palestinian survives lynching in jerusalem

[TLOL is back]

Man, you and I have different definitions for street fights. This was a mob attack, period. When did you last see hundreds of jewish people standing by watching dozens of palestinians beat a few jews?

Never, because the Bystander Effect only happens when the Bystanders view the victims as alien to themselves. If you want to call it a mob beating, pointing out the most scientifically-validated psychological paralysis ever studied, is not the best way to do it. Honestly, I would do some reading on the phenomenon.

You went straight from calling them innocent jews to barbarians

This is actually, completely made up. I never called them innocent Jews.

the dehumanization is not just inaccurate it also absolves the environment that these people got their ideas from of any connection to their eventual behavior. No man, they're not barbarians, they're regular kids and young adults of Jerusalem. This is what they learned and this is what they believe

Learned from where? Israeli mass media? Nope. Israeli government? Nope. Israeli police force? Nope.

Your assumption is that they have "learned" to think the way they do, but you're completely dismissing other variables, such as:

- The constant terrorist attacks they're experiencing

- The international community's isolation of the Jewish state

- Feeling that the world doesn't care if they live or die (which is accurate)

- Feeling that the world actually prefers that they die (not a far-reach from reality)

But of course, you zoom in on the one variable that implies there is something wrong with their culture, even though there is zero evidence to support it.

P.S. - I looked up the word barbarian in the dictionary... Describes them perfectly.

 

[zerozero]

Never, because the Bystander Effect only happens when the Bystanders view the victims as alien to themselves.

And that's what makes this different from some regular fight. This isn't "I shoved this guy he shoved me back so we're scrapping". Dozens surrounded by hundreds vs a couple = not a street fight

This is actually, completely made up. I never called them innocent Jews.

you disputed the veracity of the accurate account by suggesting I consider them guilty until proven innocent

Learned from where? Israeli mass media? Nope. Israeli government? Nope. Israeli police force? Nope.

Your assumption is that they have "learned" to think the way they do, but you're completely dismissing other variables, such as:

- The constant terrorist attacks they're experiencing

- The international community's isolation of the Jewish state

- Feeling that the world doesn't care if they live or die (which is accurate)

- Feeling that the world actually prefers that they die (not a far-reach from reality)

But of course, you zoom in on the one variable that implies there is something wrong with their culture, even though there is zero evidence to support it.

P.S. - I looked up the word barbarian in the dictionary... Describes them perfectly.

lol. Breh "death to arabs" doesn't spring out of people's minds randomly one day. It is part of an ongoing racialized conflict, as your bullet points point out as well. That's the point. They're not barbarians looking to loot and pillage, they're regular dudes (and adolescent girls!) committing heinous acts within a systemized context of hatred. Respect their personal agency enough to call them out for it. The night of violence against sudanese shopkeepers a few weeks ago wasn't perpetuated because of "terrorist attacks", they had other problems with these dudes. The mob responses was hatred and violence. This is what happens when you have a social order that normalizes this type of thinking.

 

[TLOL is back]

And that's what makes this different from some regular fight. This isn't "I shoved this guy he shoved me back so we're scrapping". Dozens surrounded by hundreds vs a couple = not a street fight

If you want to call it a mob beating because the arabs were outnumbered, that is one argument. But the bystanders are irrelevant for the reasons I stated.

you disputed the veracity of the accurate account by suggesting I consider them guilty until proven innocent

That does not mean I thought they were innocent. I was on my phone, and it did not show me the facebook link, just the 972mag link. So I thought the testimony was anonymous and we have no information. Not having enough information is not the same as declaring someone innocent.

lol. Breh "death to arabs" doesn't spring out of people's minds randomly one day. It is part of an ongoing racialized conflict, as your bullet points point out as well. That's the point. They're not barbarians looking to loot and pillage, they're regular dudes (and adolescent girls!) committing heinous acts within a systemized context of hatred. Respect their personal agency enough to call them out for it. The night of violence against sudanese shopkeepers a few weeks ago wasn't perpetuated because of "terrorist attacks", they had other problems with these dudes. The mob responses was hatred and violence. This is what happens when you have a social order that normalizes this type of thinking.

The problem with the illegal immigrants, were that so many of them were stealing from Israelis and selling the products (confirmed by black undercover reporter pretending to be an illegal), which turned them anti-illegal.

Anyways, your entire post did not address my point. Here are possible variables we have so far:

- Social order that supports it (zero evidence that this even exists)

- The constant terrorist attacks they're experiencing (exists)

- The international community's isolation of the Jewish state (exists)

- Feeling that the world doesn't care if they live or die (accurate)

- Feeling that the world actually prefers that they die (not a far-reach from reality)

So again, you isolate the only variable which has no evidence for it. How about you open your mind and look at the facts instead of making assumptions.

 

[zerozero]

The problem with the illegal immigrants, were that so many of them were stealing from Israelis and selling the products (confirmed by black undercover reporter pretending to be an illegal), which turned them anti-illegal.

so the fukk what? A lot of illegal in hispanics in america steal sh1t but there's no ambiguity about whether a night of anti hispanic rioting is animated by hatred or not. A molotov cocktail lobbed through a window is not a warrant

Anyways, your entire post did not address my point. Here are possible variables we have so far:

- Social order that supports it (zero evidence that this even exists)

- The constant terrorist attacks they're experiencing (exists)

- The international community's isolation of the Jewish state (exists)

- Feeling that the world doesn't care if they live or die (accurate)

- Feeling that the world actually prefers that they die (not a far-reach from reality)

So again, you isolate the only variable which has no evidence for it. How about you open your mind and look at the facts instead of making assumptions.

you can't be serious. "A jew is a good soul and an arab is [pejorative]" is not a phrase that is limited to concerns about the violence or international politics. It is ethnic animus. I mean, Shia Iraqis have a lot of legit grievances, but if they start yelling about how random Sunnis walking down the street are this or that we can easily peg the fact that their opinion is based on more than a law and order problem

 

[TLOL is back]

so the fukk what? A lot of illegal in hispanics in america steal sh1t but there's no ambiguity about whether a night of anti hispanic rioting is animated by hatred or not. A molotov cocktail lobbed through a window is not a warrant

Huh? Nowhere did I justify what they did. We're talking about variables influencing behavior. We're not talking about defenses.

you can't be serious. "A jew is a good soul and an arab is [pejorative]" is not a phrase that is limited to concerns about the violence or international politics. It is ethnic animus.

I would urge you to take some psychology courses at a reputable institution. We are not always aware why we behave in certain ways. People can be treated like crap at work and turn into Cristian. There isn't always a logical point from A->B. Isolation turns people into extremists.

 

[zerozero]

Huh? Nowhere did I justify what they did. We're talking about variables influencing behavior. We're not talking about defenses.



I would urge you to take some psychology courses at a reputable institution. We are not always aware why we behave in certain ways. People can be treated like crap at work and turn into Cristian. There isn't always a logical point from A->B. Isolation turns people into extremists.

All bigotry has "variables". White racism in the US is often motivated by economic stressors. The point is that it's still irrational prejudice extant in people's minds. We're basically going around in circles here but I find it beyond fathoming that you're going to pretend Israeli society has some benign attitude towards palestinians. Meanwhile here's something else from inside Israel that cosigns the problems I'm pointing out:

Intolerable behavior - JPost - Opinion - Editorials

Last Thursday, a Molotov cocktail was thrown at a taxi carrying six Palestinians outside the West Bank settlement of Bat Ayin. The ensuing explosion caused the taxi to flip over and resulted in the injury of several of the passengers. The assailants were aware that the victims were Palestinians since the attack took place during the day and the vehicle was yellow with green license plates, characteristic of Palestinian taxis.

Late Thursday night a mob of Jewish youths attacked three Palestinians in Jerusalem’s Zion Square and yelled anti-Arab slogans, including “Death to the Arabs.” [...]

In the wake of the sharp rise of attacks purportedly carried out by Jews against Palestinians (though no suspects have been convicted so far) the US State Department in its 2011 Country Report on Terrorism, for the first time unequivocally defined attacks by Jews on Palestinians as “terrorist incidents,” erasing the distinction made in previous reports between “settler violence” perpetrated by Jews and terrorism perpetrated by Palestinians. Ten mosques were either vandalized or firebombed in Jerusalem and the West Bank during 2011, according to the report, up from six in 2010 and one in 2009. [...]

In consecutive annual surveys taken by the Israel Democracy Institute, surprisingly large proportions of Israeli Jews support encouraging Arab Israelis to emigrate (53 percent); favor excluding Arabs from the decision- making process even on socioeconomic issues and questions related to governance (69.5%); and reject the claim that Arab citizens of Israel suffer from discrimination (51.5%).

 

[Brown_Pride]

Upon further research it seems everything checks out with the witness and there is no reason to doubt her. I'll admit I was wrong here. I apologize.

Still not sure what the point of the thread is. Bad Israelis exist. This is already known. But to claim that the amount of "militant youths" is on the rise because of a couple of incidents is laughable.

Good to see someone admitting shyt.

This delusional dikkhead went a whole page defending something that was a falsehood, and when he found out it was false he copped pleas like a lil bytch and has the

Imagine when he find out Israel is really that evil he might commit dat

TLOL you're grasping at staws though man.
To i hear what you're saying about mob mentality and the observer affect, the 50 kids whopping this kids ass were not observers, they were part of a mob and while that does open up a whole other door in regards to disassociation you're really trying to hard to white wash what to most everyone else is a clear demonstration of Israeli Youth being racist towards Arabs.

All your "points" are actually in support of an environment that would promote racism.

It's no secret Jews hate Arabs and Arabs hate Jews

 

[TLOL is back]

All bigotry has "variables". White racism in the US is often motivated by economic stressors. The point is that it's still irrational prejudice extant in people's minds.

No shyt breh, but if you're going to claim its been rising without any evidence, and only focus on one possible variable in order to demonize their "social order" than you are in the wrong here. You can't dismiss all possible variables and just look at one.

We're basically going around in circles here but I find it beyond fathoming that you're going to pretend Israeli society has some benign attitude towards palestinians. Meanwhile here's something else from inside Israel that cosigns the problems I'm pointing out:

Intolerable behavior - JPost - Opinion - Editorials

" Terrorism, for the first time unequivocally defined attacks by Jews on Palestinians as “terrorist incidents,"

This is completely made up.

Here are things the state department listed under terrorism in 2010:

On October 4, arson was committed by Israeli citizens against a mosque southwest of Bethlehem in the village of Beit Fajjar, which is under Israeli security control. In addition to fire damage, the mosque was vandalized with Hebrew-language graffiti "revenge" and "price tag."

On October 20, arson was committed against a Palestinian girls' school building south of Nablus in the village of As Sawiya, which is under Israeli security control. The damaged building also had Hebrew-language graffiti: "regards from the hilltops," suggesting the attack was conducted by Israeli settlers.

Country Reports on Terrorism 2010 Middle East and North Africa Overview

State department listings under terrorism in 2009:

A high-profile case raised awareness regarding settler violence and acts of terrorism. On October 7, Israeli security services arrested American-born settler Yaacov “Jack” Teitel in connection with a number of crimes and terrorist attacks over the past 12 years. Teitel was arrested for posting anti-homosexual flyers, and later confessed to a number of crimes, including the murder of two Palestinians in 1997. He also claimed responsibility for several attempted bombings, including sending a parcel bomb to a Messianic Jewish family in Ariel in which a 15-year old Israeli-American boy was injured, and placing a pipe-bomb that injured Israel Prize laureate and peace activist Professor Zeev Sternhell in September 2008.

Country Reports on Terrorism 2009 Middle East and North Africa Overview

2008:

On June 1 and 20, Israeli settlers fired three rockets toward the Palestinian town of Burin. In late July, settlers threw a Molotov cocktail into a home in Burin as well. No injuries were reported from either attack. On September 25, a prominent Hebrew University professor and critic of Jewish settlements in the West Bank was wounded when a pipe bomb, allegedly planted by radical members of the settlement movement, exploded as he opened the door of his home in West Jerusalem. After the attack, police found flyers near the academic’s home calling for the establishment of a new state in the West Bank based on Jewish religious law. The flyers, signed by a Jewish extremist group called the Army of the State Liberators, also offered USD 314,000 to anyone who killed a member of the non-governmental organization, Peace Now. Israeli Security Services continued to investigate the attack.

Country Reports on Terrorism 2008 Chapter 2. Country Reports: Middle East and North Africa Overview

And finally, what the State Department listed as terrorism in 2004:

In December, Israel convicted and sentenced an Israeli man for membership in the "New Jewish Underground," a terrorist organization that aimed to carry out attacks on Arab civilians. On September 29, a group of five Israeli settlers attacked and seriously wounded two US citizens, members of an NGO, who were escorting Palestinian children to school near Hebron. As of the end of 2004, the Israeli police had not arrested those responsible.

Chapter 5B -- Country Reports

Get that bullshyt out of here

 

[zerozero]

No shyt breh, but if you're going to claim its been rising without any evidence, and only focus on one possible variable in order to demonize their "social order" than you are in the wrong here. You can't dismiss all possible variables and just look at one.

I'm not "demonizing" anything. I'm saying that the anti palestinian bigotry exists in many israeli minds as evidence by the very actions we've seen here. Like I said before your bullet points are just more evidence about the ongoing nature of the strife

Yeah it looks like they're wrong about the state department. Meanwhile the rest of the article itself expresses concerns about the same sentiments and inclinations you're denying in here. Most Israelis want to encourage their arab fellow citizens to emigrate! Keep believing these are random one off incidents though

 

[TLOL is back]

I'm not "demonizing" anything. I'm saying that the anti palestinian bigotry exists in many israeli minds as evidence by the very actions we've seen here. Like I said before your bullet points are just more evidence about the ongoing nature of the strife

Yeah it looks like they're wrong about the state department. Meanwhile the rest of the article itself expresses concerns about the same sentiments and inclinations you're denying in here. Most Israelis want to encourage their arab fellow citizens to emigrate! Keep believing these are random one off incidents though

Yes, people who are constantly terrorized by a group may want to pay that group to leave them the hell alone. That does not mean "social order" encourages Israelis to form wild mobs and beat the shyt out of them on the streets.

 

[zerozero]

Footage of J'lem mob attack accidentally... JPost - National News

Jerusalem police informed the Justice Ministry this week that they accidentally deleted dozens of hours of video recorded investigation into the mob beating of an Arab teenager in August.

The lost footage could make it harder to convict the suspects, or could even undermine the severity of the convictions and the sentences because the judges will have significantly less evidence.

Seventeen-year-old Jamal Julani, a resident of Ras-el- Amud, was with three other friends on August 16, when he ran into a group of Jewish youths in Zion Square. According to the indictments against the suspects, around 30 youth were prowling around downtown Jerusalem “looking to beat up Arabs.” The youth gathered in Cat Square (Kikar Hatulot) and sang racist songs while harassing passing Arabs, before a smaller group moved on to Zion Square where they attacked Julani and his friends, the indictments stated. Julani fell as he was attempting to flee and the attackers beat Julani unconscious. Paramedics who arrived on the scene used CPR and defibrillators for more than 10 minutes before his pulse returned, and evacuated him in critical but stable condition to Hadassah University Medical Center in Jerusalem’s Ein Kerem neighborhood. He was hospitalized for more than a week.

Jerusalem deputy police spokeswoman Shlomit Bakshi confirmed the police had notified the Justice Ministry of the lost footage but refused to comment further on the incident.

The Justice Ministry recieves information in stages from the police, so it only became clear how much footage was missing recently. Sources said the loss was a technological glitch and not a conspiracy against Arab victims.

Police apparently attempted to recover the information with computer experts but were unsuccessful.

Defense lawyers for the suspects slammed the announcement.

“The destruction of the investigation materials by the police is another indication of the negligent way the police carried out the investigation for this incident,” Ariel Atari, a lawyer for one of the suspects, said on Tuesday. He said that the indictments against the suspects should be thrown out because the investigative footage is not available.

Defense attorneys can use videotaped footage of the investigations to prove a suspect was coerced or highlight differences between the written report of the questioning and what the suspect said.

"accidentally deleted"

 

[The Nigerian]

TLOL needs to take his racist ass off of The Coli.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

We must avoid being unjust so that we don't burn in hell forever.

 

[the cac mamba]

We must avoid being unjust so that we don't burn in hell forever.

you literally contribute nothing to threads

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

the cac mamba please avoid being evil and being a slave of the devil as it leads to the hellfire.