Payton Manning comes back from an injury and has a typical Peyton Manning season.

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wasn't like his skills were diminished when he last played. He gets to pick playoff caliber teams to go to and choses to go to a team in a weak division, has a better defense than the last team he played for, arguable better WR's and a better running game. Giving all that, and stans will say he's MVP/comeback player because he' still able to have a typcial Payton Manning season (breaking down defenses, making adjustments, rapport with wr's) even though he did have a full off season.

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Adrian Peterson gets hurt at the END of last season, he comes back and comes within 9 yards of breaking an almost 30 year old rushing record? He didn't just have a typical Peterson season. He rushed for over 2k and almost broke a record. He had a once in a decade type season. Denver was picked to win their divison and go back to the playoffs. The Vikings weren't picked to go nowhere.




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wasn't like his skills were diminished when he last played. He gets to pick playoff caliber teams to go to and choses to go to a team in a weak division, has a better defense than the last team he played for, arguable better WR's and a better running game. Giving all that, and stans will say he's MVP/comeback player because he' still able to have a typcial Payton Manning season (breaking down defenses, making adjustments, rapport with wr's) even though he did have a full off season.

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Adrian Peterson gets hurt at the END of last season, he comes back and comes within 9 yards of breaking an almost 30 year old rushing record? He didn't just have a typical Peterson season. He rushed for over 2k and almost broke a record. He had a once in a decade type season. Denver was picked to win their divison and go back to the playoffs. The Vikings weren't picked to go nowhere.




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He picked to go the team that would pay him the most money
 

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nikka fukk Peyton Manning, that long ass injured neck ain't built for 20 degree weather. Ngata gonna put an end to that nikkas season so this thread can go to hell.
 

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Ive been saying this for years, You literally have to either blow peytons numbers out of the water or have an all time great season to force the media to give the MVP to someone else. Anything close goes to Manning

Shaun Alexander 2005 -record number of TD's
LT 2006-record number of TD's
Tom Brady 2007-50 TD passes
Tom brady 2010-36 TD's/4 picks GOAT TD to interception ratio for a season
AP 2012-2,000 yards?

Drew Brees had better numbers then Peyton(and one less win) in 09' but he didnt blow Peyton's out of the water. But since it was close, peyton gets the award. Hell rivers in 08 had better numbers and it didnt matter
 

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AP deserves it.
Manning took Broncos where any top 15 QB had taken them with that schedule.

AP however, carried his team.
It's rare too see a RB take an average team so far, it's common too see a good (even the weakest starting qb in the league did it last season) QB with an easy schedule take a good team to the playoffs.

It's not even clear whether Manning was the best QB, Arodg, Brady and them are breathing down his neck imo. He's got a marginal lead over them but fukk hype.
 

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I think it should be Co-MVP for Manning and Peterson, or just Manning. With AP getting Offensive and Comeback Player of the Year.
What do you guys think of this article regarding the voting history of the NFL MVP :
Voting History: Why Peyton Manning Should Run Away With NFL MVP Award

The case for Peyton Manning
It would be very easy to just list a ton of statistics from Manning’s season, as he looks to win a fifth MVP award. Manning rewrote the Denver record books for passing in his first season. He had a lot of numbers that were among the best he’s ever had in a career full of elite seasons. We will point out a few of them, but first let’s focus on the main argument for Manning as MVP.

Most value-added impact. No player had a bigger impact on his team, and while part of that is the value of the quarterback position, the fact is no quarterback changes the culture of an entire team more than Manning. He leaves an imprint on his team’s performances, demanding consistent perfection.

Manning essentially changed the Denver Broncos into the Denver Colts, and the transformation was completed quicker than anyone expected.

Manning won at least 13 games in a season under a fourth head coach (John Fox) in his career. No other quarterback in NFL history has won more than 13 games with more than two coaches.

Denver scored 481 points (second most in the league). Demaryius Thomas (1,434 yards, 10 TD) and Eric Decker (1,064 yards, 13 TD) have stats that look like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne circa 2004-2006. Denver went from 30th in third-down conversions last year to No. 3 this season.

This all comes a year after the Broncos struggled to an 8-8 record and played a prehistoric style of offense with Tim Tebow. Denver went from the most run-heavy offense in football to a high-volume, high-efficiency passing attack that Manning has mastered for years.

At times, he looks as good as ever, just months after some questioned if he could ever play again.

Last season the Broncos were blown out badly by several opponents. This season they fell behind by 20+ points four times early in the season, but still made a game of it behind Manning, who made them believe they could win these games. They even did pull off a 24-point comeback in San Diego on the night Manning broke the record for fourth-quarter comebacks.

Denver’s 3-1 record at fourth-quarter comeback opportunities was the best percentage in the league this season. Manning has not trailed in the fourth quarter in the last eight games.

The end result this regular season is a 13-3 record, the Super Bowl favorite, and an 11-game winning streak. That is quite the improvement after a year in which Denver won the AFC West on a three team tiebreaker, and had the worst scoring differential (-81) for an 8-8 team in NFL history.

This season Denver outscored opponents by 192 points, which is the third biggest improvement in the 16-game era. It also matches the scoring differential for the 1998 Denver Broncos (best team in franchise history) and 2005 Indianapolis Colts (Manning again).

Peyton Manning: The case against

The sum of the arguments against Manning is that Denver had a really good defense, the Broncos played an easy schedule, and the team was 8-8 and won a playoff game with Tim Tebow last season. I think the comparison to last year has already been taken care of, as the 2011 and 2012 Broncos are like night and day.

Denver did play an easy schedule overall. The AFC West was the worst division in football, with the three teams combining for the same 13 wins as Denver had.

But in a season full of inconsistent play, Denver’s consistent domination should be rewarded. The team has been coasting over the competition, winning these 11 straight games by at least seven points. The only other teams in NFL history with such a winning streak are the 1942 Chicago Bears (11 games) and 2005 Indianapolis Colts (13 games). Guess what the latter had in common with the Broncos?

It also did not result in a MVP for Manning (see results below), as voters almost seem to get bored with these winning streaks by Manning. But they are not easy to do, and the “let’s give it to the guy who has never won one” MVP argument should be thrown out in every sport.

Manning did have one of the best team scoring defenses (ranked No. 4 with 289 points allowed) in his career, though that is hard to quantify for how much it should hurt his MVP credentials. Eight times in the modern passing era (1978-present) quarterbacks have won MVP with a team scoring defense ranked No. 4 or higher:

Tom Brady, 2007, 246 points (No. 2)
Kurt Warner, 1999, 242 points (No. 4)
Brett Favre, 1996, 210 points (No. 1)
Brett Favre, 1995, 314 points (No. 4)
Steve Young, 1992, 236 points (No. 3)
Joe Montana, 1990, 239 points (No. 2)
Joe Montana, 1989, 253 points (No. 3)
Terry Bradshaw, 1978, 195 points (No. 1)
The common theme for most teams here is they were still known for their offense first, and Denver is no exception to that.

The case for AP

Peterson’s best argument is that he had one of the greatest rushing seasons in NFL history.

His 2,097 rushing yards came up nine yards short of breaking Eric dikkerson’s single-season record, and Peterson averaged 6.03 yards per carry. That average is the sixth highest in NFL history for backs with a minimum 150 carries (third highest with a min. 300 carries).

When Percy Harvin was lost, the Vikings let Peterson carry them. Peterson went on the greatest eight-game rushing streak in NFL history during games 7-14. He rushed for 1,313 yards (164.1 yards per game), which is the most ever in any eight-game run by a player in NFL history.

After a 3-13 season, the Vikings finished 10-6 and made the playoffs in the final day of the regular season. They actually won their last four games to get in, and in Week 17, Peterson carried a career-high 34 times for 199 yards.

Minnesota’s passing attack was often impotent, with Christian Ponder finishing six games with 131 yards passing or less in this pass-happy era (three games under 100 yards).

Maybe the most impressive part of Peterson’s season is his ability to break off long runs in a way we have not seen since maybe Barry Sanders. Peterson had seven runs of 50+ yards in a seven-game stretch during this season. Teams like the Colts and Patriots have seven runs combined of 50+ yards since 2000 (that’s 416 games).

A lot of highlight material for Peterson in 2012, which was clearly his best season yet.

Adrian Peterson: The case against
There are many reasons not to vote for Peterson as MVP this year, but instead to vote him as the Offensive Player of the Year.

Peterson was not the Vikings’ MVP, let alone the league, when the team had a surprise 5-2 start. That was Percy Harvin, who led the league in all-purpose yards before suffering a season-ending injury.

During his all-time great eight-game stretch, Minnesota was only 4-4, which just shows how valuable the quarterback position is. Peterson had amazing games against Seattle and Green Bay, but Minnesota still lost mostly because of Ponder.

The Vikings needed Ponder to come through to make the playoffs, and he did. He actually had good games in wins against playoff competition San Francisco and Houston, which just so happened to be the worst games of the season for Peterson. In both games Peterson finished with exactly 25 carries for 86 yards (3.44 YPC) and no touchdowns.

In the first six weeks, Peterson only finished above 100 yards once, and that was 102 rushing yards in Detroit. Remember, both players had to overcome an injury, but Peterson had a slower start, and his season was just not as consistently great as Manning’s.

In reading Gregg Rosenthal reporting on Aaron Rodgers’ MVP win last season, he had an interesting line. “The last few weeks of the year don’t make the first three months go away,” said Rosenthal.

Yet it sure seems like this December push has put Peterson over the top. Peter King even said Sunday (Week 17 finale) had him change his vote from Manning to Peterson.

Should one game really be the difference in a seasonal award that is supposed to be based on 16 games? Would an extra nine rushing yards make Peterson any more worthy? Would 50 fewer yards make him any less valuable?

People got caught up in the chase for the rushing record, which fell just short, and overlooked the Vikings’ season as a whole. They were not always as reliant on Peterson.

Ponder played better than given credit for. He just had some really atrocious games with few yards. Ponder’s season compares favorably to Joe Flacco’s rookie season (2008), as Ponder finished with 2,935 yards, 18 TD, 12 INT and 81.2 passer rating. He also rushed for 253 yards and two scores.

But at one point this season it was noted that Ponder had a lower passing yards per attempt than Peterson had on the ground. That did not hold true at the end of the season, though it was close. Peterson was 6.03 and Ponder was 6.08 yards per attempt.

Never mentioned in that is Peterson’s poor receiving season. Though he caught 40 out of 48 targets, Peterson had just 217 yards and three dropped passes. The 5.43 yards per reception is tied with Arian Foster (2012) for the fifth worst average in a season in NFL history (min. 40 receptions).

Throwing to Peterson actually brought Ponder’s YPA down from 6.25 to 6.07 this season, but no one acknowledges Peterson’s lack of receiving. It was all about his rushing yards. It could not have been about his touchdowns for obvious reasons.

Quarterbacks have won nine of the last 11 MVP awards, and the last three running back winners all broke the single-season touchdown record. That started at 26 touchdowns from Marshall Faulk back in 2000, and LaDainian Tomlinson scored 31 in 2006. Peterson only had 13 touchdowns this season. It is good for a running back in general, but not for this award.

Peterson has the rushing yards, but his touchdowns do not fit the modern standard for a MVP season. He would rank 11th out of 13 in this list in terms of touchdowns per game.

Just rushing for 2,000 yards is no longer a guarantee of anything. Jamal Lewis did it in 2003 for a 10-6 playoff team, had more right to “his offense is all him” than Peterson, and he received five votes. Chris Johnson rushed for 2,009 yards and had a record 2,509 yards from scrimmage in 2009, and he received zero votes (8-8 and missed the playoffs has something to do with it).

If you had a MVP for the second half of the season, Peterson would be most worthy, but for a 16-game award, he did not have that season-long type of impact this award should be about. It was an incredible second-half finish that chased a record and did get his team into the postseason, but how they started matters too, and Peterson was not in the conversation yet.
 

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wasn't like his skills were diminished when he last played. He gets to pick playoff caliber teams to go to and choses to go to a team in a weak division, has a better defense than the last team he played for, arguable better WR's and a better running game. Giving all that, and stans will say he's MVP/comeback player because he' still able to have a typcial Payton Manning season (breaking down defenses, making adjustments, rapport with wr's) even though he did have a full off season.

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Adrian Peterson gets hurt at the END of last season, he comes back and comes within 9 yards of breaking an almost 30 year old rushing record? He didn't just have a typical Peterson season. He rushed for over 2k and almost broke a record. He had a once in a decade type season. Denver was picked to win their divison and go back to the playoffs. The Vikings weren't picked to go nowhere.




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dont sit here and tell me sht, people were shtting on manning all the off season and preseason. he cant take a hit, noodle arm. now, its just typical payton. :skip:
 

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AD: MVP

Manning: Comeback Player of the Year


Seems pretty simple imo. AD missed 4 games last season, averaged 4.7ypc and had 12td. People focus on the injury and his remarkable comeback from that as opposed to how the award has pretty much always been awarded before that: a player having a bad season or missing significant amount of time and coming back to have a great season. Hard to make a case against Manning in that regard considering he missed a whole season with a serious injury himself. Not to mention there was a clear divide of people not only saying Peyton would be a shell of his former self but even that he should retire.

As for MVP I really don't see a case for anyone but AD winning. When everyone knows you are the main weapon, out of the backfield no less, and you come within 9 yds of breaking one of the biggest records in the sport, it's hard to argue against you. Then take into account leading your team to the playoffs in a much harder division than Peyton's and it's no contest.
 
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:skip: How you spell his name two different ways in one sentence breh?


But I agree with you
 
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