OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

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Citi Trends said:
There’s nothing to suggest Jamie wasn’t serious about protecting people when he was in that tub with brienne, when he saved brienne and when he rode all the way north to fight zombies for the living. Other than a subverted expectation heel turn.

The point of that scene with Ned was to get the payoff of learning the full details of why killed the king in the first place.

Maybe if they actually showed his regression and the fact that he never gave a fukk about anything or anyone, fine. But no, the end of his arc is relying on one liners to piece his story.

One of the best characters with one of the best story arcs was ruined.
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It wasn’t really a heel turn. Jaime was addicted to Cersei, plus he was under the impression that she was pregnant with his child. He was truly in love with that crazy bytch and so of course he was going to try and save her when he knew she was going to die.

He was at his most vulnerable and honest when he was in the tub with Brienne in season 3, having just recently lost his sword hand (before that, he was one of the best fighters in the Seven Kingdoms). He poured his soul out to Brienne. Being captured by Dany’s forces and at the time seeing no way to help the woman he loved more than anything, he wasn’t going to express his true feelings to his brother. He was just saying he didn’t care about the people out of feelings of frustration and depression. But he always cared about the people.

He was honest with Brienne though. “Cersei is a hateful person...and so am I.” Jaime did a lot of evil shyt on Cersei’s behalf and his own, including attempting to kill a little boy. That didn’t mean he didn’t do a lot of good too or that he didn’t care about the people. He clearly cared about Brienne. But when it came to Cersei, he was sprung since they were teenagers. He just told Cersei not that long ago, even after his “redemption arc” “Fukk everyone except us.” He was a complex nuanced character, but everybody wants to lump people into categories of “good” and “evil”, and it doesn’t work like that, not in the real world, and not in “Game of Thrones”.

We all know Dany did a lot of good shyt and honestly wanted to help people, but a variety of factors caused her to have a mental breakdown and made her impulsively do something worse than Jaime and Cersei ever did. There are no black-and-white characters in Game of Thrones. Anybody who watches the show should know this by now. As far as Dany’s heel turn being rushed, it really wasn’t. Things had been cultivating over the multiple seasons and this season had 4 and a half hours of Dany dealing with crazy shyt (finding out she wasn’t the rightful heir to the throne, losing one of her most trusted allies, being betrayed multiple times, losing yet another one of her dragons, feeling more unloved and abandoned than ever, her genetic predisposition to madness, the one man she loved not being able to reciprocate, and seeing her best friend beheaded right in front of her).

In cinema, people make heel turns in 2 hours or less, without the benefit of foreshadowing it over several seasons. Honestly I think people are bytching, not because the character arcs are bad, but because the characters ultimately didn’t go in the direction people wanted them to go. :francis:
 
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