Official War With Iran Thread

[Return of the Jedi]

Which is why you couldn't point out one thing I said that was not factual, I don't give a fukk if you in the military
You nikkaz can't defeat a bunch of women and civilians in Afghanistan been over there for twenty goddamn years

let me guess yall got secret men black lasers and avenger ships, fukk outta here
thats myth of america military superiority is exactly what this country will face a crushing defeat if it goes to war with Iran, China, and russian, which will happen if Iran is attacked.

Guess what France was the most advance military in the world after world war 1
Hitler came through and crushed the buildings effortlessly lmao, that shyt don't mean shyt
you can have the most and everything, and still get the wiped off the field

You know how many crack heads I know who were in the military, shyt don't mean you just a fukking drone

Modern warfare is different bro, aircraft and navy are useless against those russian missile systems, once again, you say one thing but whats happening is another

they been wanting to get Iran out the paint for the longest and ain't came close to scratching that itch, stop living in a fantasy world, the US is not feared by any country that can defend itself, this ain't Iraq

you ain't never faced another train solider in battle in your military career, yall over there fighting regular nikkaz defending their block fukk outa here

Dude you might be the most ignorant poster on here. I've never seen some talk out of their ass about conventional militaries like this for real.

Yes, Iran is a conventional military. They are a more capable force than the Iraqi army was. The price tag of a war with them is steeper than anything since the Korean War. But they are not armed for a prolonged conflict against a world power. Take a look at their IADS bruh. Their SAMs are a bunch of decrepit SA-2s, 3s, 6s, and IHAWKs. Those are Vietnam era systems bro. Their only capable SAM is the SA-20. Their Air Force is even worse off. The F-4D/Es they use are the BACKBONE of their fighter force and they have to cannabalize them to keep even half of them in the air at any given time. Their MiG-29 FULCRUMs will be deep inland for preservation and would go in quick order. Their swarm boats are discombobulated and split between two different C2 functions.

WW2 is absolutely nothing like a modern conflict that incorporates space and cyber assets. Iranian electronic warfare capabilities are rudimentary.

You're right, I legitimately can't talk to all the capabilities the DoD OR the Iranians have. The lions share of it is classified. Their is no way China or Russia step in to stop the conflict. They love this shyt bro.

I'm not even for this conflict, not even a little. But you are actually making a clown of yourself. Another internet conspiracy theorist.

 

[Master Teacher]

Dude you might be the most ignorant poster on here. I've never seen some talk out of their ass about conventional militaries like this for real.

Yes, Iran is a conventional military. They are a more capable force than the Iraqi army was. The price tag of a war with them is steeper than anything since the Korean War. But they are not armed for a prolonged conflict against a world power. Take a look at their IADS bruh. Their SAMs are a bunch of decrepit SA-2s, 3s, 6s, and IHAWKs. Those are Vietnam era systems bro. Their only capable SAM is the SA-20. Their Air Force is even worse off. The F-4D/Es they use are the BACKBONE of their fighter force and they have to cannabalize them to keep even half of them in the air at any given time. Their MiG-29 FULCRUMs will be deep inland for preservation and would go in quick order. Their swarm boats are discombobulated and split between two different C2 functions.

WW2 is absolutely nothing like a modern conflict that incorporates space and cyber assets. Iranian electronic warfare capabilities are rudimentary.

You're right, I legitimately can't talk to all the capabilities the DoD OR the Iranians have. The lions share of it is classified. Their is no way China or Russia step in to stop the conflict. They love this shyt bro.

I'm not even for this conflict, not even a little. But you are actually making a clown of yourself. Another internet conspiracy theorist.

Aight bro, you brought into the kool aid, shows how the amount of idiots that are enlisted

you realize they have gotten a missile defensive system from Russia that will render your aircraft useless right

you right this modern warfare, aircraft and naval vessels are pretty much obsolete, when they can be brought down at the push of a button just like they did that piece of shyt drone

If Iran was an easy target the US would have been entered,

and yes Russia and China will do something about if Iran is attacked, which is why Trump backed off, I'm pretty sure the Generals reigned him because they know the consequences of their actions

Did you read this report from the National Defense Strategy Commission

try it out

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/providing-for-the-common-defense.pdf

 

[DonKnock]

Aight bro, you brought into the kool aid, shows how the amount of idiots that are enlisted

you realize they have gotten a missile defensive system from Russia that will render your aircraft useless right

you right this modern warfare, aircraft and naval vessels are pretty much obsolete, when they can be brought down at the push of a button just like they did that piece of shyt drone

If Iran was an easy target the US would have been entered,

and yes Russia and China will do something about if Iran is attacked, which is why Trump backed off, I'm pretty sure the Generals reigned him because they know the consequences of their actions

Did you read this report from the National Defense Strategy Commission

try it out

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/providing-for-the-common-defense.pdf

I don't think this says what you think it says

 

[Return of the Jedi]

Aight bro, you brought into the kool aid, shows how the amount of idiots that are enlisted

you realize they have gotten a missile defensive system from Russia that will render your aircraft useless right

you right this modern warfare, aircraft and naval vessels are pretty much obsolete, when they can be brought down at the push of a button just like they did that piece of shyt drone

If Iran was an easy target the US would have been entered,

and yes Russia and China will do something about if Iran is attacked, which is why Trump backed off, I'm pretty sure the Generals reigned him because they know the consequences of their actions

Did you read this report from the National Defense Strategy Commission

try it out

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/2018-11/providing-for-the-common-defense.pdf

Do YOU realize their "missile defensive system that will render our aircraft useless" is the SA-20 (or S-300 as the Russians call it) and they don't have enough battalions to cover their entire country's airspace? Did you know it only can reach out as far as 107 Nautical Miles? Do you know if it's target acquisition OR tracking radar can pick up a stealth fighter like an F-22 or F-35? Can it operate if an F-16 hit its with an anti-radiation missile? Did you read my previous post where I told it's their only capable SAM and the rest are Cold War relics being held together by shoestring and gum? Did you know their cyber/space/EW capabilities are garbage?

Russia WANTS US TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAN SO THERE'S LESS COMPETITION IN OIL SALES.

Russia is the real winner in any US-Iran conflict

 

[Return of the Jedi]

While I'm arguing with this clown I do want to stress that I am not pro-war with Iran. I dread the idea of another CENTCOM war. But don't buy into some random internet dude saying the US military's primacy is duck tales. Is it what it was before 9/11? Not even close. But edge is still sharp, especially against a regional-level power like Iran.

 

[ZoeGod]

Iran cannot defeat the US in a war but it can bring a war to a stalemate and also will raise the economic, military and political cost very high. As of today there isn’t enough assets in the Gulf to wage war with Iran.

Iran has well over 100,000 missiles, some say more than 200,000. Most of Iran's missile launchers & air defense batteries are highly mobile which makes them extremely difficult to target. Look at Saudi Arabia, with the 3rd largest military budget on earth, more than Russia. Saudi's have help from the USA, with US jets & satellite intelligence, yet they can't stop the rag tag Houthi rebels from Yemen, the poorest Arab country on earth, from constantly targeting their pipelines & airports with old modified scuds & plastic drones.

Another thing you to understand is that most of Iran's mobile assets are hidden deep underground in secret fortified bunker. Iran has hundreds of such bunkers and networks of tunnels spread throughout the country. Some are underneath mountain ranges. The problem is that the US doesn't know where most of them are. These are bases deep in mountain ranges with layers of concrete to cover them.

Iran has 5000 air defense sites. For the US to attack Iran, the US would require a hell of alot more assets & personnel in the region than what it has now. That buildup would takes months but as soon as Iran became aware of their intention, Iran would act & strike first. All Iran needs to do is destroy Saudi Arabia's,Bahrain, UAE, Kuwaiti,Qatari oil facilities, electrical grid and desalination plants. Activate their Shia proxies in those nations and plunge these countries into a mad max hell hole. This means oil permanently at $400-500 a barrel. The global economy would shut down. A second Great Depression. And it would take decades to recover from this. Demining the straits would take months to years. Not to mention Iran’s vast array of anti ship missiles. According to Millenium Challenge 2 we could lose 10k-20k US servicemen in a short period of time.

Attacking Iran is not an easy task & no cake walk. Going to war with Iran would be a disaster for the US, not worth it. The US cannot defeat Iran and Vice versa. It would be like the Hezbollah-Israel war. A stalemate. If the US wants to truly defeat Iran they would have to invade and occupy Iran. And that is not likely gonna happen because it would make Vietnam look like a pillow fight.

 

[Pressure]

Iran has 5000 air defense sites. For the US to attack Iran, the US would require a hell of alot more assets & personnel in the region than what it has now. That buildup would takes months but as soon as Iran became aware of their intention, Iran would act & strike first. All Iran needs to do is destroy Saudi Arabia's,Bahrain, UAE, Kuwaiti,Qatari oil facilities, electrical grid and desalination plants. Activate their Shia proxies in those nations and plunge these countries into a mad max hell hole. This means oil permanently at $400-500 a barrel. The global economy would shut down. A second Great Depression. And it would take decades to recover from this. Demining the straits would take months to years. Not to mention Iran’s vast array of anti ship missiles. According to Millenium Challenge 2 we could lose 10k-20k US servicemen in a short period of time.

The problem with this approach from Iran is it does the one thing Trump hasn't been able to do thus far.

It encourages the US allies to join in.

 

[FAH1223]

The problem with this approach from Iran is it does the one thing Trump hasn't been able to do thus far.

It encourages the US allies to join in.

Even if they joined in, the catastrophic damage to the world economy is already done.

The Iranians already feel they are at war. The sanctions are strangling them. They had GDP growth the last 3-4 years due to the UN sanctions being lifted. Now USA unilateral sanctions aren’t why they’re in dire state it’s the threats of secondary sanctions and now the elimination of waivers to countries.

 

[Pressure]

Even if they joined in, the catastrophic damage to the world economy is already done.

The Iranians already feel they are at war. The sanctions are strangling them. They had GDP growth the last 3-4 years due to the UN sanctions being lifted. Now USA unilateral sanctions aren’t why they’re in dire state it’s the threats of secondary sanctions and now the elimination of waivers to countries.

I hear you, but US first protectionist who want to increase US oil production, open up even more protected land for drilling, don't care about the environment, don't like Muslims, and aren't opposed to using nuclear weapons probably don't see any of these as negatives. And they're in charge.

 

[Originalman]

Interesting take/theory from a friend of mines who works for the DoD:

Says Trump's pull back wasn't because he's some dove but had to be done because our GPS was taken out and we were flying in blind as a bat. Said story of Trump caring about lives was made to appease him. Also says since the day we attacked Iraq we showed out hand to the world and have just been bullying terrorist organizations since. We haven't fought a real country in a while so a war with Iran will be hard af. Obviously, nothing confirmed just found it interesting.

Remember awhile back the iranians hijacked a Lockheed RQ170 drone by being able to tap into it and made it land in iran. Then they reveresed engineered it.

 

[Json]

Anyone who thinks Russia won’t take advantage of America being drawn into a three front war of Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan and just waltz into the rest of the Ukraine and Eastern Europe isn’t paying attention.

And we all know what breaking a Middle East government brings. Regional terrorism and proxy wars ontop of bringing the destroyed infrastructure back.

 

[Strapped]

All they & the news outlets do is spread propaganda

 

[Red Shield]

The problem with this approach from Iran is it does the one thing Trump hasn't been able to do thus far.

It encourages the US allies to join in.

yeah they probably will join in.. but are you sure they would be on the usa's side.

Because I don't see Iran being the country the rest of the world would be pissed at...

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Bernie couldn’t pass on the chance to belittle and demean a woman. What a joke of a man he is.

 

[Json]

yeah they probably will join in.. but are you sure they would be on the usa's side.

Because I don't see Iran being the country the rest of the world would be pissed at...

Britain isn’t going into Iran. They’ll provide logistical support.

But the thing is the US and Iran have the personal issue between them that other nations in Europe don’t. Saddam was an easy target cause he played the part of the usual military dressed, pompous villain.

America will be going in alone.