PC Gamer on the MacBook Pro and 'Retina' display

[daze23]

Why the MacBook Pro makes me angry | PC Gamer

Why the MacBook Pro makes me angry

Last week, I had a chance to sit down and play with the new MacBook Pro for a while. That’s the one with 2880×1800 pixels crammed into a 15.4inch ‘Retina’ screen. It makes me angry – angry enough to resurrect a rant I had in the magazine just a few issues back.

Over the last ten years’ monitor manufacturers have been selling us short with screen technology, and it’s really annoying that Apple has been the lone voice to call them out.

Before I begin, let me be clear. I have no love for Apple: I’ve only ever owned one Apple product (the best it’s ever made, the iPhone 3GS) and I won’t be rushing out to buy a Retina-screened MacBook. I won’t buy one because no-one needs to spend £2300 on a PC of any kind. The fact you can’t upgrade it at a later date and it’s apparently quite hard to recycle are big black marks against it too.

But from a user’s point of view, the MacBook Pro with Retina Display is the best laptop in the world right now. Leaving the design to one side, even before you get to discussions about the resolution and whether or not you can see the pixels, comparing that 16:10 screen with its exceptionally rich IPS colours to a typical 16:9 TN panel reminds me of the first time I drank a cup of ‘proper’ well roasted coffee after being raised on sub-Gold Blend instant. That was when I first realised that appreciating quality doesn’t make you a snob.

Using the Retina display isn’t life changing, nor will it ruin every other screen in the world for you. It’s not a necessity and it’s not something you should bankrupt yourself to own. It’s not even noticeably different for working on – who really writes or designs databases while squinting to see rough edges of pixels? But it is a perceptibly better, more pleasant, quality technology in a Robert M Pirsig sort of way. It is, more importantly and the focus of my anger, the future. Retina is simply better than any one of a number of screen ‘innovations’ over the last decade.

For games, it’s astounding. Only Diablo III and Portal 2 supported the native 2880×1880 resolution when I tested it, but they look incredible. They’re pin sharp and colourful, because they’re fully anti-aliased without the need to turn fake anti-aliasing on. And because you don’t need to turn AA on, both games were smooth and playable (only just for Diablo III, moreso for Portal 2) with every other image quality setting turned up to it highest setting using the built in GeForce GT660M. To put that in context, that graphics card is the equivalent of a bottom barrel GeForce GT640 on the desktop.

The effect of using the MacBook Pro for me has been to confirm something I’ve argued for years: people who make monitors and graphics cards have wasted vast amounts of money and time on perfecting technologies like anti-aliasing and stereoscopic 3D, when the best thing you can do to games is increase the resolution.

The depressing thing is that the desktop display which has something close to the 221 pixel per inch density of Retina has already been made. In 2001. That’s right: Apple is winning plaudits for its ‘Retina’ displays a full decade or more after IBM was trying out a similar but forgotten philosophy. Its T220 monitors and R50 laptops from the early 2000s were both in line with what Apple is doing now, with resolutions of 3840×2400 pixels in a 22inch LCD and 2048×1536 on a 15inch notebook. But then IBM quit the hardware business before they had a chance to hit mass production prices. It sold its assets to Lenovo and everyone raced to the bottom as far as displays went, even to the extent of abandoning the Golden Ratio of 16:10 ratio in favour of the TV standard 1080p.

They got lazy. They tried to foist crap like stereoscopic 3D and glasses on us. Last year’s line-up of gaming laptops was just pitiful, as performance and quality were sacrificed by almost every manufacturer in order to include an expensive 3D display no-one wanted or could even use, because the graphics processors weren’t powerful enough for alternative frame rendering.

There have been some good things in display-land. eIPS has been brilliant over the last couple of years for weaning us off of sub-standard TN panels. Now, in the wake of the MacBook Pro we just have to hope that someone is working on a cost effective, high density eIPS display for release within the next few months. Otherwise Apple’s next Cinema Displays and the inevitable Apple TV will be the devices to intro it. Again.

There are counter arguments to all this, and reasons behind Apple’s timing. Even with the hardware at the MacBook Pro’s disposal framerates aren’t especially high, especially considering the generally low requirements for Diablo and Portal. Introducing higher density displays any earlier would arguably have been too much for graphics cards to keep up with. And as ever, reviewers – and I include myself – need to take some blame for lack of ambition on behalf of hardware vendors because of our relentless focus on price.

By the same logic, though, NVIDIA and AMD would have sold more graphics cards, like they used to gamers upgraded regularly. Plus, 2560×1600 – the resolution of a 30inch display, was playable with a mid-range card several years ago.

Despite being a resolution junkie, I was initially sceptical about Retina displays when they were announced on the iPhone and iPad, and I still can’t really see the advantage over competing tablets and handsets with fewer pixels at those screen sizes. But on the desktop and laptop front I’m convinced. I want this kind of display for all systems, and soon. And so should you.

 

[Spatial Paradox]

I can see where he's coming from

The large majority of laptops have shytty displays. The large majority of laptops have 1366x768 displays that are relatively dim, have low contrast, a small color gamut and horrible color accuracy. Almost every laptop in every Best Buy I've been to have dim, washed out displays. Meanwhile, even before they released the Retina MacBook Pro, Apple's laptops have had above-average displays for awhile now. So it's no surprise that they did it first. Hopefully other OEMs have taken notice and start releasing systems with better displays.

Even if you're not a gamer, your system should have good display, whether it's a desktop or a laptop. Along with your keyboard & mouse/trackpad, it's the part of your computer that you spend the most time interacting with, so there's no reason it shouldn't be good, if not great.

With that said, I'm not about to buy a laptop where I can't even upgrade the damn storage , so I'll be upgrading to a regular 15" MacBook Pro w/hi-res screen when I get the chance.

 

[daze23]

I can see where he's coming from

The large majority of laptops have shytty displays. The large majority of laptops have 1366x768 displays that are relatively dim, have low contrast, a small color gamut and horrible color accuracy. Almost every laptop in every Best Buy I've been to have dim, washed out displays. Meanwhile, even before they released the Retina MacBook Pro, Apple's laptops have had above-average displays for awhile now. So it's no surprise that they did it first. Hopefully other OEMs have taken notice and start releasing systems with better displays.

Even if you're not a gamer, your system should have good display, whether it's a desktop or a laptop. Along with your keyboard & mouse/trackpad, it's the part of your computer that you spend the most time interacting with, so there's no reason it shouldn't be good, if not great.

With that said, I'm not about to buy a laptop where I can't even upgrade the damn storage , so I'll be upgrading to a regular 15" MacBook Pro w/hi-res screen when I get the chance.

I think he was talking more about monitors in general. they've been pushing all this 3D crap on us, when what they need to do is up the resolution. the point about AA is true too. you wouldn't need all that if the resolution was high enough

but there also is the issue of video cards being ready for this. like he said, he was able to play D3 and Portal 2, but those are two games with rather low requirements. trying to get a more hungry game up to those resolutions is gonna be a problem

 

[teacher]

b b but retina display on that small ass screen...

apple

 

[daze23]

b b but retina display on that small ass screen...

apple

I was initially sceptical about Retina displays when they were announced on the iPhone and iPad, and I still can’t really see the advantage over competing tablets and handsets with fewer pixels at those screen sizes.

 

[courtdog]

I think he was talking more about monitors in general. they've been pushing all this 3D crap on us, when what they need to do is up the resolution. the point about AA is true too. you wouldn't need all that if the resolution was high enough

but there also is the issue of video cards being ready for this. like he said, he was able to play D3 and Portal 2, but those are two games with rather low requirements. trying to get a more hungry game up to those resolutions is gonna be a problem

Well that Ps3 3D display has the best of both worlds. It can do the 3D very well and it has a higher resolution than the majority of sets available.

 

[daze23]

Well that Ps3 3D display has the best of both worlds. It can do the 3D very well and it has a higher resolution than the majority of sets available.

it's 1080p just like everything else

 

[courtdog]

it's 1080p just like everything else

But not all 1080p are the same
And what I am saying to you is the quality of this is as good as it gets.
I don't game on PC, so I don't need resolutions I can't even use in the first place
Nobody has a problem with 1080p except some uber nerds who are like " 2250x is the new standard. Yeah, Its a nerds world"
Like, get the fukk outta here with that horseshyt. Do movies upscale to 2250?
No. So some higher display would only be for gaming on PC?
Ah man, I can't play Mass Effect 3 in 2250x. I guess my life is over now.

Do you follow what I'm saying here buddy? Man up, leave that nerd world alone
fukk a higher reso. I'd rather have 1080p and a personality that attracts the opposite sex. You can't have a personality and be gaming on a 2250x monitor
You'd be on some selfish nerd shyt at that point. You really wanna make that type of trade off young man?

 

[daze23]

I don't game on PC, so I don't need resolutions I can't even use in the first place

then you can't even use 1080p

 

[Responsible Allen Iverson]

"And as ever, reviewers – and I include myself – need to take some blame for lack of ambition on behalf of hardware vendors because of our relentless focus on price."


Does this dude really believe that hardware makers are making decisions based on what he thinks?


I have an Ultrasharp 1080p monitor right now, and I'm definitely buying a 2560 x 1600 monitor next. For my next laptop I'll probably get a Thinkpad with an IPS screen.

 

[Spatial Paradox]

I think he was talking more about monitors in general. they've been pushing all this 3D crap on us, when what they need to do is up the resolution. the point about AA is true too. you wouldn't need all that if the resolution was high enough

but there also is the issue of video cards being ready for this. like he said, he was able to play D3 and Portal 2, but those are two games with rather low requirements. trying to get a more hungry game up to those resolutions is gonna be a problem

I know he was writing about displays in general. I'm just adding that the issues he's pointing out are even more pronounced in laptops.

The main issue with desktop displays is they've been relatively stagnant in terms of resolution for the past few years (and that's after taking a step back with the move from 16:10 to 16:9). But at least all but the most bottom barrel desktop monitors are at least decent in terms of brightness, contrast and color gamut. For laptop displays, they've been as stagnant and regressive as desktop displays and on top of that, are trash in terms of brightness, contrast and color gamut.

As for GPUs being ready for this, most of them probably won't be for at least another year or two.

 

[courtdog]

then you can't even use 1080p

(now I have officially been sonnned)

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Anyone that knows graphics knows that they should up the resolution on shyt. It eliminates or lessens the need for AA

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

It's 2012. Nerds aren't the majority of the computer market anymore so no one cares about them. And rightfully so because nerds always bytch about the stupidest shyt.

 

[courtdog]

It's 2012. Nerds aren't the majority of the computer market anymore so no one cares about them. And rightfully so because nerds always bytch about the stupidest shyt.

Depends what market your referring to. If your talking about PC gaming, then you still smack dab in nerdsville
And not only do nerds bytch about the dumbest shyt, but kids. Every minor upgrade is a big fukkin deal to these cocksuckers...