Official War With Iran Thread

[Master Teacher]

Not responding to the US drone being shot down while in International waters wouldve been a sign of weakness. He had to answer back somehow, perhaps he initially never wanted to attack Iran, prompting the military to attack isn't the most diplomatic of approaches but it does send some kind of message that says that the US military isn't afraid and won't back down

He didn't respond though lmao, and the US military did back down lmao, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

also there is other ways to respond to that than authorizing strikes, you can't make these decisions without thinking about the consequences, and also backing down shows the US can be back down

 

[ZoeGod]

The US military is an unmatched force on this planet.

Y'all want it both ways

The US military is not in shambles but it faces a whole host of issues after being in decades of continuous conflict

“We’ve been in the air and in combat since 1993,” a senior retired Air Force officer said, “and the wear and tear on the force has been considerable. The tempo has been crushing.” This claim is actually an understatement: Nearly 30 percent of Air Force aircraft are not “mission capable,” the service is experiencing a shortfall in experienced pilots by some 2,000, and maintenance crew capabilities have deteriorated. And what is true for the Air Force is true for the other services. In 2016, Army Vice Chief of Staff Daniel Allyn conceded that only one-third of his force is at “acceptable levels of readiness,” and in January of this year, a group of influential Navy officers expressed fears at an American Enterprise Institute war game that “the combination of constant commitments and diminishing resources” may well have left the Navy “too small, too old, and too tired” to carry out its mission requirements, according to a write-up of the event. Meanwhile, in 2016, Marine Gen. John Paxton reported that half of all U.S. Marine units were “suffering from some degree of personnel, equipment, or training shortfalls.”

In other words the US military as construct today is not in good shape to to fight a long protracted war with Iran. Secondly fighting Iran would be a disaster because Iran is not going to face the US military conventionally. They will face them down assymetrically. Something the US military is not designed for. Thats why for decades the Pentagon have been nervous about fighting a war with Iran because shyt can go left. Ever since the results of the Iran-US war game simulator from Millennium Challenge 2002 the military has not been thrilled about the prospect for war with Iran. Matter fact if the strikes went down last night the Iranian response would be devastating. The reason is Iran would respond with its full capabilities. Giving Iran first strike would be a deadly blow:

Iran will likely exploit the element of surprise to subject U.S. forces in the Gulf to a concentrated, combined-arms attack. Using coastal radars, UAVs, and civilian vessels for initial targeting information, Iranian surface vessels could swarm U.S. surface combatants in narrow waters, firing a huge volume of rockets and missiles in an attempt to overwhelm the Navy’s AEGIS combat system and kinetic defenses like the Close-In Weapons System and Rolling Airframe Missile, and possibly drive U.S. vessels toward prelaid minefields. Shore-based ASCMs and Klub-K missiles launched from “civilian” vessels may augment these strikes. Iran’s offensive maritime exclusion platforms could exploit commercial maritime traffic and shore clutter to mask their movement and impede U.S. counter-targeting. While these attacks are underway, Iran could use its SRBMs and proxy forces to strike U.S. airfields, bases, and ports. Iran will likely seek to overwhelm U.S. and partner missile defenses with salvos of less accurate missiles before using more accurate SRBMs armed with submunitions to destroy unsheltered aircraft and other military systems. Proxy groups could attack forward bases using presighted guided mortars and rockets, and radiation-seeking munitions to destroy radars and C4 nodes.

After initial attacks to attrite U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf, Iran will likely use its maritime exclusion systems to control passage through the Strait of Hormuz. Mine warfare should feature prominently in Iranian attempts to close the Strait. As with many of its A2/AD systems, Iran could employ a combination of “smart” influence mines along with large quantities of less capable weapons such as surface contact mines. Iran may deploy many of its less sophisticated mines from a variety of surface vessels, while it reserves its submarine force to lay influence mines covertly. Though Iran may wish to sink or incapacitate a U.S. warship with a mine, its primary goal is probably to deny passage and force the U.S. Navy to engage in prolonged mine countermeasure (MCM) operations while under threat from Iranian shore-based attacks. U.S. MCM ships, which typically lack the armor and self-defenses of larger warships, would be unlikely to survive in the Strait until these threats are suppressed.

Iran could deploy its land-based ASCMs from camouflaged and hardened sites to firing positions along its coastline and on Iranian-occupied islands in the Strait of Hormuz while placing decoys at false firing positions to complicate U.S. counterstrikes. Hundreds of ASCMs may cover the Strait, awaiting target cueing data from coastal radars, UAVs, surface vessels, and submarines. Salvo and multiple axis attacks could enable these ASCMs to saturate U.S. defenses. Similar to the way in which Iran structured its ballistic missile attacks, salvos of less capable ASCMs might be used to exhaust U.S. defenses, paving the way for attacks by more advanced missiles.


Undoubtedly aware that the United States’ ability to bring military power to bear is influenced by the demand for forces in other regions, Iran may seek to expand the geographical scope of a conflict in order to divert U.S. attention and resources elsewhere. Iran’s terrorist proxies, perhaps aided by Quds Force operatives, could be employed to threaten U.S. interests in other theaters. Iran could conceivably leverage its relationship with Hezbollah to attempt to draw Israel into the conflict or tap Hezbollah’s clandestine networks to carry out attacks in other regions.

It wouldnt be good breh.

 

[Master Teacher]

You earned that hall of shame tag.

That's the only response you have, don't quote me, with smilies like 3rd grader, you can't even respond with any intelligent though that's why you are in the red

 

[jj23]

Not responding to the US drone being shot down while in International waters wouldve been a sign of weakness. He had to answer back somehow, perhaps he initially never wanted to attack Iran, prompting the military to attack isn't the most diplomatic of approaches but it does send some kind of message that says that the US military isn't afraid and won't back down

Nap? That you?

 

[Pressure]

The US military is not in shambles but it faces a whole host of issues after being in decades of continuous conflict



In other words the US military as construct today is not in good shape to to fight a long protracted war with Iran. Secondly fighting Iran would be a disaster because Iran is not going to face the US military conventionally. They will face them down assymetrically. Something the US military is not designed for. Thats why for decades the Pentagon have been nervous about fighting a war with Iran because shyt can go left. Ever since the results of the Iran-US war game simulator from Millennium Challenge 2002 the military has not been thrilled about the prospect for war with Iran. Matter fact if the strikes went down last night the Iranian response would be devastating. The reason is Iran would respond with its full capabilities. Giving Iran first strike would be a deadly blow:



It wouldnt be good breh.

But these are more issues with factoring in the American appetite for war as well of that for our regional allies.

Again, none of that is even remotely a response to:

1. It's pure ductales to suggest that any country actively wants or welcomes all out war with the US because

2. The US is the premier military force on the planet.

 

[chico25]

Not responding to the US drone being shot down while in International waters wouldve been a sign of weakness. He had to answer back somehow, perhaps he initially never wanted to attack Iran, prompting the military to attack isn't the most diplomatic of approaches but it does send some kind of message that says that the US military isn't afraid and won't back down

but they did back down by not following through with the strike that was ordered. And now our "leaders" look soft and indecisive.

 

[Pressure]

I mean are we forgetting this is all over the pursuit of nuclear weapons to defend itself from a superior US military.

 

[Ku$h Parker]

We’re at the point where this network has to be silenced by any means necessary. They’re literally trying to antagonize him into starting a war for no reason just so he can try to appear strong.

You have them telling him to strike and Tucker telling him not to.

They are playing both sides of the fence. Because they are fair and balanced.

On top of all that Hannity is having Late Night Phone Sex with him

 

[FaTaL]

He means it might fuk up his economy

 

[FaTaL]

He didn't respond though lmao, and the US military did back down lmao, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

also there is other ways to respond to that than authorizing strikes, you can't make these decisions without thinking about the consequences, and also backing down shows the US can be back down

Trump is about impulses, he didn’t realize the global effect of a confrontation

 

[Strapped]

He could drop all sanctions on NK ,Venezuela , Iran , Russia & we can restore some normalcy to the world

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

He could drop all sanctions on NK ,Venezuela , Iran , Russia & we can restore some normalcy to the world

Why the fukk would he do that?

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

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He means it might fuk up his economy

Why the fukk would he do that?

 

[Jhoon]

You know the whole story is bullshyt if Trump only realized at the last second people would die.

That proves the strikes were to be delivered to empty targets so he could save face story as well.

Are you talking about the Syria strike with the mother of all whatever that targeted an airport that was cleared out beforehand?

How much did those tweets cost?

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Are you talking about the Syria strike with the mother of all whatever that targeted an airport that was cleared out beforehand?

How much did those tweets cost?

The strikes where he gave Russia the heads up?

Nah I'm talking about Iran, someone posted that the plan was to launch rockets at empty targets as a play safe to look tough but Iran said no so he just cancelled the launch instead and blamed it on not wanting to kill 150 people.