Pacquiao vs Mayweather Official Thread...May 2nd!!!
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LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
Look at SupaScorpio y all, look at him. Now I see why you have that S on your chest, where your cape at bro ?
You trying too hard now. Way too hard. Telling me if I know who Nacho and Abel are ?
all because I said Roach don't deserve coach of the year ?
Next time put the cape on your avi as well
Freddie Roach is the Phil Jackson of Boxing trainers.
No, he doesn't start with them from the bottom, but he usually gets the most out of every fighter he trains (higher than any other trainer) and gets them to Championship pedigree
No, he doesn't start with them from the bottom, but he usually gets the most out of every fighter he trains (higher than any other trainer) and gets them to Championship pedigree
Black_Jesus
Superstar
You right.. Roach should've got trainer of the decade for successfully taking a guy from Featherweight all the way up to JMW.. Show some respect bytch nikka
Mr. Leonidas
All Star
Its FIGHT WEEK and for the last 6 years I e had a strong opinion on the outcome of Mayweather vs Pacquiao, and it hasn't changed- Pacquiao wins by KO in 6 rounds.
Look at SupaScorpio y all, look at him. Now I see why you have that S on your chest, where your cape at bro ?
You trying too hard now. Way too hard. Telling me if I know who Nacho and Abel are ?
all because I said Roach don't deserve coach of the year ?
Next time put the cape on your avi as well
it is hate you spewed which masks of lack of knowledge and i would have ignored it but that fact you mentioned angel garcia left me no choice but to respond..youre talking out of your ass and above posts is proof
mayweathers unlike angel garcia have trained champions outside of their kin
angel garcia cant even teach his kid how to slip a gotdamn jab bu bu bu he's raised to be a champion
..danny is getting exposed out here breh 
virgil hunter's only real pro success is with andre ward to date..as of right now roach trained khan > hunter trained khan
roberto garcia main fighters.ironically share some of the discipline problems that roberto suffered as a fighter like rios and his kid brother..he's also one of the reasons why margo is all fukked up now
they can all be picked apart
iceberg_is_on_fire
Honolulu Blue Ski Mask Way
Why isn't Manny doing the Grand Arrival at the MGM?
Mike Otherz
All Star
where do these guys rank historically in boxing and where do they rank depending on saturdays outcome? steve bunce has an article talking about the fight and casually mentions that oscar de la hoya in his prime would have beaten both. and when you think about it, its hard to argue. oscar at his best was at light welterweight to me, he was fast, hit very hard, and was more measured. i still think the first chavez fight was his best performance. plus u see how hard it was for floyd to beat an older oscar and its hard to seehim beating oscar in his prime.
i dont even take manny win over oscar that serious. dlh was weight drained.
at the same time i dont wanna take away from floyd and manny, 2 great fighters.
floyd doesnt hit hard enough for me to rank him with the leonards, durans, hearns and haglers, let alone robinson and armstrongs. i think manny should rank higher than floyd historically just cause his achievements are more incredible for one, and his power and speed and angle combinations would have made him a threat in any era.
i think he could win this weekend. floyd has slowed down, and manny is always very busy. floyd isnt a busy fighter. manny raises the pace and gets the decision or even a early shock stoppage.
having said all that, i admire floyd tremendously for being his own man, escaping bob arum and not falling for media and moralistic hypocrisy out there posing as journallism. i like manny a lot as a person but i prefer floyd tbh. i just think this fight might be beyond him. i would have picked money may to win 5 years ago though.
i dont even take manny win over oscar that serious. dlh was weight drained.
at the same time i dont wanna take away from floyd and manny, 2 great fighters.
floyd doesnt hit hard enough for me to rank him with the leonards, durans, hearns and haglers, let alone robinson and armstrongs. i think manny should rank higher than floyd historically just cause his achievements are more incredible for one, and his power and speed and angle combinations would have made him a threat in any era.
i think he could win this weekend. floyd has slowed down, and manny is always very busy. floyd isnt a busy fighter. manny raises the pace and gets the decision or even a early shock stoppage.
having said all that, i admire floyd tremendously for being his own man, escaping bob arum and not falling for media and moralistic hypocrisy out there posing as journallism. i like manny a lot as a person but i prefer floyd tbh. i just think this fight might be beyond him. i would have picked money may to win 5 years ago though.
InvictusAeternusEternus
In the cut
iceberg_is_on_fire
Honolulu Blue Ski Mask Way
#SOG_soldier
New York knicks and phoenix suns stan
Hold on don't sneak diss my nikka angelthis sounds like pure hate..and did you just mention angel garcia?
But I agree with your main point
InvictusAeternusEternus
In the cut
You right.. Roach should've got trainer of the decade for successfully taking a guy from Featherweight all the way up to JMW.. Show some respect bytch nikka
Don't even know the history of the fighter you religiously stan brehs
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
it is hate you spewed which masks of lack of knowledge and i would have ignored it but that fact you mentioned angel garcia left me no choice but to respond..youre talking out of your ass and above posts is proof
mayweathers unlike angel garcia have trained champions outside of their kin
angel garcia cant even teach his kid how to slip a gotdamn jab bu bu bu he's raised to be a champion
virgil hunter's only real pro success is with andre ward to date..as of right now roach trained khan > hunter trained khan
roberto garcia main fighters.ironically share some of the discipline problems that roberto suffered as a fighter like rios and his kid brother..he's also one of the reasons why margo is all fukked up now
they can all be picked apart
blah blah lack of knowledge. All of Roach fighters fight the same way he used to fight. I can play that game too.
Khan had zero defense under Roach... I can do that too.
the post was about Roach being overrated and making comparisons instead you're coming out gun blazing sitting behind your screen talking to me outta my ass (you said it negga)
You must be feeling something cuz you been aggy for the past week
I d fly to come watch the fight with you. Tickets not an issue. I wanna look you in the eye after every right hand landed on Pac face. I wanna see you shiver and get mad.
Oh yeah, I d take your lemon pepper wings too
Testing has been done for both fighters
I searched and came across this article through Victor Conte's twitter feed:
All I wanted someone to provide was this
As long as they are BOTH being tested, we know that they will both be clean and without perfomance enhancing drugs in their systems.......so may the best man win
I searched and came across this article through Victor Conte's twitter feed:
Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao have drug testing, but some aren't sure that's enough
Date April 28, 2015 - 10:20AM
Floyd Mayweather has agreed to drug testing in the lead-up to his fight against Manny Pacquiao. Photo: Isaac Brekken
For weeks, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have been met at all hours by strangers. They've been visited in their homes and in their gyms, voluntarily giving blood and urine aimed at ensuring both boxers enter the ring for Sunday's much-anticipated fight completely drug-free.
Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), calls it a "gold standard program that meets best international standards". USADA is the independent agency overseeing drug-testing for the fight, using many of the same stringent practices and standards it applies to US Olympic athletes.
"A real tribute to both of these fighters for voluntarily agreeing to do it," Tygart said. "I think it speaks volumes for the importance of health and safety in a sport like boxing and just as importantly, for the integrity of the competition."
For others, the drug-testing program might be a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't ensure that the sport - and Sunday's fight, more specifically - is clean.
"Is Floyd Mayweather doing Olympic-style testing? Absolutely not," said Victor Conte, the infamous founder of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO).
Conte made his name helping athletes subvert drug tests and sports bylaws. After serving time in prison, he now is an outspoken advocate for clean sport and a balanced playing field.
"Don't get me wrong: Some testing is better than no testing," Conte said. "But it's still relatively easy to circumvent Olympic-style testing, let alone what Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are doing."
Conte takes issue with Mayweather using his negotiating leverage to control terms of the testing. While Mayweather has submitted himself to drug tests for eight straight bouts, it's always limited to the brief period right before a fight. Pacquiao and Mayweather, for example, will have been tested only in the seven-week window prior to Sunday's opening bell.
"I don't call 'random testing' being able to dictate when the testing starts, and that's exactly what Mayweather does," Conte says. "'Okay, we're signing the fight. Here's a check, USADA. The testing starts now.' Do you think that's effective?"
Conte points out that athletes can use drugs before a testing period begins and still enjoy the benefits weeks or months later. Plus, athletes prone to performance enhancers likely would use banned substances to recover in the days after a competition, a period absent from testing.
Mayweather has contracted with USADA for every bout since fighting Shane Mosley in May 2010. He's been tested 83 times in all - clean each time - averaging nearly a dozen tests for each fight, according to USADA statistics. He fought twice last year and was tested 32 total times.
This will mark Pacquiao's first bout with USADA testing, though he was subject to testing by the Las Vegas-based Voluntary Anti-Doping Association in his last two outings. Both fighters have agreed to abide by the World Anti-Doping Agency code. That means a positive test could result in a four-year ban from competition.
USADA sent staff members to both fighters' camps six weeks ago to explain the process and answer questions. The boxers were put in the testing pool and were immediately subjected to random visits.
USADA doesn't release the exact number of tests planned, but fighters are visited at all hours of the day, usually at their homes or gyms. Each has had to submit to both blood and urine testing in the weeks before Saturday's bout and were subject to the WADA's complete list of banned substances, including EPO, human growth hormone and synthetic testosterone. The test samples will be stored for 10 years, in case future testing is required.
"It's miles ahead of anything that is otherwise out there," Tygart said. "Is it as ideal as what a year-round Olympic athlete falls into? Well, it's not quite there yet. But we wouldn't perform a program if we weren't comfortable if given the obvious constraints it led to a healthy, safe clean competition."
While neither Mayweather nor Pacquiao ever has tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, each has faced his share of scrutiny and questions in recent years.
Veteran trainer Teddy Atlas has followed Pacquiao's career closely and has his suspicions.
"Eye test and my common sense test tells me, when I look at pictures, and I look at video, he was a bigger guy ... He's a smaller guy now," Atlas, a boxing analyst for ESPN, said in a recent interview. "I know you shrink when you get into your 70s, but I don't know if you shrink when you're 36."
When the megafight was initially to be staged more than five years ago, Pacquiao's camp was hesitant to agree to the proposed drug-testing program and the deal fell apart.
"The first time it was our fault," Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach said, "because Manny was afraid of needles. And that is true. We didn't want to do a drug test like three days or two days or one day before the fight. We wanted to have more time, and they wouldn't give it to us."
Bob Arum, the fighter's promoter, said that six years ago, "We were neophytes on it, and we didn't understand what they were talking about ... And now we understand it."
Early disagreements over the testing sparked public jawing, creating nasty friction and a large division between the two camps. In December 2009, Pacquiao sued Mayweather and many in his camp for defamation, saying they'd falsely accused him of using performance-enhancing drugs.
There have long been rumors in boxing circles that Mayweather might have posted suspect results - a tainted "A" sample - that were never publicised.
As part of the Pacquiao's lawsuit, the fighter subpoenaed all testing documents in 2012. But in September of that year, the two sides reached a confidential settlement and the documents were never produced. (Tygart said he's not aware of Mayweather ever testing positive in a USADA-administered test.)
"At the end of the day, it's great that they've come together to put it in place," Tygart said. "It speaks volumes for the importance of safe and healthy competition. When you get in the ring and your job is to knock someone out, you want to make sure it's not done artificially."
On that point, Conte is in complete agreement, which is why he feels more needs to be done. Without a single governing body, boxing and its protocols are always going to be fractured. Different states have different levels of commitment to clean sport, and the result is a patchwork of both regulations and expectations, typically forcing promoters to take the initiative and install drug-testing clauses in contracts.
Conte says in a perfect world, the sport would mandate that any fighter ranked in the top-10 be subject to year-round testing.
"When the objective of the sport is bodily harm, you have to have testing," he said. "This isn't hitting a ball over fence or running faster than the guy next to you. It's about bashing a guy's brains in. The combat sports more than others need 24-7-365 testing."
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/...-arent-sure-thats-enough-20150428-1museo.html
All I wanted someone to provide was this
As long as they are BOTH being tested, we know that they will both be clean and without perfomance enhancing drugs in their systems.......so may the best man win