Only Idiots Think Kendrick Lamar Is "Pop"

[mobbinfms]

a) It was a double album, so Wu really went 2x platinum if we keep it real
b) 4x plat sounds pop until you realize that people actually bought music in 1997, and that actual pop was selling more. Spice Girls went 7x plat off a one cd (10 songs). Totally different ball game.

shyt... one of the highest selling albums of 1997 was released in 1996. Celion Dion going 11x plat.

If WTF sold 20 million it still wouldn't have been pop. So @hex point stands. Sales don't make a song/album "pop".

 

[mobbinfms]

"Sit Down, Be Humble" is very easily digestible on every level = pop

The beat doesn't sound easily digestible to me at all.
And the rapping, aside from the sing-songy "aye" part...isn't easily digestible. The hook is definitely meant to be chanted/repeated/sung along. But then again so are some hooks on Illmatic.

 

[Newzz]

What about the three verses on Fear? DNA?
Duckworth?
Lust?
XXX?

Which of them verses are classic?



None of them are. And as Mobb fam, you know what a classic verse sounds like ()..............Kendrick doesn't have 1 on his album

 

[mobbinfms]

Drake and Kendrick make accessible black music that can occupy pop lanes and be played on pop / popular music channels.

There is a pretty big difference between Kendrick and Drake in this regard.

 

[mobbinfms]

Which of them verses are classic?



None of them are. And as Mobb fam, you know what a classic verse sounds like ()..............Kendrick doesn't have 1 on his album

Time will tell with classic. But all those verses I mentioned were amazing.

 

[blizzard man]

@mobbinfms you fighting a losiing battle breh, in here if you sell records, youre pop

if you dont though, you a flop. shyt even if you do, you a flop. cats called the weeknd a flop after he did 325k first week

so no matter how you cut it, to the coli, pretty much everything is pop, except what they dont want to be.

i got a breh in another thread trying to tell me nirvana is pop, but ace of base wasnt.

 

[mobbinfms]

i got a breh in another thread trying to tell me nirvana is pop, but ace of base wasnt.

Kendrick is pop, but not Ace of Base??

 

[ISO]

Are they accepted as such by artists making 100% authentic dancehall, Afrobeats and R&B?

Are all of Mike Will Made Its' beats pop?
The Humble beat doesn't even sound like a trap beat to me.
If its not a trap record, is it a watered down version of some other production style? If so, what makes it watered down?
Using a popular flow doesn't make a song pop, unless you think Notorious Thugs was a pop song. Besides, that kind of stuff is more an appeal to what's mainstream within hip hop. Not beyond hip hop. 40 year old soccer moms aren't gonna hear Humble on the radio and make that connection.

I don't know if they are accepted. I do know artists like Popcaan, Beenie Man, Mavado, WizKid have no problem with Drake in dancehall/Afrobeats and have collaborated with him in some way or another. Hotline Bling was covered by artists like Erykah Badu, and Drake is pretty accepted in R&B where he has ghostwritten for artists like Alicia Keys and came out making traditional R&B ballads on So Far Gone, also comes from a family of R&B/soul musicians.

Humble is a trap beat, Mike WiLL is a trap producer and the beat was originally made for Gucci Mane. Not all of Mike WiLL's beats are pop his discography is extensive and he started underground in the late 00's. Now, though Mike WiLL is one of the go-to producers for trap-styled beats made for top 40. Recently, he's worked with Rae Sremmurd, Nicki Minaj, Drake, Future, Miley Cyrus who y'all would call pop. Humble is a pop song because it is a number one song on them Billboard pop charts, it follows radio format, the rhythm, hook and production is clearly built for the clubs and social media, it follows popular trends by using Lil Uzi's flow, it is extremely dumbed down lyrically especially for Kendrick's standards. Everything y'all saying points to it being a pop rap record. When, K-Dot made this song he clearly aimed for the charts and for accessibility. Let's no be hypocrites.

Even Bad & Boujee is more lyrically inclined than Humble, dead ass. Nobody cares what 40 year old soccer moms think, breh.

That's a fair point. Of course, Kendrick set an incredibly high bar for himself. I don't think that, in and of itself, makes Humble a pop record though. Unless you want to claim everything Jay did after RD as pop.

Jay made pop rap records after RD, for you to be pop doesn't mean all your shyt has to be pop. Jay made blatant pop songs on the Blueprint 3 album with Rihanna, making songs with Beyonce, albums with Linkin' Park, R. Kelly, and mashups with The Beatles, sampling Annie, being a part of Kanye's wave. Jay is arguably the most popular rapper ever, a chart topper, and transcends hip-hop.

Drake is "pop" but he still has three verse songs with no hooks where he just spits on every project. Beyonce is "pop" but she still has more traditional R&B songs on all her albums. I don't understand why y'all think like that.

 

[blizzard man]

Kendrick is pop, but not Ace of Base??

they tryna backtrack now, but basically, to the coli, anything that charts = pop music

buncha weirdos in here

 

[Newzz]

Time will tell with classic. But all those verses I mentioned were amazing.

Look at how Havoc and P looking at you in your avi breh




Aint no classic verse on Kendrick's project



I gave birth to your whole style and feel
How do it feel, to hold my d**k in public
C**k blower, duplicate rap cloner
It's me and you do it live on stage for dolo
I smack n***s like you, smash n***s by the tools
Grab n***s by the throat, show 'n' prove
Rhymes cocky, crazy ill, mad rowdy
Did a buck off of my s**t and wrapped your Audi
Tempermental, I snap quick, very touchy
Ayo my attitude is all f***d up and real s***y
I rap like no one out there can f**k wit me
You feel different, n***a see me
I throw a TV at you crazy, b**s say "P you crazy!"
A +Pain in Da A*s+, nah but +F**k you, Pay me+
I'm no shorty, n***a I stop your glory
I'm a thorough street n***a for real, you just applaud me
Avoid P, man take your baby mom's advice
I'm nothing sweet, ill with the guns, you pay the price
When you see me in the streets soldier, salute me
You just a groupie, oh you gangsta, then shoot me
Who gives a f**k really, I miss my n***a Twin, kill me
So I can join the rest of my falls, up in the heavens
You rap nikkas make me laugh, y'all crazy a*s
And I don't give a f**k what you sold, that s**t is trash
Bang this, 'cause I gurantee that you bought it
Heavy airplay all day wit no chorus
I Keep It Thoro n***a...


^^^^ That's a classic verse and was a classic verse the 1st time we heard it. Kendrick doesn't have a verse, to me, on his album that I find myself rapping fully through, without listening to his album at the same time

 

[JustCKing]

Agreed. I call it watered down, but format/formula works too.

Having a formula doesn't mean it's watered down.

This I don't follow.

"Bad & Boujee" and "Black Beatles" have catchy, repetitive, hooks/choruses that are easily remembered and stick even if when a person hates the song.

Explain.

"One Dance" is an Afrobeat song, so using his logic, it would either wouldn't be a Pop song or it would double as a Pop, Afrobeat song.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

NKOTB was not R&B.

New kids on the block were "white R&B"...basically trying to be a white version of new edition lol

 

[ISO]

"oooh the p*ssy good won't you sit on my taste bloods"

"A.M. to P.M., P.M. to the A.M., funk
Piss out your per diem you just gotta hate em, funk
If I quit your BM, I still ride Mercedes, funk
If I quit this season, I still be the greatest, funk"

"My left stroke just went viral, right stroke put lil baby in a spiral"

"yah yah sit down, be humble, lil bytch"

Still will take you down right on your mama's couch in Polo socks, ayy
This shyt way too crazy, ayy, you do not amaze me, ayy
I blew cool from AC, ayy, Obama just paged me, ayy
I don't fabricate it, ayy, most of y'all be fakin', ayy
I stay modest 'bout it, ayy, she elaborate it, ayy
This that Grey Poupon, that Evian, that TED Talk, ayy
Watch my soul speak, you let the meds talk, ayy
If I kill a nikka, it won't be the alcohol, ayy

this is what y'all claim is lyrically inaccessible

This nikka ain't saying NOTHING

"Still be playing with pots and pans call me Quavo Ratatouille" is better than any line on Humble and of course Migos have better flows and Uzi does his own flow better than K-Dot. That Interscope marketing machine is strong.

 

[JustCKing]

These would all be pop songs.

What makes them Pop songs?

 

[ISO]

If WTF sold 20 million it still wouldn't have been pop. So @hex point stands. Sales don't make a song/album "pop".

Wu-Tang is pop though. My 65 year old cac Math teacher in high school once quoted C.R.E.A.M. in class.

Dolla dolla bill y'all

By your criteria if 40 year old soccer moms know about it, its pop.