naturally attracted to ideologies, that allow them to be... bigoted.

If you insert libertarian ideologies into a racially homogeneous society nothing about them changes. This is because they are not tide to race(as often portrayed) but tide to belief in the liberty and freedom from aggression of the individual.

Personally I don't see racism itself as a 'problem' we should be tackling/concerned with.
Its systemic white supremacy that frightens me.






Side note, I often denounce the conservative talking point, that anyone opposing "the left" is simply labeled racist, but it really is the go to argument isnt it?
Not to say it isnt warranted, but it really seems like the go to attack.

 

[DEAD7]

Can anyone explain specifically how libertarianism itself is anti-black, or harms black people specifically?

 

[tmonster]