Oscar De La Hoya on B-Hop: "You have to probably put him in the Top 10 All-Time Greats In Any Era"

[YourMajesty]

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You think a rapper can beat up a current World Champion?

"Dame think I'm bugging cause I wanna fight B-Hop, I say I'll fukk em up with two months of detox"

I think Killa a drop em in 10rds

 

[krackdagawd]

In after furious Roy Jones stans

It can be argued that he's not even top 50 all-time.

People need to keep in mind how deep the history of this sport is...and make sure they're well versed on that history before they start lobbing around all-time great rankings.

BTW B-Hop is probably not even top 10 All-Time in his best and strongest weightclass... Middleweight. So how the hell is he top 10, top 15, top 20...shyt top 30-40 all-time p4p.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Top 10 is pushing it but there is no arguing he's top 20...

IMO Hopkins has always been criminally underrated, I still remember when nobody would even put his fights on TV before he gave Tito that work...

Hop never was flashy, his style does not cater to the casual hence why he has always flown under the radar...What Hop is, is a master technician in that ring like no other before him...He hasn't fallen off because he was never dependent on god given ability...He truly dedicated his entire life to his craft and continues to do so...His uncanny ability to completely control the pace of a fight is as legendary as the Ali shuffle, Tyson's uppercuts and Marciano's right hook...It is why at 51 years old he still giving these young cats the business...

I don't respect nobody who hates on this man...

You ain't got Hopkins in your top 20, you don't know shyt about boxing...

 

[H.I.M.]

Top 10 is pushing it but there is no arguing he's top 20...

IMO Hopkins has always been criminally underrated, I still remember when nobody would even put his fights on TV before he gave Tito that work...

Hop never was flashy, his style does not cater to the casual hence why he has always flown under the radar...What Hop is, is a master technician in that ring like no other before him...He hasn't fallen off because he was never dependent on god given ability...He truly dedicated his entire life to his craft and continues to do so...His uncanny ability to completely control the pace of a fight is as legendary as the Ali shuffle, Tyson's uppercuts and Marciano's right hook...It is why at 51 years old he still giving these young cats the business...

I don't respect nobody who hates on this man...

You ain't got Hopkins in your top 20, you don't know shyt about boxing...

Name me one reputable boxing journalist/historian/publication that rates B-Hop in the 20 greatest boxers to ever live.

Protip: You won't be able to do it.

How about you list your 20 greatest fighters of all time since it's so easy and clearcut.

 

[H.I.M.]

@krackdagawd

While we're at it...why don't you list your top 15 all-time...this should be good for a laugh.

 

[H.I.M.]

This is a top 100 all-time great list put together via poll by the staff at the transnational boxing ratings board which is comprised of some of the most respected and knowledgable boxing journalists & historians in the industry and it was done about a year ago.

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55 – Evander Holyfield
56 - Young Corbett III
57 - Mike Gibbons
58 – Ted Kid Lewis
59 - Freddie Welsh
60 - Freddie Steele
61 - Lou Ambers
62 - Salvador Sanchez
63 - Wilfredo Gomez
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Rocky Marciano
66 - Abe Attell
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Harold Johnson
69 - dikk Tiger
70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
71 - Carmen Basilio
72 - Carlos Zarate
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Oscar De La Hoya
75 - Azumah Nelson
76 - Mike McCallum
77 - Lary Holmes
78 - Bob Foster
79 - Teddy Yarosz
80 - Jim Driscoll
81 - Panama Al Brown
82 - Pascual Perez
83 - Lloyd Marshall
84 – Jake LaMotta
85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Young Griffo
91 - Fritzie Zivic
92 - Joe Frazier
93 - Pete Herman
94 - Lennox Lewis
95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - James Toney
98 - Nicolino Locche
99 - Jung Koo Chang
100-George Foreman

Now i'm not in full agreement with everybodys placement on this list...but if you disagree with B-Hop's placement please give me a resume by resume breakdown of how B-Hop is greater than any of those fighters rated ahead of him or those rated in the top 20 or even top 30.
I mean it's crystal clear with NO ARGUMENT that B-Hop deserves to be rated in the top 20. So a breakdown of why when compared to the fighters rated above him should be quite simple, correct?

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Name me one reputable boxing journalist/historian/publication that rates B-Hop in the 20 greatest boxers to ever live.

Protip: You won't be able to do it.

How about you list your 20 greatest fighters of all time since it's so easy and clearcut.

Off the top of my head in no particular order...

Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali
Henry Armstrong
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Jack Johnson
Archie Moore
Harry Greb
Barney Ross
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Gans
George Foreman
Stanley Ketchel
Jim Wilde
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Tony Canzoneri
Bernard Hopkins

Records don't mean shyt to me, a lot fo these old timers fought cab drivers and hot dog venders (Joe Louis for example is infamous for that)...I look at resume's and skills...Hopkins resume and skillset speaks for itself...

 

[H.I.M.]

Off the top of my head in no particular order...

Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali
Henry Armstrong
Joe Louis
Willie Pep
Jack Johnson
Archie Moore
Harry Greb
Barney Ross
Sam Langford
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Gans
George Foreman
Stanley Ketchel
Jim Wilde
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Tony Canzoneri
Bernard Hopkins

NO EZZARD CHARLES Benny Leonard, Mickey Walker in your top 20

@ B-Hop having a better resume and career acheivements than Burley, Tunney, Monzon, Hagler, Jones Jr. Pacquiao, Mayweather, Spinks, Jofre, Griffith, Napoles, Holyfield, Whitaker, Hearns etc. etc. etc.

That struggle attempt to fit B-Hop on a top 20 ATG list

shyt looks even more ridiculous when you break it down.

Records don't mean shyt to me, a lot fo these old timers fought cab drivers and hot dog venders (Joe Louis for example is infamous for that)...I look at resume's and skills...Hopkins resume and skillset speaks for itself...

Pot...kettle...
You musta been in a coma thru B-Hop's Middleweight run.



And Louis beat twice as many world rated opponents as B-Hop and his career only lasted half as long.

So if Louis only feasted on hot dog vendors but still found time to beat twice as many world class opponents as B-Hop in a career that was half as short...what does that say about B-Hop.

 

[OC's finest]

This is a top 100 all-time great list put together via poll by the staff at the transnational boxing ratings board which is comprised of some of the most respected and knowledgable boxing journalists & historians in the industry and it was done about a year ago.

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55 – Evander Holyfield
56 - Young Corbett III
57 - Mike Gibbons
58 – Ted Kid Lewis
59 - Freddie Welsh
60 - Freddie Steele
61 - Lou Ambers
62 - Salvador Sanchez
63 - Wilfredo Gomez
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Rocky Marciano
66 - Abe Attell
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Harold Johnson
69 - dikk Tiger
70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
71 - Carmen Basilio
72 - Carlos Zarate
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Oscar De La Hoya
75 - Azumah Nelson
76 - Mike McCallum
77 - Lary Holmes
78 - Bob Foster
79 - Teddy Yarosz
80 - Jim Driscoll
81 - Panama Al Brown
82 - Pascual Perez
83 - Lloyd Marshall
84 – Jake LaMotta
85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Young Griffo
91 - Fritzie Zivic
92 - Joe Frazier
93 - Pete Herman
94 - Lennox Lewis
95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - James Toney
98 - Nicolino Locche
99 - Jung Koo Chang
100-George Foreman

Now i'm not in full agreement with everybodys placement on this list...but if you disagree with B-Hop's placement please give me a resume by resume breakdown of how B-Hop is greater than any of those fighters rated ahead of him or those rated in the top 20 or even top 30.
I mean it's crystal clear with NO ARGUMENT that B-Hop deserves to be rated in the top 20. So a breakdown of why when compared to the fighters rated above him should be quite simple, correct?

i don't respect none of those top lists by those old geezers. all those fukers are like 70 years old and just hold onto their glory days and think fighters from back then were SOOOOOO much better.

fukers will never give mayweather, pacquiao, DLH, hopkins their due.

they over-rate the fighters from the past.

truth b told, alotta those fighters from the past would get absolutely smoked by modern day fighters. the fight game has changed significantly since back then. better nutrition, diet, genetics, training methods, and athleticism are way diff.

its like comparing dudes that played in the nba from the 50s to lebron james, kobe, and jordan.

floyd mayweather at 47?

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

NO EZZARD CHARLES Benny Leonard, Mickey Walker in your top 20

@ B-Hop having a better resume and career acheivements than Burley, Tunney, Monzon, Hagler, Jones Jr. Pacquiao, Mayweather, Spinks, Jofre, Griffith, Napoles, Holyfield, Whitaker, Hearns etc. etc. etc.

That struggle attempt to fit B-Hop on a top 20 ATG list

shyt looks even more ridiculous when you break it down.



Pot...kettle...
You musta been in a coma thru B-Hop's Middleweight run.


And Louis beat twice as many world rated opponents as B-Hop and his career only lasted half as long.

So if Louis only feasted on hot dog vendors but still found time to beat twice as many world class opponents as B-Hop in a career that was half as short...what does that say about B-Hop.

@ this struggle trolling...

nikka have you ever even seen Burley, Tunney, Benny Leonard and Mickey Walker fight ?


@ Jones Jr. Mayweather, Spinks, Jofre, Griffith, Napoles, Holyfield, Whitaker, Hearns being ranked above the longest reigning MW champ of all time...Hearns most notable victory was against an old blown up Duran yet you rank him above Hopkins...You are comedy son...

 

[Achille]

@ this struggle trolling...

nikka have you ever even seen Burley, Tunney, Benny Leonard and Mickey Walker fight ?


@ Jones Jr. Mayweather, Spinks, Jofre, Griffith, Napoles, Holyfield, Whitaker, Hearns being ranked above the longest reigning MW champ of all time...Hearns most notable victory was against an old blown up Duran yet you rank him above Hopkins...You are comedy son...

The same thing can be said for Hopkins top fights at MW he was fighting a blown up Hoya and Trinidad until he met up with Jermaine Taylor. Jones beat him pretty easily at MW in 93. Let's not forget the only reason B-Hop got the all -time MW defenses is because RJJ moved to Super Middleweight. If he would of stayed at MW the reign would be easy sailing for him.

 

[H.I.M.]

@ this struggle trolling...

nikka have you ever even seen Burley, Tunney, Benny Leonard and Mickey Walker fight

Yet you have Greb, Langford, Gans, Ross, Ketchel, Wilde on your top 20 ATG list.

I can make a top 20 ATG list with fighters who we only have film of and B-Hop still wouldn't make the cut.

@ Jones Jr. Mayweather, Spinks, Jofre, Griffith, Napoles, Holyfield, Whitaker, Hearns being ranked above the longest reigning MW champ of all time

He held a paper title all throughout the 90's and only has 6 defenses of a REAL lineal/undisputed title. Incomparable to what Monzon & Hagler did in the division, nor did he beat the quality of fighters they beat at Middleweight.

And if you overly value a long string of paper title defenses...how much LOWER do you rate B-Hop BENEATH Dariusz Michalczewski, Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke?

Hearns most notable victory was against an old blown up Duran yet you rank him above Hopkins

Oh the irony

And way to shyt on the greatness of the fighter you're in here championing.

Duran is miles ahead of anybody on B-Hop's resume...and had more proven capability in the weightclass Hearns beat him in, and in an even higher weighclass than B-Hop's best Middleweight win, Trinidad.

Hearns wins over Virgil Hill & Wilfred Benitiez is better than anything B-Hop has ever done even without Duran...which by itself is a far & away a better win than any single win that B-Hop has on his resume.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

I can make a top 20 ATG list with fighters who we only have film of and B-Hop still wouldn't make the cut.

that's because you're a delusional hating ass nikka...

He held a paper title all throughout the 90's and only has 6 defenses of a REAL lineal/undisputed title. Incomparable to what Monzon & Hagler did in the division, nor did he beat the quality of fighters they beat at Middleweight.

And if you overly value a long string of paper title defenses...how much LOWER do you rate B-Hop BENEATH Dariusz Michalczewski, Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke?

Who is taking anything away or question Monzon and Hagler's credentials?

What you quoted clearly did not include either one of them...

A title is a title, he was a MW champ for damn near 12 years...during that reign he had defeated John Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Antwun Echols, Felix Trinidad and a blown up past it DLH...That's just the fighters I know of, there are tons more quality fighters Hopkins defeated but unlike you I don't look at wins/losses and mention dudes I never watched fight...

Never mind how utterly idiotc it is comparing Hopkins title reign to the likes of a club fighters manufactured cake walk reign like Calzaghe and Ottke...

Oh the irony

And way to shyt on the greatness of the fighter you're in here championing.

Duran is miles ahead of anybody on B-Hop's resume...and had more proven capability in the weightclass Hearns beat him in, and in an even higher weighclass than B-Hop's best Middleweight win, Trinidad.

Hearns wins over Virgil Hill & Wilfred Benitiez is better than anything B-Hop has ever done even without Duran...which by itself is a far & away a better win than any single win that B-Hop has on his resume.

Is this nikka seriously trying to argue war torn and beat up Duran was a better caliber fighter than undefeated Trinidad?

and I'm not even trying to take anything away from Hearns who is my favorite fighter of all time...You just on some wild hating non-nonsensical shyt bruh...

smh

 

[Jello Biafra]

In after furious Roy Jones stans

 

[H.I.M.]

A title is a title, he was a MW champ for damn near 12 years

No. All "titles" aren't created equal. Roughly 75% of his "Middleweight title reign" was spent as a paper titlist. He only had a portion of the title, not THE title. And he only held THE legitimate lineal/undisputed Middle crown for a little under 4 years and had 6 defenses.

You can't try to put B-Hop on a pedestal for defending a paper title a gazillion times against shyt opposition...unless you're too willing to put Michalczewski, Calzaghe, Ottke, Chris John, Virgil Hill, Wonjongkam, Khaosai Galaxy on that same pedestal.

...during that reign he had defeated John Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Antwun Echols

there are tons more quality fighters Hopkins defeated but unlike you I don't look at wins/losses and mention dudes I never watched fight...

But yet half of your top 20 ATG list are fighters who have no film or little to no film available of their fights.

Never mind how utterly idiotc it is comparing Hopkins title reign to the likes of a club fighters manufactured cake walk reign like Calzaghe and Ottke...

but...but...but...what about their long title reigns and their 20+ title defenses

Is this nikka seriously trying to argue war torn and beat up Duran was a better caliber fighter than undefeated Trinidad?

Duran was old, war torn and beat up...but had just came off going 15 rds with Prime Hagler in a relatively competitive fight.

Trinidad had never fought the caliber of opponent of a Prime Hagler @ Middleweight and fared as well as Duran did against Hagler.

nikka lost damn there every second of every round against Winky Wright for fukks sake

In what world is this where a win over Trinidad is superior to a win over Duran...who btw is on your top 20 ATG list