OG Street Fighter Legends: Lost History

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First off, props to Alex Valle (Cali Power) who beat Bonchan's Sagat using Hugo at this year's EVO Championships. Alex is one of the oldest American Street Fighter players who still regularly competes.



Before Alex were guys such as Mike Watson, Jeff Schaeffer and the original prodigy Tomo Ohira. This era of players are the oldest OG players, while players like Justin Wong and others who have been around for a long time are OG players in their own right. But Watson, Schaeffer and Ohira were kings before Wong, Ricki Ortiz or James Chen.





According to Jeff Schaeffer, Tomo only played Ryu and Guile in Street Fighter 2: World Warriors, Street Fighter 2: Championship Edition and Street Fighter 2: Hyper Fighting. When it comes to Championship Edition, Guile, Bison and Sagat dominated the game. Yet Tomo was destroying people with Ryu in that game which is pretty crazy. Ryu was good but you've seen how Bison had that crazy pressure and could re-dizzy and win the game off a crouching strong into combo.

Jeff talks about the strategy of the OG player was to get ahead by a sliver of life. Sometimes being ahead by mere chip damage meant making the other player come in. Without Ultra moves and the comeback mechanic of the more recent SF games, the original Street Fighters were more like chess. For each bit of damage you got down by, the more pressure it put on you in terms of your strategy. You have to earn back all the damage without Super Moves that take near half life or some other mechanism to make up for many mistakes in an instant. In this series of videos, Jeff talks about the "OG" strategy of how they played the game, why some OG players stopped liking Street Fighter when the Super/Ultra moves were introduced and the rise of Alex Valle.







Here are a few videos of Jeff Schaeffer playing Diago. Despite being very rusty, Jeff does a very good job. One person said Jeff had several perfects on Diago in the series which is amazing. For what it's worth, Mike Watson in his prime was at least as good as Alex Valle was in his prime. And an out-of-his-prime Valle is still very good now. Apparently, Tomo was better than Jeff and Mike Watson was when all of them were in their primes. Mike Watson believed if Tomo was a young player in his prime today, he'd be top 3-4 (he said this on a stream a while back).



 
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Here are two videos from EVO 2009 that had Mike Watson interview Tomo Ohira. From these videos, you can see Tomo is pretty cool and if you didn't know he was a gamer, you would have just thought he was a regular cool guy. Some of the OG players from the arcade era are real cool guys since they came from the era when playing games was as much about getting together with other people as playing the game. Playing games was a very social thing in their era.This interview is about how Tomo is doing now and what he's up to.




Alex Valle once said on stream that Jeff Schaeffer was a very mechanical player. His practice involved taking all the characters in the game and practicing with a friend. You try out various scenarios one-by-one and learn what happens in each scenario. True to OG fashion, Jeff believed you reduce the game down to playing the character and not playing the person picking the character. If you get afraid of the person you are playing, fear weakens your game and you're mentally dead. If you focus just on the character you're playing and look at it from a standpoint of what they can and cannot do, it doesn't matter if it is Momochi or Gamerbee or Daigo playing that character. You'll have a strategy to attack any player. These videos by Jeff explaining how to become great and maximize your potential.




This is the final Jeff Schaeffer video for now. He explains why "Pressure Wins Games" in his approach that by making other players to bend to his will. If you put pressure on another player by forcing him to act, you have the advantage of being proactive instead of reactive. The goal is to control the flow of action and move your opponent out of their comfortable "Strategy A" into "Strategy B" or "Strategy C." Find out what people do the worst and make them do those things the most. Move people out of their sweet zone by force.

 

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I really believe most of that Tomo shyt is old people over exaggerating their memories like WW2 vets lol

Not one piece of recorded footage of him playing exists. He quit games altogether as soon as he got some p*ssy :mjlol:
 

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I really believe most of that Tomo shyt is old people over exaggerating their memories like WW2 vets lol

Not one piece of recorded footage of him playing exists. He quit games altogether as soon as he got some p*ssy :mjlol:

There is some footage of Tomo and Jeff playing online but both guys were way past their prime at that point. There are some YouTube matches of Mike Watson beating and losing to some of today's players. Watson is washed up compared to his former self but like Alex Valle, he can still beat some of today's players. Watson says Tomo was better than he ever was (probably includes Valle too). It's probably safe to say Tomo was a very serious player.

Since retiring from SF there was footage of Tomo playing games like Team Fortress 2 and despite it being a totally different genre of game than a fighting game, Tomo was dominating the game as a medic and never dying once. So that high level of play seemed to follow Tomo even into different genres of games. I'm still trying to find that clip. I should have downloaded it when I had the chance. Jeff Schaeffer deleted his YouTube channel and sadly, not all of the clips have been uploaded back onto YouTube by other users.
 
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There is some footage of Tomo and Jeff playing online but both guys were way past their prime at that point. There are some YouTube matches of Mike Watson beating and losing to some of today's players. Watson is washed up compared to his former self but like Alex Valle, he can still beat some of today's players. Watson says Tomo was better than he ever was (probably includes Valle too). It's probably safe to say Tomo was a very serious player.

Since retiring from SF there was footage of Tomo playing games like Team Fortress 2 and despite it being a totally different genre of game than a fighting game, Tomo was dominating the game as a medic and never dying once. So that high level of play seemed to follow Tomo even into different genres of games. I'm still trying to find that clip. I should have downloaded it when I had the chance. Jeff Schaeffer deleted his YouTube channel and sadly, not all of the clips have been uploaded back onto YouTube by other users.
John Choi is another old school player who's still active

He eliminated Diago at EVO last year:banderas:
 

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This entire youtube has a lot of the history of the NYC fighting game scene. One guy you didnt mention that deserves props is Eddie Lee. He is the one that defined the east coast "lame" style of play that to this day is a staple of the region.
:salute:Eddie Lee trained Justin Wong
 

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John Choi is another old school player who's still active

He eliminated Diago at EVO last year:banderas:

John Choi reminds me of Alex Valle. Despite being well past his prime, Choi can still beat many of today's players. I heard one person say, "Choi just uses fundamentals since he's not the biggest modern combo master and uses footsies and spacing." Street Fighter 5 might bring back some of the OG players. SF5 seemingly has high damage across the board (makes you think of old SF2 titles) and the V-trigger is different from SF4's Ultra moves. So the comeback mechanic will still be there but it might not be as strong. I'd love to see Alex Valle play Ryu in SF5 (Valle is one of America's true Ryu specialists), get Watson to try Nash since he loved using Guile in old SF2 games and get Tomo out of the car dealership to play Ryu again for old time's sake.
 

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John Choi reminds me of Alex Valle. Despite being well past his prime, Choi can still beat many of today's players. I heard one person say, "Choi just uses fundamentals since he's not the biggest modern combo master and uses footsies and spacing." Street Fighter 5 might bring back some of the OG players. SF5 seemingly has high damage across the board (makes you think of old SF2 titles) and the V-trigger is different from SF4's Ultra moves. So the comeback mechanic will still be there but it might not be as strong. I'd love to see Alex Valle play Ryu in SF5 (Valle is one of America's true Ryu specialists), get Watson to try Nash since he loved using Guile in old SF2 games and get Tomo out of the car dealership to play Ryu again for old time's sake.
Choi stay with some simple ass SF2 combos:russ:

I don't consider V-Skills a comeback mechanic:yeshrug:
 

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Here's a funny old video of Alex Valle going up against Kuni. If you've heard the name Kuni, you know he was a very emotional player who was a Zangief specialist. Back in the old days Kuni used to go up against Tomo Ohira and almost lose every time. But this video shows Kuni absolutely crushing Alex Valle at EVO 2004.

 

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R.I.P. CHINATOWN FAIR

This entire youtube has a lot of the history of the NYC fighting game scene. One guy you didnt mention that deserves props is Eddie Lee. He is the one that defined the east coast "lame" style of play that to this day is a staple of the region.

So many gems of videos in that playlist. Thanks for posting that.

When I think of East Coast Street Fighter considering both Justin Wong and Chris G left for the West Coast, it's up to Sanford Kelly and Dieminion. I heard that one day Dieminion would like to move to France or something. If he does that, NY would lose another great player.
 

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Does anyone from the West Coast remember Third Strike ranbats at Family Fun Arcade? I used to stay up late watching those, mostly to hear Rockefeller's hilarious commentary.
 

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^ What has happened with Rockeller these days?

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Here's a great YouTube channel by Crayfis. He is an OG member of the website Shoryuken. The forums started over there 15 years ago (site established around early 2000) and Crayfis is a 14 year veteran on that site. He has many old Street Fighter 2 matches from all over on his channel. True gold mine.

Crayfis
 

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Alex Valle gives a long interview about Street Fighter 5. I have a feeling he will be very good in this game.

 

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This is an old documentary but it shows Justin Wong back when he still lived in New York and was part of Isaiah "Triforce" Johnson's group Empire Arcadia. As you know, Justin left the Empire and went to the West Coast signing with Evil Geniuses. In the years that have passed, Empire Arcadia's fighting game component fell apart with guys like Sanford Kelly leaving to join The Steam Co. and others following suit. Some love Triforce and others hate him - he is a polarizing figure in the FGC.

 
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