Politico: Bernie backers' attacks on Democrats infuriate the party

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[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Most of the Bernie supporters on the coli aren't democrats and don't vote.

Others are anti-capitalistism socialist or communist.

Either way, democrats will rightly respond to the criticism of outsiders.

Most Bernie supporters are just typical progressive Democrats who overwhelmingly end up voting for the Democratic candidate. But that's not as juicy if a story as the one posted. And it doesn't satisfy your urge to try and shyt on a group of people who have the audaacciittyy to disagree with you.

Don't be a follower, you're better than that.

 

[Pressure]

Most Bernie supporters are just typical progressive Democrats who overwhelmingly end up voting for the Democratic candidate. But that's not as juicy if a story as the one posted. And it doesn't satisfy your urge to try and shyt on a group of people who have the audaacciittyy to disagree with you.

Don't be a follower, you're better than that.

If I were a follower I'd just go full Nap or Burna.

I'm old enough, lived enough, participated enough, and work enough to form a thoughtful but adequate political view based on my needs and values.

However, I did not reference Bernie supporters in general. I specifically referred to those I see on the Coli.

So slow your roll and don't look for a reason to be upset

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

If I were a follower I'd just go full Nap or Burna.

I'm old enough, lived enough, participated enough, and work enough to form a thoughtful but adequate political view based on my needs and values.

However, I did not reference Bernie supporters in general. I specifically referred to those I see on the Coli.

So slow your roll and don't look for a reason to be upset

Breh, you just said "Either way, democrats will rightly respond to the criticism of outsiders."

My point being that they're not outsiders - they're Democrats. The fact that Bernie is an Independent is meaningless. They are Democrats and overwhelmingly vote accordingly.

I'm starting to wonder about some of you Establishment types. It's almost as though you WANT to lose.

As a matter of pure political strategy, when the GOP saw the energy of the Tea Party in 2009, they realized what they had, jumped on for the ride and rode it to victory after victory. Dems have that same opportunity and true to form the people who are honorable losers are all ....ok guys hold on hold on...we can't be for Medicare for all, the GOP will call us socialists!!!

 

[Pressure]

My point being that they're not outsiders - they're Democrats. The fact that Bernie is an Independent is meaningless. They are Democrats and overwhelmingly vote accordingly.

Bernie Sanders is not a democrat as well as most independents. Criticism from people who aren't party affiliated should receive criticism when they make unfounded criticisms of people such as Kamala Harris or even Nancy Pelosi. Expecting party aligned democrats not to is naive. Point blank period.

I'm starting to wonder about some of you Establishment types. It's almost as though you WANT to lose.

I live in NC. My views for what I think democrats need is going to differ significantly than someone in Vermont or CA. That's to be expected. This leads me to the final sentence of the quote. Saying democrats are not winning because they aren't far enough left across the board is false. You're going to lose seats in more moderate more conservative areas.

ok guys hold on hold on...we can't be for Medicare for all, the GOP will call us socialists!!!

Actually, my opinion is in order to pass something like Medicare for all, single payer or UHC you're going to need to convince those who are all ready well of with their insurance, like their coverage, has it covered, and paid for by there system why it's important for them to support it and how it will affect THEM financially.

This is a group who votes at a higher clip consistently. So it's important to sell them on it or get the other group out voter more often.

As a matter of pure political strategy, when the GOP saw the energy of the Tea Party in 2009, they realized what they had, jumped on for the ride and rode it to victory after victory. Dems have that same opportunity and true to form the people who are honorable losers are all

The pendulum swings both ways. Now they have a majority but can't pass major laws because they're so divided.

 

[William F. Russell]

The Establishment just won't learn...

 

[Robbie3000]

For example?

In most of the areas where progress was ranked Clinton's platform would be considered progressive.

There seems to be a disconnect when criticising her between her actual platform and how she campaigned that platform.

Let's start with Healthcare. Most Dems would agree that affordable access to healthcare for all is the ultimate goal. Why not start with a strong position of extending Medicare for all and if that is not possible, compromise on something like a public option.

Instead, the Dems offer up as a starting position, a GOP plan like ACA which they naively hope the GOP will support. It's not unlike Charlie Brown hoping that Lucy won't snatch the football at the last moment.

I want Dems to stand with conviction and only compromise when it's absolutely necessary.

But I don't think the establishment Dems want to change the system anyway. They owe favors to special interests and so they pretend to have no choice but to offer watered down middle of the road policies in the name of expediency and bipartisanship which corporate donors who donate to both parties can live with.

This goes for trade, taxes, minimum wage hikes etc.

Sad.

 

[Battle Beast]

The leftist criticism of the Democratic Party is well deserved imo, in court they admitted that the primary was rigged in favor of Clinton, case against them only got dismissed because the judge said the DNC can technically rig it how they like that if you want to rebuff them do it in the votes.

As sinister as the Republican Party is at least they let whatever happens, happen as far as the votes and keeping their primaries intact as far as integrity and running fair primary.

Nobody likes dishonesty and dishonest people especially when they know they are being lied to they can't even speak the language of the people or the progressive type of language like Obama to mask their fraudulence, that's what happens when you put your system into the hands of "think tank nerds" that don't know what's going on in these streets. Progressives not getting behind establishment candidate after being fukked over by the establishment in 2016. The party will be extinct within 10 years, once they became republican lite it became the beginning of the end. Why vote for republican lite when you can vote for a republican?

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Bernie Sanders is not a democrat as well as most independents. Criticism from people who aren't party affiliated should receive criticism when they make unfounded criticisms of people such as Kamala Harris or even Nancy Pelosi. Expecting party aligned democrats not to is naive. Point blank period.

I'm not saying it surprises me. I'm saying it's stupid considering we just lost a winnable election over it.

I live in NC. My views for what I think democrats need is going to differ significantly than someone in Vermont or CA. That's to be expected. This leads me to the final sentence of the quote. Saying democrats are not winning because they aren't far enough left across the board is false. You're going to lose seats in more moderate more conservative areas.

LMAO. Catering to a dying constituency. A fear of losing moderate seats is why we're in the position we're in right now. People don't vote Democratic because our leaders are seen as feckless and lacking any real concern for working class people of all races.

Actually, my opinion is in order to pass something like Medicare for all, single payer or UHC you're going to need to convince those who are all ready well of with their insurance, like their coverage, has it covered, and paid for by there system why it's important for them to support it and how it will affect THEM financially.

This is a group who votes at a higher clip consistently. So it's important to sell them on it or get the other group out voter more often.

Absolutely. I agree with you that we need to flesh out all the details and sell it to the voters. I'm glad that Harris, Baucus and many others have been strong enough to withstand the pressure from an establishment that tried to shame/bully people from even MENTIONING the idea!

The pendulum swings both ways. Now they have a majority but can't pass major laws because they're so divided.

That's a problem we wish we had. The GOP is simply incompetent.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nothing wrong with being a Bernie supporter (in fact I was one during the primaries).

That said it is kind of annoying and counterproductive that oftentimes they spend more time attacking Hillary and the Dems than Trump.

This Hillary vs. Bernie shyt is the WOAT

We have Trump as president and GOP in control of basically the entire government, and we're worried about this? If only Hillary/Bernie/their supporters would attack Trump the way they attack each other.

What is the "attacking Trump" strategy that's lacking right now and is somehow going to result in more votes for Democrats?

If you haven't noticed, the "attack Trump" market is pretty much saturated. All liberals, nearly all the moderates and independents, and a good 1/3 of the damn Republicans are joining in on the "attack Trump" bandwagon. The idea that we're somehow lacking on Trump attacks is a dumb one.

fukk, Trump attacks himself enough for everyone already.

We don't need more attacking of Trump. We need more GOOD IDEAS. We need more INSPIRATIONAL LEADERSHIP. We need people who are going to make people vote FOR THEM, not people who are banking on everyone voting AGAINST TRUMP.

That's why attacking people who are actually calling for politicians to have some standards is bullshyt. You know why Dems lost the last election? Because they voted for a neoliberal globalist who protected the financial elite. Because they voted for someone who, for all her good policies on plenty of issues, got wealthy in public office, acted entitled as hell, and kept doing things behind the scenes that made it sure as hell look like she didn't trust the people who she was trying to get to vote for her.

We need someone who is ALWAYS for the American people. fukk this "loyal to the party" bullshyt. I don't give a rat's ass about the survival of the Democratic party as an entity, there are people alive today who remember when Dems were all a bunch of racists. If the Democrats die maybe something better will rise in their place. If the Dems DON'T want to die, then stop doing 2/3 of the same shyt to destroy the world and the nation that the neoconservatives are doing.

We NEED someone not like that to run for president in 2020. We NEED someone who doesn't look like the same fukking piece of shyt politicians who have gotten us into this neoliberal/neoconservative nightmare. And I sure haven't seen who dat gonna be yet.

 

[ORDER_66]

They should burn that entire corrupt party down.. I'm a fukking independent now. Work freelance

 

[acri1]

What is the "attacking Trump" strategy that's lacking right now and is somehow going to result in more votes for Democrats?

If you haven't noticed, the "attack Trump" market is pretty much saturated. All liberals, nearly all the moderates and independents, and a good 1/3 of the damn Republicans are joining in on the "attack Trump" bandwagon. The idea that we're somehow lacking on Trump attacks is a dumb one.

fukk, Trump attacks himself enough for everyone already.

We don't need more attacking of Trump. We need more GOOD IDEAS. We need more INSPIRATIONAL LEADERSHIP. We need people who are going to make people vote FOR THEM, not people who are banking on everyone voting AGAINST TRUMP.

That's why attacking people who are actually calling for politicians to have some standards is bullshyt. You know why Dems lost the last election? Because they voted for a neoliberal globalist who protected the financial elite. Because they voted for someone who, for all her good policies on plenty of issues, got wealthy in public office, acted entitled as hell, and kept doing things behind the scenes that made it sure as hell look like she didn't trust the people who she was trying to get to vote for her.

We need someone who is ALWAYS for the American people. fukk this "loyal to the party" bullshyt. I don't give a rat's ass about the survival of the Democratic party as an entity, there are people alive today who remember when Dems were all a bunch of racists. If the Democrats die maybe something better will rise in their place. If the Dems DON'T want to die, then stop doing 2/3 of the same shyt to destroy the world and the nation that the neoconservatives are doing.

We NEED someone not like that to run for president in 2020. We NEED someone who doesn't look like the same fukking piece of shyt politicians who have gotten us into this neoliberal/neoconservative nightmare. And I sure haven't seen who dat gonna be yet.

We must be seeing different things, because from what I see Hillary/Bernie supporters mostly attack each other and give Trump a pass.

And while I don't disagree with most of your criticisms of the Democrats (and personally don't give a fukk about them as a party) they lost largely because of 'cism and backlash against Obama and might lose again for similar reasons.

 

[winb83]

Here's a thought start governing according to what's best for the people and not your donors and you won't have this problem.

 

[No1]

We must be seeing different things, because from what I see Hillary/Bernie supporters mostly attack each other and give Trump a pass.

And while I don't disagree with most of your criticisms of the Democrats (and personally don't give a fukk about them as a party) they lost largely because of 'cism and backlash against Obama and might lose again for similar reasons.

You sound like you spent too much time on Twitter.

 

[MalikX]

Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters are at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. One gives a shyt, the other is a corporate shill. People need to stop bringing up Bernie. Hilary "won" the democratic primary. She could've won the Presidential Election and stopped Trump from getting into office but, she didn't. She failed. This is like Golden State blaming the Thunder because the Cavs beat them. FOH.