Oscar's cross dressing ways continue even w/o fishnets. GB planning on suing Al Haymon.

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Heating up.

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/abc...eral-to-launch-investigation-of-haymon-288802

By Karl Freitag
The Association of Boxing Commissions has asked the Attorney General of the United States to investigate “Alvin Haymon and various companies associated with him” for allegedly breaking numerous provisions of the Muhammad Ali Act.
In a six page letter to the Attorney General Loretta Lynch, ABC President Tim Lueckenhoff wrote, “Haymon and related companies make no attempt to hide that they operate in the dual capacities of promoter and manager. It was the Vice President of Operations “Haymon Boxing” which sat on the dais and participated in the announcement of the PBC series on NBC. No other promoter was present. Frankly Haymon seems to be flouting this breach of the Firewall provision of the Muhammad Ali Act.”
Lueckenhoff also cited numerous other apparent Muhammad Ali Act violations made by Haymon/PBC and noted that PBC appears headed toward also becoming a sanctioning organization with their own “in house” champions and belts.
The letter concludes, “The ABC has no resources or authority to investigate further or to take action with respect to this. However, we can and do request that there is “reasonable cause to believe” that Haymon is “engaged in a violation of this chapter” [15 U.S.C. 6301 et. seq.] and that 15 U.S.C. 6309 gives express authority to the United States Attorney General’s Office to investigate and to take action. We ask that you do so.”

Investigate. Go ahead no problem with a law that the industry it is to protect doesn't like. They will see PBC is suped up Friday Night Fights.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Heating up.

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/abc...eral-to-launch-investigation-of-haymon-288802

By Karl Freitag
The Association of Boxing Commissions has asked the Attorney General of the United States to investigate “Alvin Haymon and various companies associated with him” for allegedly breaking numerous provisions of the Muhammad Ali Act.
In a six page letter to the Attorney General Loretta Lynch, ABC President Tim Lueckenhoff wrote, “Haymon and related companies make no attempt to hide that they operate in the dual capacities of promoter and manager. It was the Vice President of Operations “Haymon Boxing” which sat on the dais and participated in the announcement of the PBC series on NBC. No other promoter was present. Frankly Haymon seems to be flouting this breach of the Firewall provision of the Muhammad Ali Act.”
Lueckenhoff also cited numerous other apparent Muhammad Ali Act violations made by Haymon/PBC and noted that PBC appears headed toward also becoming a sanctioning organization with their own “in house” champions and belts.
The letter concludes, “The ABC has no resources or authority to investigate further or to take action with respect to this. However, we can and do request that there is “reasonable cause to believe” that Haymon is “engaged in a violation of this chapter” [15 U.S.C. 6301 et. seq.] and that 15 U.S.C. 6309 gives express authority to the United States Attorney General’s Office to investigate and to take action. We ask that you do so.”

the bold is what it is all about because boxers pay commissions to hold belts and those commissions pay them, the ABC. This is all about money and he breaking down the current structure where everybody eats off more of the boxer than the boxers themselves.

 

[MIAlien]

All those people DLH could call out including himself would have to make their dealings public knowledge and no one would want that. It is defamation if you're suing someone portraying them as acting illegally and not at the interests of boxers who that act is PRIMARILY protecting not scorn bytches. Since the acts PRIMARY concern is boxers' interest, DLH will have to provide a boxer who was hurt in his practicing. He will have to. As a defense attorney, show me the boxer and not a scorned formal ally who was harmed in Haymon allegedly doing dual roles as manager and promoter. All Haymon have to do is not have fights in Cali and Vegas would gladly accept the business and publicity.

Most boxers aren't fans of the act. Probably because of shyt like this.

If DLH is suing, that means he's ready to put a lot of things out there. It means he's ready to be deposed and answer questions too. And Haymon will likely bring up all the personal things you're bringing up in a deposition.

And I get that you're giving me a layman's explanation of things, but defamation law doesn't work the way you say it does. First, If what DLH is suing for ends up being true, that's a defense to defamation. Second, even if he loses the suit, that's not enough to qualify as defamation. Third, if the case is dismissed because there's no material issue of fact or law, that may not be enough for defamation. That's because Haymon is a public figure, so the standard is much higher to prove defamation against him. Hayman would have to prove actual malice, and that's difficult to prove.

And like I said before, DLH does NOT have to bring a boxer into it to show he standing. He can show he has standing because he's a boxing promoter looking to the court to uphold the purposes of the law, including the portion about helping the commissions provide oversight, and enhance the overall integrity of the sport. No court has decided that a promoter doesn't have standing to sue under the Act, and the Act doesn't expressly prohibit it. It would therefore be up to whoever the judge is to decide that.

You keep bringing up personal things, but legally, DLH has a good case here. And Haymon can leave California, but he can take back the business he's already done. And once they have precedent in California, they'll sue in Vegas and everywhere else.

 

[unseen]

Dudes on this site ride haymon nuts way too hard

Oscar is justified in some kind of legal action. Haymon and Schaffer pretty much fleeced goldenboy while Oscar was off being a crackhead. Oscar shoulda been minding shyt but he's still entitled to some legal action.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I'm happy that Allah Haymon is bringing more boxing to the masses but let's all be real...dude is violating the fukk out of that Ali Act.

 

[Batsute]

From how I understand it brehs if Allah Haymon can set up his own league ie MLB NBA I'm all for it cause this Cold War is bs.

Create true rankings and a boxer's association the same as the major leagues.

 

[Mook]

I'm happy that Allah Haymon is bringing more boxing to the masses but let's all be real...dude is violating the fukk out of that Ali Act.

While we're at it, its bullshyt UFC isnt under that act.

 

[Jello Biafra]

While we're at it, its bullshyt UFC isnt under that act.

I am sure that if put under any real scrutiny the practices employed by Dana and the Fertitta's with UFC's fighters would get them in all sorts of legal trouble.

 

[mson]

Defamation? How so? Explain it to me. Not only is Al Haymon a public figure, which makes it extremely difficult to prove defamation, you can't file a defamation suit for a previously filed lawsuit unless certain special exceptions exist. And what is DLH accusing Haymon of that he can prove untrue WITHOUT a trial? And even if he can prove any of it is untrue, is any of it causing real damage to him?Is there any monetary damage to his reputation in this suit? Nope. Don't just throw legal terms out there when they can't be proven. Haymon suing for defamation is only worth it to show he's ready to put up a fight. A judge would throw it out quickly and wait for the results of this suit.

Like I said before, DLH can establish that in his working relationship with Haymon that Haymon has taken on the role of a manager. That means negotiations about fight, contracts, locations, and fees. Furthermore, he can use statements from Ryan Caldwell and other PBC execs about PBC and Haymon to show that Haymon has taken on a promoter's role. That's explained in the article. He can also draw on the past to show times when Haymon has attempted to take on the role of a promoter with Golden Boy, HBO, and Showtime. He can call on people from HBO and Showtime, contracts with them negotiated by Haymon on behalf of fighters. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The lawsuit isn't frivolous. I've laid out the arguments he can make and they're good enough to survive any motions to dismiss.

And none of this is speculation. It's an open secret that Haymon created, funded, and controls PBC, a promotional entity. That makes him a promoter. On top of that, he "advises" 150 fighters on who to fight, when to fight, and negotiates how much they will make. That makes him a manager. Those two things create a possible violation of The Ali Act. There's enough facts to establish both of those things. And that small amount is enough to withstand any challenges to dismiss, and open Haymon and PBC up to the discovery process, where DLH can dig in and find a lot more damaging info. And I'm sure Haymon doesn't want to be dragged through a deposition. So he'll be looking to settle.

All you're doing is trying to explain his motives for suing, which are irrelevant if he has legal and factual grounds to sue, which he does. You haven't offered any solid counters about the Ali Act portion of the suit, which I'll remind you again, is only one portion of a larger lawsuit involving Anti-trust and unfair business competition laws in California.

You seem to know the law well?

 

[MIAlien]

You seem to know the law well?

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I'm happy that Allah Haymon is bringing more boxing to the masses but let's all be real...dude is violating the fukk out of that Ali Act.

So AL HAYMON wasnt violating The ALI act when he was working as an advisor to GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS?!?!

FUKK OUTTA HERE

DE LA HOYA only made it an issue when a majority of his fighters such as Santa Cruz excersized thier buyout option to LEAVE GOLDEN BOY

Simply because they realized who had The better opportunities and business model to have a presence on Television and access to greater revenue

Something DE LA HOYA wasnt able to do

Golden Boy has made this PERSONAL

When in reality its JUST BUSINESS

 

[MJ Truth]

This is America. Everybody gets sued for everything especially in business. Who really gives a fukk about this one (outside of those with actual involvement, not emotional attachment).

 

[MJ Truth]

From how I understand it brehs if Allah Haymon can set up his own league ie MLB NBA I'm all for it cause this Cold War is bs.

Create true rankings and a boxer's association the same as the major leagues.

fukk that. You're basically talking about turning boxing into the UFC.

 

[Batsute]

fukk that. You're basically talking about turning boxing into the UFC.

Not if there's a union breh, as far as i know and correct me if im wrong the UFC fighters dont have a fighters association like the NBA or NFL. These alphabet associations allows too much ducking and bullshyt fights, if its regulated like the other sports and operates with transparency this could be a good thing.