POTUS or Prisoner; The '24 Trump Campaign Fvckery thread

[Piff Perkins]

At this point, Trump even being alive and being a spoiler for the 2024 Republican primaries is almost making it a wash and practically giving Biden re-election on a silver platter...

You can already see where this is going. Another 2012/2016 primary with too many candidates, too many embarrassing debate stage answers, and too much chaos. The idea that I'm supposed to expect that to result in Trump NOT winning is laughable.

I'd also ask people to go watch DeSantis' debates. Watch his stump speeches. He's a stiff, and bragging about fukking with trans kids is not some badge of honor when half the stage will be bragging about similar shyt.

 

[the cac mamba]

You can already see where this is going. Another 2012/2016 primary with too many candidates

what makes you think that?

literally every republican in washington is out the cruzs, rubios, none of these pussies will dare be perceived as challenging trump

so its trump, desantis, and a handful of administrators like haley and pence who get 2 percent. who else do you see getting in?

 

[Piff Perkins]

what makes you think that?

literally every republican in washington is out the cruzs, rubios, none of these pussies will dare be perceived as challenging trump

so its trump, desantis, and a handful of administrators like haley and pence who get 2 percent. who else do you see getting in?

Larry Hogan, Chris Sununu, John Bolton, at least one black person (Larry Elder), and a host of other people are gonna run dude. It'll be another shyt show of redundant candidate-types and carnival barkers that allow Trump to entertain and deflect while running away with the nomination.

Way too many people ran in 2012 and the only thing it did was force Romney to move (too far) right in order to win. Even more people ran in 2016 and we know how that turned out. Granted a fair retort to me would be that even if a lot of people run, by the time most Americans start paying attention the field will be down to maybe 5-6 people. I'd accept that argument under normal circumstances however...nothing Trump participates in is normal. His mere presence ensures more attention, more views, more streams, more viral moments from the minute the process begins this summer and fall. Consider the timing too. We're gonna go from insane house republicans holding the country hostage over the debt ceiling this summer to the first primary debates in August. With Trump throwing his weight around in both situations, making insane statements.

 

[Json]

He's moving the GOP needle in more meaningful ways than Trump is. Trump is all rabble-rousing. DeSatan is actually pushing policies.

Anytime a campaign’s strongest argument is “I’m not this guy” it usually tanks. It sunk Kerry, Romney, and McCain.

DeSantis hasn’t acted like a front runner cause he isn’t. He has a bunch of outsiders saying he is. Once he actually steps up he’s going to actually have to make his case for a national run which isn’t going to happen fighting AP AA studies and Disney except to mostly the people Trump already has access to.

 

[the elastic]

Anytime a campaign’s strongest argument is “I’m not this guy” it usually tanks. It sunk Kerry, Romney, and McCain.

DeSantis hasn’t acted like a front runner cause he isn’t. He has a bunch of outsiders saying he is. Once he actually steps up he’s going to actually have to make his case for a national run which isn’t going to happen fighting AP AA studies and Disney except to mostly the people Trump already has access to.

That's not DeSantis' strongest argument though. His biggest strength is articulating and manifesting white supremacist policy in a very calculated and professional way.

DeSantis hasn't even came at Trump directly yet or even said anything remotely close to "I'm better than that guy". That just is a naturally occurring sentiment within the GOP ranks.

I guess this will be the real litmus test for white America in the 2020s. Will they nominate a moderate republican at a time where moderates are seen as corporate puppets and traitors? Or will they bring Trump back or DeSantis in and hope that the independents rock with well-dressed white supremacy?

 

[the cac mamba]

uh oh

 

[Json]

That's not DeSantis' strongest argument though. His biggest strength is articulating and manifesting white supremacist policy in a very calculated and professional way.

DeSantis hasn't even came at Trump directly yet or even said anything remotely close to "I'm better than that guy". That just is a naturally occurring sentiment within the GOP ranks.

I guess this will be the real litmus test for white America in the 2020s. Will they nominate a moderate republican at a time where moderates are seen as corporate puppets and traitors? Or will they bring Trump back or DeSantis in and hope that the independents rock with well-dressed white supremacy?

That’s not what these primary voters want though. That’s why the craziest won the primaries in congressional races.


You’re close but the “better then/not that guy” isn’t the same thing. DeSantis isn‘t going to come out and say he’s better than Trump. That might endanger his appeal to MAGA. The “not that guy” argument is a softer way of not attacking the opponent. It’s simply moving on…. which is exactly his argument.

I don’t think moderation is going to be the question facing Republicans at the primary level(election deniers did well in 2022 at the primary level). And that’s the danger to DeSantis. Trump is going to have a say on what that question is.

 

[the cac mamba]

this is exactly why newsom would beat trump, and desantis would beat biden

 

[the elastic]

I don’t think moderation is going to be the question facing Republicans at the primary level(election deniers did well in 2022 at the primary level). And that’s the danger to DeSantis. Trump is going to have a say on what that question is.

I personally feel like Trump lost of ton of clout overall and pissed off more of his supporters than he galvanized. His biggest thing going is that he won before. I don't see what else there is for him to lean on.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Anytime a campaign’s strongest argument is “I’m not this guy” it usually tanks. It sunk Kerry, Romney, and McCain.

DeSantis hasn’t acted like a front runner cause he isn’t. He has a bunch of outsiders saying he is. Once he actually steps up he’s going to actually have to make his case for a national run which isn’t going to happen fighting AP AA studies and Disney except to mostly the people Trump already has access to.

I think a lot of liberals are overestimating DeSantis because they've only been exposed to him via liberal sources. A headline from your favorite news twitter page, or a short 30 second clip of him talking. I implore people to go watch his actual speeches, or his actual debates. He sucks. I don't say that because I disagree with him. He simply lacks charisma and for all the tough talk he does about trans/gay/etc shyt, when he faces any push back he starts looking like a pumpkin. You can literally watch him attempting to imitate Trump.

Trump is gonna come out swinging at him over the next few months and there will be dirty tactics as well. DeSantis clearly doesn't want to attack Trump right now because he realizes he needs the MAGA base, but once the gloves come off how will that work? I think it's gonna end up somewhat like the 2020 democrat primaries, where multiple candidates spent insane amounts of time attacking Obama (and by proxy, Biden) when in reality, the vast majority of democratic voters love Obama. Attacking Trump or saying it's time to "turn the page" only serves to engage his base.

 

[Json]

I personally feel like Trump lost of ton of clout overall and pissed off more of his supporters than he galvanized. His biggest thing going is that he won before. I don't see what else there is for him to lean on.

I agree with you he’s lost clout but also I’m not a Trumper so it’s hard to guess about what galvanize them.

I feel like he always represented something else to them. And now he represents something else to a smaller amount, but that smaller amount is enough to tank Republicans nationally and in certain primary states with all or nothing delegates.

 

[the elastic]

I feel like he always represented something else to them. And now he represents something else to a smaller amount, but that smaller amount is enough to tank Republicans nationally and in certain primary states with all or nothing delegates.

Ok, now I'm seeing your scope. I almost always forget how powerful those backwater counties are in the Presidential primaries, especially in the GOP.

 

[Json]

I think a lot of liberals are overestimating DeSantis because they've only been exposed to him via liberal sources. A headline from your favorite news twitter page, or a short 30 second clip of him talking. I implore people to go watch his actual speeches, or his actual debates. He sucks. I don't say that because I disagree with him. He simply lacks charisma and for all the tough talk he does about trans/gay/etc shyt, when he faces any push back he starts looking like a pumpkin. You can literally watch him attempting to imitate Trump.

Trump is gonna come out swinging at him over the next few months and there will be dirty tactics as well. DeSantis clearly doesn't want to attack Trump right now because he realizes he needs the MAGA base, but once the gloves come off how will that work? I think it's gonna end up somewhat like the 2020 democrat primaries, where multiple candidates spent insane amounts of time attacking Obama (and by proxy, Biden) when in reality, the vast majority of democratic voters love Obama. Attacking Trump or saying it's time to "turn the page" only serves to engage his base.

Yeah I’m trying not allow my liberal bias about him but he reminds me of John Kerry. Good representation of party values and a good backstory but didn’t have the charisma to carry a national campaign

 

[Micky Mikey]

That's not DeSantis' strongest argument though. His biggest strength is articulating and manifesting white supremacist policy in a very calculated and professional way.

DeSantis hasn't even came at Trump directly yet or even said anything remotely close to "I'm better than that guy". That just is a naturally occurring sentiment within the GOP ranks.

I guess this will be the real litmus test for white America in the 2020s. Will they nominate a moderate republican at a time where moderates are seen as corporate puppets and traitors? Or will they bring Trump back or DeSantis in and hope that the independents rock with well-dressed white supremacy?

You can always count on white America as a collective to make the most unconscionable decision.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Koch Network Vows to Deny Trump White House

The Koch network is signaling it will put its considerable resources toward nominating someone other than Trump for 2024

time.com

What timeline is Mark living in?