OFFICIAL: Where do you stand on public water fluoridation?

How do you feel about public water fluoridation?


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OsO

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UPDATE: 9/1/13--the purpose of this thread is to gauge how the folks of HL feel about public water fluoridation. in light of the close-minded fukkery im dealing with in the other thread i wanted to revisit this and see where HL stands. if im bugging i want my people in HL to reel me back in. if im justified in my skepticism of water fluoridation i want my people in HL to let me know.

vote or die!

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there's been a lot of controversies both ways concerning water fluoridation, so i want people to take a close look at the FACTS, and the PROS and CONS of water fluoridation, and give your opinions.

FACT #1 - the reason given for public water fluoridation is it helps the prevention of cavities

FACT #2 - for cavity prevention to be effective, the fluoride must be applied EXTERNALLY to the outside coating of the teeth, not swallowed

FACT #3 - 96% of people living in the US brush their teeth on a daily basis, calling into question the extra need for public water fluoridation

FACT #4 -
Knowing what I know about fluorine, I can safely say that in high doses, it WILL kill you. F- in your stomach will form the dangerous acid hydrofluoric acid. Also, fluoride ions sequester calcium very effectively which can lead to loss of bone density among other more serious things like interfering with calcium channels in muscles which will kill you by paralysis and respiratory or cardiac failure.

:scusthov:

FACT #5 - fluoridated water is not recommended for infants and pregnant women because of its toxicity level

FACT #6 - sodium fluoride has historically been used as an insect and rodent killer
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/Images/AFN-BestSweeneysCan6S400T.gif
SODIUM FLUORIDE -- Pesticidal Uses

FACT #7 - we absorb minute levels of sodium fluoride every time we drink from the tap, use faucet water to cook, and take a shower... which is a short way of saying WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO FLUORIDATED WATER BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY MULTIPLE TIMES, EVERY SINGLE DAY OF OUR LIVES.

FACT #8 - it is difficult to determine the long term health effects of fluoridated water over 20, 30, 40+ years because of all the external factors that play a part in human toxicity and physiological disease.

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these are not even all the facts, but from the facts presented and what your intuition is telling you, do you think it's a good idea to fluoridate the public water supply?

i range in viewpoint in some respects because on one hand i feel water fluoridation is totally ludicrous.. if it is a danger to infants and to pregnant women then it should not be allowed in the water supply, period. if there are ANY potential negative unknown health effects then it should not be allowed in the water supply, period. this to me is common sense.

but even in my most "give the benefit of the doubt" moments, i still feel that water fluoridation should not be implemented until we know more about the long term negative health effects.

what say you Higher Learning?

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Sorry to be blunt, but only people who are ignorant of the facts and tinfoil hat nuts oppose water fluoridation. A lot of the "facts" the op listed are bogus distortions and half-truths but I don't feel like picking them apart 1 by 1. I'll just post this. ..

Water fluoridation - RationalWiki

1) please pick them apart 1 by 1 if they are inaccurate... we are in search of the truth.

2) the bolded is simply and totally false:
Fluoride Action Network | Who Opposes Fluoridation?

3) the rational wiki article does not address any statements made in the OP

4) i forgot to mention fluorosis in the OP, which is a verified negative condition of the teeth that results from public water fluoridation. really let that sink in, there is fluoride added to water to help prevent cavities, but in a portion of the population the extra fluoride causes a condition that WORSENS the health of teeth:
Dental fluorosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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How many times are we going to do this?

until we get it right.

present a logical case for public water fluoridation or fall back.

helps with cavities huh :heh: ...please, don't be naive
 

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and despite all the evidence and professional opinions to the contrary, some individuals wont even entertain the notion that public water fluoridation may be harmful... the true definition of Sheep.
 

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1) please pick them apart 1 by 1 if they are inaccurate... we are in search of the truth.

2) the bolded is simply and totally false:
Fluoride Action Network | Who Opposes Fluoridation?

3) the rational wiki article does not address any statements made in the OP

4) i forgot to mention fluorosis in the OP, which is a verified negative condition of the teeth that results from public water fluoridation. really let that sink in, there is fluoride added to water to help prevent cavities, but in a portion of the population the extra fluoride causes a condition that WORSENS the health of teeth:
Dental fluorosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nah I didn't even read your whole post, I just skimmed it because I find this a monotonous exercise of no importance.

But since you asked, I'll point out one inaccurate statement. Your claim that fluoridated water "is not recommended for infants and pregnant women." Not recommended by whom? The government? They're evil and can't be trusted anyway right?

Anyway they say "excessive amounts," as in higher than the concentration in public water can cause problems in infants and pregnant women.

Basic Information about Fluoride in Drinking Water | Basic Information about Regulated Drinking Water Contaminants | US EPA

CDC - Infant Formula - Safety - Community Water Fluoridation - Oral Health
 

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and despite all the evidence and professional opinions to the contrary, some individuals wont even entertain the notion that public water fluoridation may be harmful... the true definition of Sheep.
This conversation can't progress until you pass chem 101 + 102(and presumably bio 101)

until then:




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