Producer brehs, get in here and tell me something

[Rigby.]

Alright so I joined this producing club at a new school, right, and they recommended FL or Ableton

Homeboy hasn't hooked me up with the full FL yet so I'm rolling with an Ableton demo until then (and I'll try to familiarize with both)

I've done like two tutorial topics so far on Ableton, but is there any tips on how to become an expert?

 

[Wildin]

Alright so I joined this producing club at a new school, right, and they recommended FL or Ableton

Homeboy hasn't hooked me up with the full FL yet so I'm rolling with an Ableton demo until then (and I'll try to familiarize with both)

I've done like two tutorial topics so far on Ableton, but is there any tips on how to become an expert?

The only way to become an expert is to make tons and tons of beats. You probably don't want to hear that but you are only an expert when you have found your sound and can execute properly and the only way to do that is to make tons and tons of beats. Obviously there are the bare basics like creating a four bar loop, eight bar loop, 16 bar etc. understanding 16th notes, quarter notes, half notes and what not.

There are some gurus out there that know a lot of technical shyt like the in's and outs of FL, Ableton, MPC, Reason, Maschine, etc plus have their own sound. Not only do these people make good music but they are like walking manuals for gear or the gear that they use/used. Then there are 'experts' who dont know shyt technical but can sit down on FL or an MPC etc and put together great fukking beats. It all really depends on what type of 'expert' you want to become. You can read the manuals that come with FL and Ableton and utilize practical application (i.e. read something or watch a tutorial then do it yourself) and become a technical expert while you make beats then make more and more beats and become that technical expert or you can say fukk it and learn what you need day by day step by step as you craft and learn to make beats and more and more beats you make you'll become better. At the end of the day no matter which route you take you gotta make more and more beats.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

The only way to become an expert is to make tons and tons of beats. You probably don't want to hear that but you are only an expert when you have found your sound and can execute properly and the only way to do that is to make tons and tons of beats. Obviously there are the bare basics like creating a four bar loop, eight bar loop, 16 bar etc. understanding 16th notes, quarter notes, half notes and what not.

There are some gurus out there that know a lot of technical shyt like the in's and outs of FL, Ableton, MPC, Reason, Maschine, etc plus have their own sound. Not only do these people make good music but they are like walking manuals for gear or the gear that they use/used. Then there are 'experts' who dont know shyt technical but can sit down on FL or an MPC etc and put together great fukking beats. It all really depends on what type of 'expert' you want to become. You can read the manuals that come with FL and Ableton and utilize practical application (i.e. read something or watch a tutorial then do it yourself) and become a technical expert while you make beats then make more and more beats and become that technical expert or you can say fukk it and learn what you need day by day step by step as you craft and learn to make beats and more and more beats you make you'll become better. At the end of the day no matter which route you take you gotta make more and more beats.

Very true indeed, I'm actually a guy who doesn't know shyt technically but i have the patience to try things out and make it work that way.
But i really want to learn though. But there's so got damn much too learn about producing that it discourages me to even begin. feel me?

 

[Rigby.]

The only way to become an expert is to make tons and tons of beats. You probably don't want to hear that but you are only an expert when you have found your sound and can execute properly and the only way to do that is to make tons and tons of beats. Obviously there are the bare basics like creating a four bar loop, eight bar loop, 16 bar etc. understanding 16th notes, quarter notes, half notes and what not.

There are some gurus out there that know a lot of technical shyt like the in's and outs of FL, Ableton, MPC, Reason, Maschine, etc plus have their own sound. Not only do these people make good music but they are like walking manuals for gear or the gear that they use/used. Then there are 'experts' who dont know shyt technical but can sit down on FL or an MPC etc and put together great fukking beats. It all really depends on what type of 'expert' you want to become. You can read the manuals that come with FL and Ableton and utilize practical application (i.e. read something or watch a tutorial then do it yourself) and become a technical expert while you make beats then make more and more beats and become that technical expert or you can say fukk it and learn what you need day by day step by step as you craft and learn to make beats and more and more beats you make you'll become better. At the end of the day no matter which route you take you gotta make more and more beats.

Very informative post

 

[kingdizzy01]

cop an mpc

 

[Wildin]

Very informative post

I forgot who it is but someone in the tunnel used to work for akai and Supreme from Wu-tang used to call akai support and ask basic questions. The dude talked about that and had a bunch of pics. I'll link it here if you want. But yea that dude could make beats but wasn't technical.

Just blaze is very technical he wrote a s a thing review of the mpc 5000 and they changed/fixed everything he bytched about in an update.

 

[Music Fiend]

I think picking an interface has a lot to do with how you will work and what type of person you are.

FL can be amazing because of all the tutorials out there for it, but it can be a HUGE pain in the ass if you are not an organanized person. This is because of the patterns which start off easy but if you don't have the discipline to and patience to create tons of patterns and name them well, and drag and drop to create a full track. You are better off without patterns.

Same with ableton except the learning curve is much greater. Get yourself a demo version of studio one 3 and try it out. It has a legacy sequencer which will place all your tracks in real-time instead of patterns. I personally am much better when I can create viewing the full scope of song while recording.

 

[Rigby.]

I think picking an interface has a lot to do with how you will work and what type of person you are.

FL can be amazing because of all the tutorials out there for it, but it can be a HUGE pain in the ass if you are not an organanized person. This is because of the patterns which start off easy but if you don't have the discipline to and patience to create tons of patterns and name them well, and drag and drop to create a full track. You are better off without patterns.

Same with ableton except the learning curve is much greater. Get yourself a demo version of studio one 3 and try it out. It has a legacy sequencer which will place all your tracks in real-time instead of patterns. I personally am much better when I can create viewing the full scope of song while recording.

I'm rolling through Ableton right now and the tutorials until I get stuck

 

[Music Fiend]

I'm rolling through Ableton right now and the tutorials until I get stuck

That's good but tbh I'd start with fl or studio one if I were you. Much easier and if you get to a point where u want to switch to ableton you'll know exactly what to look for it'll just be in a different place or workflow. I'd get to know a few off the bat before you put in time.

I put in 2 years on reason and it turned out to be a waste because I wanted to be able to do more in the program.

 

[Rigby.]

That's good but tbh I'd start with fl or studio one if I were you. Much easier and if you get to a point where u want to switch to ableton you'll know exactly what to look for it'll just be in a different place or workflow. I'd get to know a few off the bat before you put in time.

I put in 2 years on reason and it turned out to be a waste because I wanted to be able to do more in the program.

That's what my homie said, but this nikka that's a borderline professional said to just throw myself in Ableton :floydm:

 

[901Cory10]

Alright so I joined this producing club at a new school, right, and they recommended FL or Ableton

Homeboy hasn't hooked me up with the full FL yet so I'm rolling with an Ableton demo until then (and I'll try to familiarize with both)

I've done like two tutorial topics so far on Ableton, but is there any tips on to become an expert?

only way to become a expert is to put in the work point blank period! you hear something you like learn how to do it in whatever DAW you choose learn the techniques your musical ear will come with time as to what you like and dont like what sounds good to you and what doesn't..learn at least one scale and how the chords in that scale sound together...then you will be able to transpose on your midi board to whatever scale you choose and it will expand your sound thats what i do anyways....and last enjoy the shyt mane...i been doing beats since 2008 nothing can quite replicate the feeling of making a beat playing it back and getting the chills!

 

[Wildin]

That's the thing, a lot of people learn the basics in one then explore different work flows and find one that is most comfortable. Reason is or was a great start because it's very simple to pick whatever and put something down whether you are painting or using a midi controller or both.

Most daws and hardware can do the same shyt but they use different buttons and clicks. It's just a matter of navigating that tool but knowing the basics and foundation is half the battle otherwise you are literally starting from scratch every time you try something new.

That's good but tbh I'd start with fl or studio one if I were you. Much easier and if you get to a point where u want to switch to ableton you'll know exactly what to look for it'll just be in a different place or workflow. I'd get to know a few off the bat before you put in time.

I put in 2 years on reason and it turned out to be a waste because I wanted to be able to do more in the program.

That's what my homie said, but this nikka that's a borderline professional said to just throw myself in Ableton :floydm:

 

[Rigby.]

@nikkahs B. Wildin I just finished a set on Ableton. I paused and played different instruments for about a minute and got the sound I wanted. Only problem is I don't know how to record

 

[Wildin]

@nikkahs B. Wildin I just finished a set on Ableton. I paused and played different instruments for about a minute and got the sound I wanted. Only problem is I don't know how to record

Ok....are you using ableton 9 demo?

What I dont fully understand is are you or did you just choose sounds and play with them individually until you found something you like by freestyling or were you able to create patterns within the tracks?

If you are in session mode (which im pretty sure is the default) you are able to go to create, then insert midi track and choose your sample then within the track you are able to select different...for lack of a better term tracks..

like picture them in column mode

[Drums]
[Pattern 1]
[Pattern 2]
[Pattern 3]

You can hit record at the top then simply click on which ever pattern you want in sequence, or you can push tab and in arrangement mode drag and drop the patterns and sequences.

I have very little experience with ableton, I have a boy who uses it and I used it once at his crib and that was pretty much the basis of what I did, he had some sounds loaded and I dragged and dropped a couple patterns to the arrangement, I painted or pasted a couple notes on the piano roll and played them back, and I did kind of the live record/overdub where I hit record then pushed play on the patterns and sequences and it recorded.

 

[Rigby.]

Ok....are you using ableton 9 demo?

What I dont fully understand is are you or did you just choose sounds and play with them individually until you found something you like by freestyling or were you able to create patterns within the tracks?

If you are in session mode (which im pretty sure is the default) you are able to go to create, then insert midi track and choose your sample then within the track you are able to select different...for lack of a better term tracks..

like picture them in column mode

[Drums]
[Pattern 1]
[Pattern 2]
[Pattern 3]

You can hit record at the top then simply click on which ever pattern you want in sequence, or you can push tab and in arrangement mode drag and drop the patterns and sequences.

I have very little experience with ableton, I have a boy who uses it and I used it once at his crib and that was pretty much the basis of what I did, he had some sounds loaded and I dragged and dropped a couple patterns to the arrangement, I painted or pasted a couple notes on the piano roll and played them back, and I did kind of the live record/overdub where I hit record then pushed play on the patterns and sequences and it recorded.

Ableton 9 live demo premium/suite... shyt is convoluted as hell. I understand how to throw it all together, and I hit the record button, just didn't get a result from it