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Garth should've kept the coli's servers runin', but he didn't. :pacspit:

Naw, but on the real, this last episode was dope. Hate to see the young animated bruh carry all that burden. :wow: And while it seems like most of the New Gods are formidable, Metron is not to be fukked with. :ufdup: "Naw, two lantern rings are one thing, but Val-monger, water bug, and predator ain't walking outta here on their own."
 

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How many seasons/episodes is this? Caught a few eps on TV here and there. Might watch it from the start.
 

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How many seasons/episodes is this? Caught a few eps on TV here and there. Might watch it from the start.
4 seasons and currently 92 episodes (will be 98 by the end of the 4th and current season).

Season 1 (26 episodes)
Season 2 (20 episodes)
Season 3 (26 episodes)
Season 4 (20 episodes currently but will be 26 by the end of the season)
 

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Next week we get Lor-Zod in action vs GL core :banderas:

I totally expected someone to jack the chair from Metron with how he got thrown through the boomtube last week.

Dwayne McDuffie’s wife is supposed to writing an upcoming episode and I’m guessing it’s going to be the last one of this arc :mjcry:
 
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I just spent the last week binging all 92 episodes of Young Justice, which is a crazy feat for me because I'm not much of a binge watcher and I wasn't expecting to get caught up until next week sometime. I initially tapped out midway through season three and decided to just rewatch the show from the beginning since I didn't remember much and hadn't seen seasons one and two since they originally aired ten years ago.


I have many, many thoughts...


The first two seasons of the show are absolutely brilliant, in a way that DC (and Marvel too for that matter) have not been able to replicate with their younger heroes for years. The first season was a perfect distillation of the DC Universe through the eyes of its younger heroes, letting them shadow their mentors while they try to aspire to uphold their legacies.


The second season takes that even further by smartly writing the Justice League out of the show for most of the season and letting the Team stand on its own as the primary heroes of Earth during the Reach invasion. Also, by allowing the Team to gather the evidence to save the Justice League we get to see them earn their place as their equals (despite many, many screw-ups), in a way that doesn't overpower the Team or diminish the Justice League.


If the show had never come back after season two, it would have been perfectly fine because the two seasons bookend each other perfectly. (Season one starts on Independence Day and ends on New Years Day and season two starts on New Years Day five years later and ends on Independence Day. Season one starts with the Team not being allowed into the Justice League's Watchtower while season two ends with the Team operating in the Watchtower alongside the Justice League).


Of course, then we get to season three...
 

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Rewatching and binging it, I didn't actually hate season three, but it's nowhere near as good as the first two seasons, and the cracks in the show's storytelling and character development definitely begin to show. Some of them were showing as early as season two, but they get really obvious in seasons three and four.


One of the consequences of the time skips and disjointed character focus is some of these character moments feel fake and unearned. Every interaction that Clark and Conner have after the season one finale just made me roll my eyes because the two of them barely interacted the whole show. Season one Clark wouldn't even look at Conner, season two Superman was tied up with the Justice League on Rimbor, season three they were in deep space, and Conner 'dies' in episode four of season four. So the little moments that are supposed to be emotional between them, like Clark calling Conner his little brother, or Conner asking Clark to be his best man, don't mean anything because those are pretty much the only times they share the screen together.


Season three also rehashed the "Nightwing, Artemis and Kaldur'Ahm have a secret plan in place to beat The Light, that ultimately ends up nearly backfiring on them because they kept it secret from their teammates" subplot from season two but did it worse. They basically just replaced The Reach with Darkseid in the larger plot. At least in season two you felt like they dealt a blow to the Light, but in season three not only did they not learn anything from the previous season but they really didn't accomplish anything from it.


While M'Gann got plenty of screen time in season three, but they should have done a better job making her a through line during the season since she had ties to every other faction of heroes. A big problem with season three is they spend so much time in the first half on the Brion, Halo and Forager plots and then pivot very harshly in the second half to Beast Boy and his team of Outsiders, with the Justice League serving very little purpose throughout.


Speaking of the Justice League, season three spends way the fukk too much time on Black Lightning. Not that I'm not a fan but he gets more focus than any other character of the Team. In a show called Young Justice that is inexcusable when the nikka is pushing 40 and divorced with two kids. :francis:


And it's all to make him the leader of the Justice League in the end, which doesn't even feel consequential since he's not even in season four at all. He's only mentioned off screen a couple of times and we see the back of his head in end credits of episode eighteen. I can understand the lack of Batman and Robin in season four (maybe the actors were unavailable and they didn't want to recast), but there is no excuse for the lack of Black Lightning when we already knew Khary Payton was there from voicing every other black character of the show, including main character Kaldur'Ahm. He even wrote the last episode of the Kaldur'Ahm arc!
 

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The four-episode arc format of season four was interesting in concept, but also heightens the problems the show had since season three with its pacing and chracter development. The M'Gann/Conner arc was definitely overwrought with its commentary and overlong. Everything about it felt like one of these storylines the show does in its last season, because they know they're on their last legs but they also want a shocking 'death' for the season. Definitely not fun and a poor way to start the season.


The Artemis arc was much better in both the writing and the animation. The show had such great fights in its first two seasons, and there were some decent ones in this arc, but nowhere near the level of the first two seasons. You definitely feel the budget being stretched to its limits this season. There are way the fukk too many "Exposition and narrating over still images" sequences this season. Even season three would have at least animated those.


And I don't know about anybody else, but I'm tired of Cheshire. I really hope that the next time we see Artemis her development can has a little to do with Cheshire, Sportsmaster or Wally as possible. I was glad to see she started dating again tho. The hints they were throwing at her dating Will in season three were beyond forced and awkward, and I'm glad they didn't go in that direction. Artemis's mother telling her to get with Will because Cheshire was never coming back and "Lian needs a mother" was so gross. Like any of that is Artemis's responsibility, or even her problem. :what:


The Zatanna arc is the one where the pacing really gets screwy. I liked it just fine (though the way Zatanna and Mary's characters were portrayed in the end was very bizarre), especially Klarion being the school bus because I thought that was just a random running gag the whole time. :mjlol: But as the season's only five-episode arc, I would have preferred it being cut to only four episodes and made episode 13 a 'one-and-done' about M'Gann and her sister, Beast Boy and Halo. The Beast Boy and M'Gann subplots could have gone in one episode instead of spreading them out, and the Halo plot could have gone there instead of at the beginning of the Kaldur arc.


The Kaldur arc comes to a screeching halt in the first episode because they have to stop the show so that Halo and Gabrielle Daou's mother can have a philosophical discussion about women in Islam, and for Halo to pick their pronouns in the end. :unimpressed: Mind you, I have zero problem with Halo being non-binary as it actually makes perfect sense for the character. I simply had a problem with the placing of that storyline in the episode and how it screwed up the pacing.


Despite the first episode, the Kaldur arc is the highlight of the season so far. At first I was like :what: because Ocean Master was dead, but they went really deep into what happened and why nobody in Atlantis knew about it, and it was also the first real crack in The Light's plans. Lagoon Boy being in a bisexual polyamorous marriage. :laff: I guess he got some sort of a happy ending since they did him dirty at the end of season two and he only had one scene in season three.


Rocket did not deserve to get her own arc or be in the opening credits for season four. :yeshrug: I get that there were some issues getting the Milestone characters cleared that caused her not to be utilized as much, but that's really not an excuse when Static got way more screen time than Rocket did. The Rocket we see in this arc doesn't even feel like the same character we (barely) saw in the earlier seasons. This Rocket feels very generic, like a stock character, who has none of the personality that we see from Rocket in the comics. I think the writers know this too and that’s why they’ve barely used her in what was supposed to be her own arc. I did appreciate her son having autism tho and her attempts to deal with it while dealing with a diplomatic mission.

I would have preferred an arc with Bumblebee and Mal to be honest. Bumblebee was way more utilized than Rocket and they could have followed up on Bumblebee altering her daughter's DNA to replicate the meta-gene.

This season has had themes of mental health that I’ve really appreciated. The Beast Boy subplot has been very well handled. You really feel it because the whole Martian arc he’s crying about going back to the Outsiders to wanting nothing to do with them after Conner’s apparent death. Plus his distance to M’Gann, his only ‘family’ left, his self-medication, his telling :camby: to Queen Perdita, and his sit-down with Black Canary all tell a great story of PTSD. I want to see more about the mental health of all the heroes since the original Team since they’ve grown up watching so many loved ones and teammates die right in front of them.


So I’m all caught up. I’m definitely still in for the rest of the season since that was the whole reason I got caught up. Hopefully things start to come together more in the last arc.


And thank you for coming to my TED talk. :ehh:
 
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