Pacquiao to return vs. Garcia or Vargas?

[mr. smoke weed]

Manny wou

Bring facts to the table fukk boy, how could current Manny beat Swift when he got slept by a fighter with Alvarado problems...can swift and his scarely accurate right hand not land those same shots 40 year old did

Facts are Manny is much much faster and quicker. Swift wasn't fast nor a master boxer at 140, and is the same at 147. Yes Manny can be timed and countered. He also does major work on opponents with slower feet, something swift has. JMM took 3 fights to learn how to consistently counter Manny, BATB was doing good in fight 2 but that's about all recently. The jmm perfect punch was literally a perfect right hand. Plus Manny is a superior boxer by folds.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Thurnan shot fgist now, Miss me with this Thurman shyt, ghost gave that boy a whooping that stayed on his face for months...wasn't in trouble vs swift, I watch tape, vs Thurman he kept coming forward, vs swift he apprehensively plodded forward while eating some of the sharpest prettiest counters you'll see, I had legit concern for his safety there.

With Thurman that was a clash of heads. He looked like a Klingon immediately after that clash, and he still decisively won that fight. That clash of heads is the only reason Ghost didnt end up literally a ghost during that fight. And he aint been right since.

That said, 2016 Garcia is still a question mark. Salka, Paulie and post azz whoopin from Thurman-Guerrero isnt a good gauge of Garcia since jumping to 147. He didnt look brilliant against Peterson either.

 

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Facts are Manny is much much faster and quicker. Swift wasn't fast nor a master boxer at 140, and is the same at 147. Yes Manny can be timed and countered. He also does major work on opponents with slower feet, something swift has. JMM took 3 fights to learn how to consistently counter Manny, BATB was doing good in fight 2 but that's about all recently. The jmm perfect punch was literally a perfect right hand. Plus Manny is a superior boxer by folds.

Jmm arguably beat Manny three times, and how the fukk it was a lucky/ perfect punch when jmm dropped him with a lunging right round 3

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Jmm arguably beat Manny three times, and how the fukk it was a lucky/ perfect punch when jmm dropped him with a lunging right round 3

Cause manny jumped right fukkin into it

Regardless that has 1/16th to do with my post. This is as accurate as your Rios is gonna drop Bradley 6 times n TKO him prediction breh.

 

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With Thurman that was a clash of heads. He looked like a Klingon immediately after that clash, and he still decisively won that fight. That clash of heads is the only reason Ghost didnt end up literally a ghost during that fight. And he aint been right since.

That said, 2016 Garcia is still a question mark. Salka, Paulie and post azz whoopin from Thurman-Guerrero isnt a good gauge of Garcia since jumping to 147. He didnt look brilliant against Peterson either.

One headbutt doesn't turn you into Martin after tommy hearns, one headbutt doesn't give you two black eyes for two months lol..Now the ghost was finished after Thurman like we all didn't see chinaboy laying all type of hands on him it was then Guerrero was shot, even still Thurman like the only nikka that struggled with that shot fighter thereafter, we talking about elite fighters miss me with this Thurman shyt

 

[TheNig]

Defensively inept ass Gift is supposed to beat the Wolverine?

 

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Defensively inept ass Gift is supposed to beat the Wolverine?

Only fights swift looked bad he was severely drained, Manny can be touched margarito did, jmm did, Bradley did even stunned him last fight he'll have to play it defensive 12 rounds without going into brawl mode, not gonna happen vs swift

 

[TheProfessor]

Swift can't out box pac are you serious breh?

Swift may not be able to "outbox" Pacquiao but he can beat him. He can counter him, he can work the body, and he can hurt him.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Swift may not be able to "outbox" Pacquiao but he can beat him. He can counter him, he can work the body, and he can hurt him.

Did I say that he couldn't. Do you think I used the phrase 'outbox' for shyts n giggles breh?

Yea Swift can beat him, boxing is any given Sunday and Swift is on the cusp of being a very good WW. However, Manny is an ELITE WW jr WW, ATG who just easily dispatched of a top 3 WW in April. Swift CAN beat Pac, it's just unlikely.

 

[TheProfessor]

Did I say that he couldn't. Do you think I used the phrase 'outbox' for shyts n giggles breh?

Yea Swift can beat him, boxing is any given Sunday and Swift is on the cusp of being a very good WW. However, Manny is an ELITE WW jr WW, ATG who just easily dispatched of a top 3 WW in April. Swift CAN beat Pac, it's just unlikely.

Ok so we agree. And I don't consider Bradley a top three welter. Maybe in terms of resume but his best days are behind him. I'd pick Thurman, Garcia, Brook, Pacquiao, probably Porter to beat him.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

They don't want to deal with that straight left. Even on old Manny is too much for Gift and they know it.

 

[Jello Biafra]

WTF is with these PBC dudes passing on multiple millions and a shot at becoming a PPV star? First Biscuits and now Swift...that shyt makes no sense.
And I know the PBC guys turning the fight down is making Arum happy because he is desperate to have Manny fight the winner of Postol/Crawford. I think the only problem there is that Manny isn't going to fight anyone who is not bringing something to the table in terms of name recognition and fan support.

So the odds of his fighting the winner of Postol/Crawford will rely heavily on just how that PPV does. And I hate to be a naysayer but I don't see that card making more than $37. No one gives a damn about the fight or those fighters in the grand scheme of things.

Same goes for Vargas. No one is going to give a fukk about a Manny vs Vargas PPV. Just like no one will give a fukk about a Manny vs Crawford/Postol PPV.
Hopefully Allah Haymon realizes that a win over Manny is good business for PBC and can cajole either Biscuits or Danny into taking the offers being made.

 

[MIAlien]

WTF is with these PBC dudes passing on multiple millions and a shot at becoming a PPV star? First Biscuits and now Swift...that shyt makes no sense.
And I know the PBC guys turning the fight down is making Arum happy because he is desperate to have Manny fight the winner of Postol/Crawford. I think the only problem there is that Manny isn't going to fight anyone who is not bringing something to the table in terms of name recognition and fan support.

So the odds of his fighting the winner of Postol/Crawford will rely heavily on just how that PPV does. And I hate to be a naysayer but I don't see that card making more than $37. No one gives a damn about the fight or those fighters in the grand scheme of things.

Same goes for Vargas. No one is going to give a fukk about a Manny vs Vargas PPV. Just like no one will give a fukk about a Manny vs Crawford/Postol PPV.
Hopefully Allah Haymon realizes that a win over Manny is good business for PBC and can cajole either Biscuits or Danny into taking the offers being made.

I'm guessing you mean the PPV won't do very well, which I agree with, but PLENTY of boxing fans will care about Manny/Craw or Manny/Postol. It's a huge fight that'll either create a new big time star/top fighter at 140/147 or show us how great Pac still is. And if that's true, then why does it matter how well the PPV does? As long as it's either a big fight or a meaningful one, then it's a good move. It doesn't have to be both.

Vargas is a waste of time though. So is Broner. Fighting Thurman would have close to the same effect as Crawford or Postol vs Pac.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I'm guessing you mean the PPV won't do very well, which I agree with, but PLENTY of boxing fans will care about Manny/Craw or Manny/Postol. It's a huge fight that'll either create a new big time star/top fighter at 140/147 or show us how great Pac still is. And if that's true, then why does it matter how well the PPV does? As long as it's either a big fight or a meaningful one, then it's a good move. It doesn't have to be both.

Vargas is a waste of time though. So is Broner. Fighting Thurman would have close to the same effect as Crawford or Postol vs Pac.
When I say no one cares I mean no one but boxing diehards care. The general public or even the casual fan aren't checking for Crawford/Postol at all. So it matters because Manny vs a Crawford or Postol is just a Manny fight. Crawford and Postol bring nothing to the table as far as selling a PPV. And at this stage of Manny's career I would say it has to be a big fight and a meaningful fight.
And I would argue that Thurman (or Broner and Swift) are bigger than Crawford by a wide margin in terms of star power. Crawford hasn't been drawing huge ratings for his fights and he hasn't been given nearly as much exposure as the PBC fighters.
Thurman, Broner and Garcia all got better ratings on Showtime than Crawford has gotten on HBO and they have tripled or even quadrupled his ratings when they fought on one of the Big 4 networks.