Peter King interviews Rich Gannon, Mike Holmgren, Doug Flutie on Johnny Manziel *draft flashback*

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

DURHAM, N.C.—“He’s got great balance. How good is that throw? I mean, how good is that throw?” says Duke coach David Cutcliffe, watching Johnny Manziel video in his office.

RENTON, Wash.—“He’s all arm. He throws a lot of passes that way,” says former Brett Favre tutor Mike Holmgren, watching Manziel video near his Seattle home.

MELBOURNE BEACH, Fla.—“He can make every throw, and I don’t know every NFL offense from top to bottom, but just put him in the shotgun and spread the field out and let him play. You’ve got to find a way to let him play. He would be perfect for Chip Kelly,” says Doug Flutie, who was Manziel before there was a Manziel, watching Manziel video in his home hard by the Atlantic Ocean.

SOUTH KINGSTOWN, R.I.—“His mechanics are awful. It’s hard not to be influenced by the things you’ve heard, that the problem is lack of discipline. That manifests itself off the field and in the way he plays. Even just carrying out fakes—it’s just like, ‘Ah, screw it.’ Those guys don’t make it usually. But he’s athletic enough and talented enough that if he works, he can make it,” says longtime NFL offensive coach Kevin Gilbride, who retired after last season, watching Manziel video in his home a few long spirals from the New England coast.

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn.—“The kid’s got the balls of a burglar,” says 2002 NFL MVP Rich Gannon, waching Manziel video near his Twin Cities home.

We came, we watched, we dissected. In the past month I watched coaches video of Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel with five of the smartest quarterback people I know. Specifically, we watched two games from 2013: Manziel’s two-man show (with wideout Mike Evans) in a thrilling narrow loss to Alabama, and Manziel’s s struggles to cope with a disciplined defensive front in a decisive loss to LSU.

I wrote the cover story for this week’s Sports Illustrated with the analyses of the five men on Manziel. I was struck with the “Yeah, but …” aspect of so much of what they said. Let me sum up: They, like so many in the NFL, are on the edge of a sword with Manziel—drawn to his athleticism and field presence and fearlessness, repelled by the prospect of his having to adjust from being a runner/thrower to much more of a pocket passer in the NFL game. That’s a major generalization, of course. Each liked what he saw, to differing degrees. Flutie, predictably, would take Manziel high in the May 8 draft. Gannon, bothered by Manziel’s sloppy mechanics, wouldn’t take him high but thinks he’s an intriguing prospect. Holmgren thinks he’s a long shot to be a top NFL player. Gilbride does as well, but Gilbride thinks the right mechanic could fix Manziel’s flaws and make him a very good player.

I found Cutcliffe’s remarks the most intriguing. Not because he’s smarter about the position necessarily … but because Duke played Texas A&M in the final game of Manziel’s college career, and Cutcliffe and his staff spent three weeks prepping for Manziel, and because Cutcliffe has a close handle on the NFL game because of his off-season coaching with the Manning brothers.

So we will start there, in the office with Cutcliffe in this virtual roundtable, with me interjecting occasionally but mostly staying out of the way.....

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2014 NFL draft: Johnny Manziel through the eyes of five QB experts | The MMQB with Peter King

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

All this 'analysis' for this guy is just... just... hilarious to me. I'll give you my breakdown of this breakdown like this:

Johnny Manziel lacks the discipline, size, mechanics, and commitment to his craft to be a great player in the NFL. Being weak in one of these areas alone is not a precursor for failure but you start combining two and three together, and underachievement is what you're probably going to get.

Its as simple as that. All this hoopla for this guy is so over the top. The five guys interviewed in this article see the film and still won't trust their eyes enough to say what they truly see. Too much focus on what he does well and not enough about how his weaknesses are fatal flaws at the next level.

Manziel has some talent but so have many, many, many before him who have flamed out in the league. I mean, Gannon's comments were about as close to how I see Manziel yet this fool still backed away from calling a spade a spade.

So much benefit of the doubt is given to these white QBs, man. Its like these coaches/analysts are fans of the hype and can't (or refuse) unbiasedly seperate the prospect from the prospect they want him to be... that is unless the prospect is black.

Sorry, I know you dudes don't like to hear the truth, but you shouldn't need to have a Donald Sterling of the NFL to get what's going on here. Read the article, man. All this for a dude who will overdrafted by at least two rounds!! Its crazy.

 

[Trip]

I officially hate the 2014 NFL draft.

"....pigs get slaughtered"

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

I get the feeling Bridgewater is going to endlessly shyt on Manziel in head to head matchups for however long Manziel is a starter in this league.

It will beautiful to witness.

 

[Trip]

I get the feeling Bridgewater is going to endlessly shyt on Manziel in head to head matchups for however long Manziel is a starter in this league.

It will beautiful to witness.

if that happens none of this overdrawn ESPN manufactured predraft analysis will matter. Actually none of it matters to begin with....teams arent influenced by the media its the other way around with regards to the draft.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Check post #2, made two months before the 2014 Draft.

Dap me brehs.

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Check post #2, made two months before the 2014 Draft.

Dap me brehs.

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west

I was more on point than any of these dudes. None of them are black... including Manziel.

You figure the rest from there.

 

[NatiboyB]

I wouldn't be shocked if Manziel becomes one of those guys who figures it out later in his career...Kind of like Flutie...If he is able to hang around the league that long.

 

[Dayco23]

@Eye Cue 182 you make these bold predictions but you are right about 1% of the time. You are right about Manziel, but you are wrong about Dion Waiters, Kyrie Iriving, Andrew Wiggins, etc.

A dead clock is right twice a day

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

I was not wrong about Waiters, Kyrie, or Wiggins

 

[Dayco23]

I was not wrong about Waiters, Kyrie, or Wiggins

yes you are

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

All this 'analysis' for this guy is just... just... hilarious to me. I'll give you my breakdown of this breakdown like this:

Johnny Manziel lacks the discipline, size, mechanics, and commitment to his craft to be a great player in the NFL. Being weak in one of these areas alone is not a precursor for failure but you start combining two and three together, and underachievement is what you're probably going to get.

Its as simple as that. All this hoopla for this guy is so over the top. The five guys interviewed in this article see the film and still won't trust their eyes enough to say what they truly see. Too much focus on what he does well and not enough about how his weaknesses are fatal flaws at the next level.

Manziel has some talent but so have many, many, many before him who have flamed out in the league. I mean, Gannon's comments were about as close to how I see Manziel yet this fool still backed away from calling a spade a spade.

So much benefit of the doubt is given to these white QBs, man. Its like these coaches/analysts are fans of the hype and can't (or refuse) unbiasedly seperate the prospect from the prospect they want him to be... that is unless the prospect is black.

Sorry, I know you dudes don't like to hear the truth, but you shouldn't need to have a Donald Sterling of the NFL to get what's going on here. Read the article, man. All this for a dude who will overdrafted by at least two rounds!! Its crazy.

@Eye Cue 182 did it again



#factsonlyproduction

 

[King Poetic]

fukk them and the so called analysts like them

They shytted on my QB Derek Carr...

He never played against elite competition except for USC

And Teddy B

His hands are small... he can't understand pro offensive style..

 

[FaTaL]

of course cleve picked the wrong qb again

i pity that franchise