President Macron betrays Left Wing progressive coalition that helped him win; appoints Conservative Prime Minister

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Seriously the entire West going to Conservative shyt outside of America.

Once again, we're going to lead and once again those European countries will have their hands out for us to bail them out down the road after the Far Right screws them over.

They'll eventually put pressure on Kamala/Walz to help them out for going fascist, watch.

Time to tell them to fix their own problems caused by buying into the Far Right hoopla.

Those people have done so much damage to progress the last 50 years :wow:
LMAO at thinking Europe is more conservative than AmeriKKKa
I bet you think Democrats are “Left Wing” too then :russ:
Imagine that disillusioned from reality :dead:
 

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Idk about us trending in the other direction. More so people seeking a clean slate from trump. The question is will a more refined Conservative program manifest during Kamala's presidency assuming she wins.

The side show stuff is coming to an end
The thing is potentially we got Kamala 2024-2028 and most likely a follow-up with Newsom x2 from 2028-2032 and most likely 2032-2036.

So we're actually staring down 12 years of Democratic leadership.

If Republlicans lose, which I think they do, they have a steep hill to climb.
 

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LMAO at thinking Europe is more conservative than AmeriKKKa.
I bet you think democrats are “Left Wing” too :russ:
Imagine that disillusioned from reality :dead:
How many Conservative Presidents/Prime Ministers does each European county have?

Now how many does America have?
 

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The news is Kamala and America probably sends Trump and MAGA to the shadow realm in November while Italy is just getting far more Conservative as we speak.

Germany just went full on Right Wing, again for the first time since 1945 :merchant:

Meanwhile:

Their right wing is our Conservative. Their centrists are our liberals. We don't have an equivalent for their liberals.



1. **Social Policies**:
- **Europe**: Most European countries are generally more socially liberal than the U.S. This is evident in policies related to healthcare, education, and social welfare. Many European nations, particularly in Northern and Western Europe, provide universal healthcare, generous paid parental leave, and higher levels of income redistribution through taxation.
- **U.S.**: The U.S. tends to be more conservative, particularly on economic issues. Although there is growing support for universal healthcare, policies like social welfare, paid parental leave, and labor rights are more limited compared to Europe. However, in recent years, the U.S. has become more socially liberal on issues such as same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization.

2. **Economic Structures**:
- **Europe**: Many European nations, especially in Scandinavia, operate with a "social democracy" model, balancing free markets with a robust welfare state. Higher taxes fund universal services, which are seen as a form of wealth redistribution.
- **U.S.**: The U.S. leans more toward a free-market capitalist model. Although social programs exist, they are less extensive than in Europe, and the taxation levels, especially for higher earners, are lower. This reflects a more conservative approach to government intervention in the economy.

3. **Cultural Attitudes**:
- **Europe**: Social attitudes in Europe are typically more progressive, especially in areas such as climate change, LGBTQ+ rights, and secularism. Countries like Sweden, Germany, and the Netherlands are known for their liberal social attitudes.
- **U.S.**: While urban areas and coastal regions in the U.S. tend to be socially liberal, rural areas and much of the South and Midwest remain more socially conservative. Issues like gun rights and religion play a larger role in American politics compared to most European countries.

In general, Europe is considered more liberal than the U.S., particularly in social policies, but there are nuances depending on the country and region being compared within both the U.S. and Europe.

 

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The thing is potentially we got Kamala 2024-2028 and most likely a follow-up with Newsom x2 from 2028-2032 and most likely 2032-2036.

So we're actually staring down 12 years of Democratic leadership.

If Republlicans lose, which I think they do, they have a steep hill to climb.

You're too optimistic. You are assuming Kamala wins and her reign will be seen in a positive light. Kamala winning is a No trump thing, not a normal "let's see what you got" situation. The fact you bring up Newsome in 28 highlights this. If we really believed in Kamala we would be talking about her next 8 years.

This is why I said it will be interesting to see what the GOP cooks up for the post trump era
 

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You're too optimistic. You are assuming Kamala wins and her reign will be seen in a positive light. Kamala winning is a No trump thing, not a normal "let's see what you got" situation. The fact you bring up Newsome in 28 highlights this. If we really believed in Kamala we would be talking about her next 8 years.

This is why I said it will be interesting to see what the GOP cooks up for the post trump era
There is no post Trump. Just like there isn't a post Reagan. Both presidents were extremely successful for republican policies and platforms. They will keep parts of MAGA and incorporate it into the party platform just like they did Reaganomics and deregulation.

Even the democrats are appealing to Conservatives with parts of Trump policy
 

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There is no post Trump. Just like there isn't a post Reagan. Both presidents were extremely successful for republican policies and platforms. They will keep parts of MAGA and incorporate it into the party platform just like they did Reaganomics and deregulation.

Even the democrats are appealing to Conservatives with parts of Trump policy

The ideals don't change my point is the messaging. If the messaging doesn't change the GOP simply won't exist after a while and something new will arise. The generational demo's simply are coming to an end so we can't compare reganomics to current MAGA being that boomers were a bulk of the voting age in both, so if anything MAGA might be end of lifecycle being that Millenials are shifting to the biggest group.
 

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There is no post Trump. Just like there isn't a post Reagan. Both presidents were extremely successful for republican policies and platforms. They will keep parts of MAGA and incorporate it into the party platform just like they did Reaganomics and deregulation.

Even the democrats are appealing to Conservatives with parts of Trump policy
:jbhmm:What trump policy are dem using to get the :mjpls: vote ? because let be honest that what the conservative voter are .
 

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:jbhmm:What trump policy are dem using to get the :mjpls: vote ? because let be honest that what the conservative voter are .
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You're too optimistic. You are assuming Kamala wins and her reign will be seen in a positive light. Kamala winning is a No trump thing, not a normal "let's see what you got" situation. The fact you bring up Newsome in 28 highlights this. If we really believed in Kamala we would be talking about her next 8 years.

This is why I said it will be interesting to see what the GOP cooks up for the post trump era
If they lose again, and lose midterms there probably will be a massive restructuring.

This republican party is not the same party where a guy like George Bush would be elected in. His comments after 9/11 where he said "Islam is a religion of peace" and refused to stoke hatred of Arabs and Muslims would make him a weakling in today's neofascist republican party.

They need a fresh start. One that taps into their heritage of Lincoln and focuses on restoring the things people actually liked.

Walkable cities, government staying out of private business(don't reward poor management and a lack of competitiveness by just slapping tariffs on competing products coming from abroad. Japan didn't destroy the American auto manufacturers. People are still driving American made cars) government protecting your privacy from those who want to invade it, including government themselves. An understanding that the second ammendment only applies to what it said in the fukking document "a well regulated militia" making it easier to sue big corporations and government itself if harm is caused.

Restoring the regulations that were put in with bipartisan support after America's worst economic crisis. Respecting the warning of a previous republican president who told us all to prevent the military industrial complex from growing. Fixing the problem of illegal immigration by supporting governments in those countries to create mutually beneficial economic treaties and security agreements.

There is a version of the republican party that exists where people would actually want to vote for them because they offer attractive policies. That version can only exist if this current version continues to take L after L and their methods of cheating are outlawed and law enforcement when it comes to this gets supercharged with massive amounts of funding and staff.

Harris has to make sure that another Donald Trump can't happen again for at least another 50 years with strong regulations and policy changes.
 

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If they lose again, and lose midterms there probably will be a massive restructuring.

This republican party is not the same party where a guy like George Bush would be elected in. His comments after 9/11 where he said "Islam is a religion of peace" and refused to stoke hatred of Arabs and Muslims would make him a weakling in today's neofascist republican party.

They need a fresh start. One that taps into their heritage of Lincoln and focuses on restoring the things people actually liked.

Walkable cities, government staying out of private business(don't reward poor management and a lack of competitiveness by just slapping tariffs on competing products coming from abroad. Japan didn't destroy the American auto manufacturers. People are still driving American made cars) government protecting your privacy from those who want to invade it, including government themselves. An understanding that the second ammendment only applies to what it said in the fukking document "a well regulated militia" making it easier to sue big corporations and government itself if harm is caused.

Restoring the regulations that were put in with bipartisan support after America's worst economic crisis. Respecting the warning of a previous republican president who told us all to prevent the military industrial complex from growing. Fixing the problem of illegal immigration by supporting governments in those countries to create mutually beneficial economic treaties and security agreements.

There is a version of the republican party that exists where people would actually want to vote for them because they offer attractive policies. That version can only exist if this current version continues to take L after L and their methods of cheating are outlawed and law enforcement when it comes to this gets supercharged with massive amounts of funding and staff.

Harris has to make sure that another Donald Trump can't happen again for at least another 50 years with strong regulations and policy changes.

The thing is I can see the Dems splitting and the more centrist side + the pre trump era GOP becoming the new "right".
 
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