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headline: Putin Orders Russian Military To Bomb Major Russian Cities To Root Out Neo-Nazis

i used to think the line 'i can sell water to a whale' was funny, but on the right, they really can sell water to a whale....
I'm not in support of the actions of Russia I feel I should iterate again like I did in my original post.I don't get the point of this thread.
All those videos are about the Azov movement and it is known that some of them are neo-nazis as it was funded by far right hooligans. As a matter of fact, in all western countries there are far right extremists in law enforcement/military because they crave for order and ultra nationalism and that includes Russia as well.
And even if Russia had 0 far right groups on their soil (), that still wouldnt give them any legitimacy in its attempt to "denazify" Ukraine. The Azov Battalion is 5k deep max and it is said that there may be up to 40% of neo nazis there. That's at most two thousand people in the whole Ukraine
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Alright, I get your point, it makes sense indeed.I'm not in support of the actions of Russia I feel I should iterate again like I did in my original post.
However, I would read the last bolded part of the article I posted above. It is worth some pause and thought in possibly giving our arms and weapons to an extremely militant group. Post-war Ukraine if they aren't fully taken over by Russia will be incredibly unstable for a while and in those environments, typically the people who can wield violence the best tend to rise to the top. Violent far-right militias tend to fit that bill.
The US used these Far-right groups in the Ukraine as a way to inspire a militant and nationalistic force that will put up a stiff enough resistance against a Russian invasion and based on some of the reporting, these far right groups are doing a great job in fighting Russian troops and are successfully fulfilling their roles. The problem is and question worth asking is what role would they play in a post war Ukraine? This event will definitely inspire more nationalism in Ukrainians and that will translate in these groups numbers and power growing in the Ukraine. Should they have the most advanced weaponry and US backed military training to go along with that? How is this any different than what happened with the Mujahideen? It's not outside the realm of imagination that in a post war Ukraine where they stave off the Russian Invasion where newly empowered neo nazi groups gain more power and influence.
These are my thoughts. But I started the thread because I was more focused on the tone difference of the media before and after the Invasion. There was a lot of alarmist reporting on the rise of the far right in the ukraine contrary to the position of the US government who supported them because they are anti Russian. After the invasion, the media has fallen 100 percent in line with the official government stance. The news has stopped at least to some degree acting as a critique to the positions of the government.
Alright, I get your point, it makes sense indeed.
I wouldnt be worried about them myself to be honest and this for several reasons :
- those militias are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The Azov regiment is like 2% of the whole Ukrainian army and not everybody in it is a neo nazi
- Afghanistan and Syria were failed states and the insurgents filled a vacuum against the weak government they were fighting
- Ukraine might end up as a failed state too but it has 2 main advantages : 1. it has the backing of Europe and the US and 2. The "insurgents" are not fighting the government but the invader
- the far right in Ukraine has less weight in elections than most European countries
I feel that the Jacobin article makes Azov appear far bigger than their influence are. Now, they are definitely an issue, it's undeniable that some of them are nazis, but there are not that many to matter IMO.
There are ultranationalists in every army/police of the WestThe fact that they are a recognized wing of the military is a big deal.
That one dude is Canadian, he would cum to death if something happened to the US.
i guess nobody should help the US if we got invaded under the same pretenses