Essential Official post your piff for critique/comments/stunting thread

[ibrokemyneck]

check the newest ones please:

this was a triple producer collab, it's fire, y'all peep game



^^ that one is crazy as fukk, the ones below are less experimental.








i've been busy

 

[ibrokemyneck]

imma be honest i wanted a little more melody. you had a lot of melodic elements in there, so that may be confusing... but it wasn't catchy for some reason. like, i really like the sounds of it, but if i turned it off at the end i might not be still humming it. maybe the sounds were too whimsical and the wind really made it feel like i was standing on top of a green grassy knoll, wide open space. actually, as i type this, it's really growing on me. it's leaving room for a vocalist....

but when i first turned it up it didn't sound full enough and i thought it was because the melody elements were small and thin type flutes etc. Think you could widen up that bass? maybe its my headphones because i feel like it needs another element... it could be that theres no rapper cus i dig minimalist beats, had to turn down the monitors for the night. Your youtube game has stepped up good looks on that! digging the kick triggered prop bounce

 

[ibrokemyneck]

First thing I've made that I'm semi happy with in awhile.

good shyt man. the chants are great... sampled? or omnisphere or something. great snare rolls, good transition FX. my ears really wantd a section like 3/4 of the way through the song to make like a bridge section, 4 bars just intersected in the middle of it with some heavy ass brass, telling you the orcs were just released or something. THAT heavy. but great work... find you a rapper asap lol post the results

 

[ibrokemyneck]

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made this the other day could use some critique

the drums, especially your kick, don't sound hip hop to me. i can hear a subtle verb on your kick, which is creating space and all that, but i really wish it was a thicker, rounder bouncy kick. it could be better suited for something with a drum break...like this one, which your track reminded me of it actually. very much instrumental in nature. it's most likely just a plain old drum break with that bongo over top. i dunno might be something to look into it if that was also in your ears mind

 

[ibrokemyneck]

this was very experimental. very wide mix... the transition at :38 was like... slow filtered to holy shyt stereo business.. that being said you could bridge that a few ways. easiest is to do a long reversed cymbal... you had the vocals alude to "this being the end" or whatever the vox said. which was tight, but it wasnt enough suspense to drop me into the chaos. sometimes i'll take the first bit, like an 1/8th of 1/16th of what is about to play and kinda stagger or build it up like it's about to come in. sometimes i'll do a filter sweep and simultaneously do some panning. this is probably way more than you want to consider.

love over mind on the other hand is much different. I can't help but hear that you're stereoizing the shyt out of your drums. it's gotta be my headphones... so sorry if this comes off as retarded and baseless, but is your 808 bass in stereo? it sounds so damn wide. it's really drowning out your sample too, but that is to be expected to some degree. sometimes you don't wanna be clean (i rarely keep my things clean purposefully).

 

[Ghpstface]

this was very experimental. very wide mix... the transition at :38 was like... slow filtered to holy shyt stereo business.. that being said you could bridge that a few ways. easiest is to do a long reversed cymbal... you had the vocals alude to "this being the end" or whatever the vox said. which was tight, but it wasnt enough suspense to drop me into the chaos. sometimes i'll take the first bit, like an 1/8th of 1/16th of what is about to play and kinda stagger or build it up like it's about to come in. sometimes i'll do a filter sweep and simultaneously do some panning. this is probably way more than you want to consider.

love over mind on the other hand is much different. I can't help but hear that you're stereoizing the shyt out of your drums. it's gotta be my headphones... so sorry if this comes off as retarded and baseless, but is your 808 bass in stereo? it sounds so damn wide. it's really drowning out your sample too, but that is to be expected to some degree. sometimes you don't wanna be clean (i rarely keep my things clean purposefully).

thanks for the listen breh, good breakdown ... lately ive just been experimenting ... trying out different effects and whatnot ... seeing what works and what doesnt ... then when i do a project i kinda reign everything in ... as far as the love over mind beat the sample was really poor quality but i still liked it alot and wanted to use it for something ... plus i was trying diff effects on it ... theres reverb, chorus, some other random filter on there ... the 808 is stereo ... what do you mean by its "wide?"

 

[ibrokemyneck]

thanks for the listen breh, good breakdown ... lately ive just been experimenting ... trying out different effects and whatnot ... seeing what works and what doesnt ... then when i do a project i kinda reign everything in ... as far as the love over mind beat the sample was really poor quality but i still liked it alot and wanted to use it for something ... plus i was trying diff effects on it ... theres reverb, chorus, some other random filter on there ... the 808 is stereo ... what do you mean by its "wide?"

do you know about the haas effect? if so, that's what i'm meaning, if not, i can explain. also you usually want to keep your low end mono for possible phase issues later on down the road. i may be preaching to the choir about this tho

 

[Ghpstface]

do you know about the haas effect? if so, that's what i'm meaning, if not, i can explain

you mean Das EFX?

 

[ibrokemyneck]

you mean Das EFX?

So basically, the Haas effect is at a basic level how you can take any sound and make it sound steroized, or widened. so if you have 2 identical sounds panned left and right respectively. if you start to separate the timing of those 2 identically sounding hits, your brain will NOT be able to tell which one is being moved as long as it's below 30ms.... so your brain HEARS the difference in these identical sounds that are panned left and right at the same time but now it sounds in stereo.


This is essentially how a chorus effect works.... i think maybe even a flanger too, it's like a frequency moving too.. not sure.
Anyways there's a difference in being "stereo" and actually sounding like a stereo. stereo wave file is left and right sound info, but it may sound just like a mono sound if both left and right are identical... like your 808... BUT if you put a chorus on it it will slightly offset the left and right and make it sound WIDER, this is cool sounding, but can later on bite you on the ass. these 808s are in the sub and low end range and when you mess with the timing of these big waves you can have noise cancelations and really lose a lot of your OOMPH.


I use sterero a lot, but usually on just one element. i think i heard it on all of your drums on both of those tracks. i'd say keep your kick as mono, and definitely your 808. you could filter it hwere your low end part is mono, but your high end is in stereo but that's for another discussion.

I use the simple delay in ableton to get the haas effect (you can youtube it) and i'll sometimes put it on a snare or a hi hat or some added vocals to get them to stand out. use it sparingly and it will jump out. if you have headphones check the track below, i put it on the hi hats. you can hear how they sound nomral until you get the headphones on and can hear the spread, like they span from left to right and go wider...



You can also tell in this track. i have the kick and snare in the middle, and raekwon saying "yea" in mono slightly panned, but the sample is WIDE AS fukk partly due to the haas



what i'm trying to say, is that you need a good mix of haas, and non-haas and i was hearing everything in your track having it to some degree. it's cool sometimes, but it's just a good thing in general to know when you're using it a lot o npurpose ya dig? i hope this helped some

 

[Ghpstface]

So basically, the Haas effect is at a basic level how you can take any sound and make it sound steroized, or widened. so if you have 2 identical sounds panned left and right respectively. if you start to separate the timing of those 2 identically sounding hits, your brain will NOT be able to tell which one is being moved as long as it's below 30ms.... so your brain HEARS the difference in these identical sounds that are panned left and right at the same time but now it sounds in stereo.


This is essentially how a chorus effect works.... i think maybe even a flanger too, it's like a frequency moving too.. not sure.
Anyways there's a difference in being "stereo" and actually sounding like a stereo. stereo wave file is left and right sound info, but it may sound just like a mono sound if both left and right are identical... like your 808... BUT if you put a chorus on it it will slightly offset the left and right and make it sound WIDER, this is cool sounding, but can later on bite you on the ass. these 808s are in the sub and low end range and when you mess with the timing of these big waves you can have noise cancelations and really lose a lot of your OOMPH.


I use sterero a lot, but usually on just one element. i think i heard it on all of your drums on both of those tracks. i'd say keep your kick as mono, and definitely your 808. you could filter it hwere your low end part is mono, but your high end is in stereo but that's for another discussion.

I use the simple delay in ableton to get the haas effect (you can youtube it) and i'll sometimes put it on a snare or a hi hat or some added vocals to get them to stand out. use it sparingly and it will jump out. if you have headphones check the track below, i put it on the hi hats. you can hear how they sound nomral until you get the headphones on and can hear the spread, like they span from left to right and go wider...

so basically the drums dont "punch" like they should?

 

[ibrokemyneck]

so basically the drums dont "punch" like they should?

i added some more explanation above, but in short you need to know when you're widening, because that can ehlp you get a fuller sound easier. if you lack width you're going to sound not exciting and just stagnant. if you have too much width then you're gonna lack fullness and punch. the meat to the sandwich.

i just watned to point it out because usually, you have a thick 808 in mono kinda anchoring the mix with other higher end freq's spacing the track out, but you had it spaced out. in the experimental track you didn't have an 808 for me to poing out, but it's the same concept.

 

[Ghpstface]

i added some more explanation above, but in short you need to know when you're widening, because that can ehlp you get a fuller sound easier. if you lack width you're going to sound not exciting and just stagnant. if you have too much width then you're gonna lack fullness and punch. the meat to the sandwich.

i just watned to point it out because usually, you have a thick 808 in mono kinda anchoring the mix with other higher end freq's spacing the track out, but you had it spaced out. in the experimental track you didn't have an 808 for me to poing out, but it's the same concept.

ok i see

 

[The Unknown Hype]

the drums, especially your kick, don't sound hip hop to me. i can hear a subtle verb on your kick, which is creating space and all that, but i really wish it was a thicker, rounder bouncy kick. it could be better suited for something with a drum break...like this one, which your track reminded me of it actually. very much instrumental in nature. it's most likely just a plain old drum break with that bongo over top. i dunno might be something to look into it if that was also in your ears mind

yeah this is actually the thing I feel I needed to change the most ive never been big on using breaks as much as I try to sequence my own but yeah I def need to change the snares up for something a little more natural

 

[ibrokemyneck]

yeah this is actually the thing I feel I needed to change the most ive never been big on using breaks as much as I try to sequence my own but yeah I def need to change the snares up for something a little more natural

tbh i think you want it to sound like it came from a break. that will instantly hip-hopify your track. it's sounding too alt rocky kinda with the natural sounding drums

 

[roxxthe96er]

I dont remember if I ever put this in here,, if I did I didn;t get any feedback lol, so what yall think?