Official fight thread for GGG vs Lemieux: Oct 17 HBO PPV

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

150k? YIKES

what de la goya spends on yay on a saturday night.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

@krackdagawd you know he probably did like 100k or less. Like I said before no promoter gonna drop the price of any event unless to cut losses. @GREENandYELLOW @MIAlien any info on how much MSG paid to host the fight ?

I have no idea. Wasn't mentioned in any articles or chat wraps I did.

So if the PPV loses money who covers the cost windfall? Combo between promoters and HBO? I think the promoters and HBO were very optimistic in their projections, which is why I had wondered if HBO offered it on PPV to help offset costs as their budget gets lean at the end of the year.

I really didn't know what to expect sales wise other than 200k buys was the number being pumped into the media. I know I justified it being on PPV for the fact that they needed to judge GGG's marketability. Truth is his TV ratings are good, but didn't lend towards a PPV transition, which is one reason why I wondered if HBO was just looking to remove some costs from their budget.

I think what has been proven and I know myself, @Newzz and @krackdagawd have discussed it before is that it is HARD to be a PPV attraction. I think the only true PPV viable fighters are: Floyd, Manny, and Canelo. That is it. Three in the entire sport. The Canelo-Cotto PPV will be interesting because it seems a lot of fans assume a million buys is just assumed. Getting a million buys is difficult. We should fully expect Canelo-Cotto to do well on PPV, but I am not so sure on numbers now. GGG didn't do so hot, Floyd's last fight was only 400k, and before that individually Floyd and Manny both had been 900k and below consistently.

Also makes me wonder about this Andre Ward-Kovalev fight buildup. They were talking PPV late 2016. This could be a precursor into how hard it could be to get that fight to a level of significant buys. It also makes me think that there was something to the financial disagreements between Ward and GGG for their fight. Maybe it wasn't just the split, but how much they wanted to get paid. If Ward is getting $2 million for average fighters and GGG just made $2 million in his biggest purse, their fight would have needed bigger purses. A PPV between the two of them I don't think generates enough buys, after seeing GGG-Lemieux results.

 

[krackdagawd]

I have no idea. Wasn't mentioned in any articles or chat wraps I did.

So if the PPV loses money who covers the cost windfall? Combo between promoters and HBO? I think the promoters and HBO were very optimistic in their projections, which is why I had wondered if HBO offered it on PPV to help offset costs as their budget gets lean at the end of the year.

I really didn't know what to expect sales wise other than 200k buys was the number being pumped into the media. I know I justified it being on PPV for the fact that they needed to judge GGG's marketability. Truth is his TV ratings are good, but didn't lend towards a PPV transition, which is one reason why I wondered if HBO was just looking to remove some costs from their budget.

I think what has been proven and I know myself, @Newzz and @krackdagawd have discussed it before is that it is HARD to be a PPV attraction. I think the only true PPV viable fighters are: Floyd, Manny, and Canelo. That is it. Three in the entire sport. The Canelo-Cotto PPV will be interesting because it seems a lot of fans assume a million buys is just assumed. Getting a million buys is difficult. We should fully expect Canelo-Cotto to do well on PPV, but I am not so sure on numbers now. GGG didn't do so hot, Floyd's last fight was only 400k, and before that individually Floyd and Manny both had been 900k and below consistently.

Also makes me wonder about this Andre Ward-Kovalev fight buildup. They were talking PPV late 2016. This could be a precursor into how hard it could be to get that fight to a level of significant buys. It also makes me think that there was something to the financial disagreements between Ward and GGG for their fight. Maybe it wasn't just the split, but how much they wanted to get paid. If Ward is getting $2 million for average fighters and GGG just made $2 million in his biggest purse, their fight would have needed bigger purses. A PPV between the two of them I don't think generates enough buys, after seeing GGG-Lemieux results.

Well friend I would do an avi bet with any shookboy that Ward/kkkov does better than this ppv

Do you know why friend?

Because with victories over BHop( ) and Pascal people actually know who tf kkkov is

We've been telling you nikkas from the jump that they are a similar draw because they get the same amount of viewers on hbo but you nikkas were drinking that media n hbo kool aid. :cmsas2:

While team :shookboy: were slandering #SOGGang for the #s of the Smith fight (a fight more people watched than ggg/Lemieux :cmsas2: ) they conveniently forgot that Lemiuex fought on the same night Ward did and got like 97k viewers ironically that's the same # of people that copped this ppv

As far as purses hbo would recoup more because Rocnation pays a % of his purse(just like Cotto)

I'm going to go home tonight make me some green tea with lemon n honey and re watch Ward Miranda and prepare to see my guy in the 2nd biggest ppv of the year.

#1 p4p :sog:

 

[LeVraiPapi]

I have no idea. Wasn't mentioned in any articles or chat wraps I did.

So if the PPV loses money who covers the cost windfall? Combo between promoters and HBO? I think the promoters and HBO were very optimistic in their projections, which is why I had wondered if HBO offered it on PPV to help offset costs as their budget gets lean at the end of the year.

I really didn't know what to expect sales wise other than 200k buys was the number being pumped into the media. I know I justified it being on PPV for the fact that they needed to judge GGG's marketability. Truth is his TV ratings are good, but didn't lend towards a PPV transition, which is one reason why I wondered if HBO was just looking to remove some costs from their budget.

I think what has been proven and I know myself, @Newzz and @krackdagawd have discussed it before is that it is HARD to be a PPV attraction. I think the only true PPV viable fighters are: Floyd, Manny, and Canelo. That is it. Three in the entire sport. The Canelo-Cotto PPV will be interesting because it seems a lot of fans assume a million buys is just assumed. Getting a million buys is difficult. We should fully expect Canelo-Cotto to do well on PPV, but I am not so sure on numbers now. GGG didn't do so hot, Floyd's last fight was only 400k, and before that individually Floyd and Manny both had been 900k and below consistently.

Also makes me wonder about this Andre Ward-Kovalev fight buildup. They were talking PPV late 2016. This could be a precursor into how hard it could be to get that fight to a level of significant buys. It also makes me think that there was something to the financial disagreements between Ward and GGG for their fight. Maybe it wasn't just the split, but how much they wanted to get paid. If Ward is getting $2 million for average fighters and GGG just made $2 million in his biggest purse, their fight would have needed bigger purses. A PPV between the two of them I don't think generates enough buys, after seeing GGG-Lemieux results.

Oh so now u using Floyd to save your argument because it fits you huh ? You were saying Floyd Berto was a mismatch and should be free. Nobody was hyping the fight and the fight was poorly advertised. Everyone knew the fight was not gonna do much and people were saying the fight wouldn't do 200k. Doing 400k+ was a huge success for the card and if a Floyd Stan said the card would do that we'll he'd be stoned and negged. Just take your L like a man breh. Have some pride. You and Dan were saying 200k was success so what is less than 200k ?

This is what happens when u think u big enough to claim thrones and say you some legend then you fall flat on your face. Now once Canelo or Cotto GGG does over 500k I know you stans and media slobber gonna run with the fact that GGG did 500k and act like that card never happened.

@Newzz @Big Boss HBO was strong arming investors offering low returns and acting like GGG was Floyd or Pacman lol. My dude said it was a very frustrating time for HBO when they heard the pre order numbers hence the price drop. He believes HBO will push for Canelo/Cotto GGG via the WBC so they can build him up use the Latino exposure to no limit. He also said Ward is even being discussed and nobody from GGG camp wants the fight.

About the wraps he said Lemieux people did not even fully inspect the gloves fully so he doesn't wanna hear anything. He also claims that GGG should not fight better competition now because he already made his name.

About Floyd return he says Floyd wants the media to see how important he is to the sport. If he were still active the media could have used his name to promote the fight just like A rum did with Pacman. That's why Floyd does not even talk about boxing but he's still doing light training and maintaining his shape.

@krackdagawd My dude says he's not involved with Ward at all and wishes Ward had signed with Haymon but he believes Ward didn't make a bad decision at all going the neutral route. He also said that Ward next card might be on HBO but Ward hasn't picked any future opponents. He also denied hearing much about KKK v Ward.

@Newzz dude believes Brower is a star and a bigger draw than people give him credit for. Brower had star quality and not camera shy. Khan Broner is possible but no discussions yet. Khan wants a payday and believe he's the A side when Brook was discussed.


Arum said he has no plans on refiling the suit. He believes boxing needs PBC and has his doors open for PBC fighters.

We talked on Lotta stuff but dude is so into his own company now and has hope Laura can do well with the Cuban market.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Oh so now u using Floyd to save your argument because it fits you huh ? You were saying Floyd Berto was a mismatch and should be free. Nobody was hyping the fight and the fight was poorly advertised. Everyone knew the fight was not gonna do much and people were saying the fight wouldn't do 200k. Doing 400k+ was a huge success for the card and if a Floyd Stan said the card would do that we'll he'd be stoned and negged. Just take your L like a man breh. Have some pride. You and Dan were saying 200k was success so what is less than 200k ?

This is what happens when u think u big enough to claim thrones and say you some legend then you fall flat on your face. Now once Canelo or Cotto GGG does over 500k I know you stans and media slobber gonna run with the fact that GGG did 500k and act like that card never happened.

@Newzz @Big Boss HBO was strong arming investors offering low returns and acting like GGG was Floyd or Pacman lol. My dude said it was a very frustrating time for HBO when they heard the pre order numbers hence the price drop. He believes HBO will push for Canelo/Cotto GGG via the WBC so they can build him up use the Latino exposure to no limit. He also said Ward is even being discussed and nobody from GGG camp wants the fight.

About the wraps he said Lemieux people did not even fully inspect the gloves fully so he doesn't wanna hear anything. He also claims that GGG should not fight better competition now because he already made his name.

About Floyd return he says Floyd wants the media to see how important he is to the sport. If he were still active the media could have used his name to promote the fight just like A rum did with Pacman. That's why Floyd does not even talk about boxing but he's still doing light training and maintaining his shape.

@krackdagawd My dude says he's not involved with Ward at all and wishes Ward had signed with Haymon but he believes Ward didn't make a bad decision at all going the neutral route. He also said that Ward next card might be on HBO but Ward hasn't picked any future opponents. He also denied hearing much about KKK v Ward.

@Newzz dude believes Brower is a star and a bigger draw than people give him credit for. Brower had star quality and not camera shy. Khan Broner is possible but no discussions yet. Khan wants a payday and believe he's the A side when Brook was discussed.


Arum said he has no plans on refiling the suit. He believes boxing needs PBC and has his doors open for PBC fighters.

We talked on Lotta stuff but dude is so into his own company now and has hope Laura can do well with the Cuban market.

Next time ask about
:swift#1: N :smugjr:

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Next time ask about
:swift#1: N :smugjr:

Oh no doubt I wil . I forget sometimes that we have a Swift clan here lol. You dudes are quiet and humble here like @Newzz

 

[krackdagawd]

Oh so now u using Floyd to save your argument because it fits you huh ? You were saying Floyd Berto was a mismatch and should be free. Nobody was hyping the fight and the fight was poorly advertised. Everyone knew the fight was not gonna do much and people were saying the fight wouldn't do 200k. Doing 400k+ was a huge success for the card and if a Floyd Stan said the card would do that we'll he'd be stoned and negged. Just take your L like a man breh. Have some pride. You and Dan were saying 200k was success so what is less than 200k ?

This is what happens when u think u big enough to claim thrones and say you some legend then you fall flat on your face. Now once Canelo or Cotto GGG does over 500k I know you stans and media slobber gonna run with the fact that GGG did 500k and act like that card never happened.

@Newzz @Big Boss HBO was strong arming investors offering low returns and acting like GGG was Floyd or Pacman lol. My dude said it was a very frustrating time for HBO when they heard the pre order numbers hence the price drop. He believes HBO will push for Canelo/Cotto GGG via the WBC so they can build him up use the Latino exposure to no limit. He also said Ward is even being discussed and nobody from GGG camp wants the fight.

About the wraps he said Lemieux people did not even fully inspect the gloves fully so he doesn't wanna hear anything. He also claims that GGG should not fight better competition now because he already made his name.

About Floyd return he says Floyd wants the media to see how important he is to the sport. If he were still active the media could have used his name to promote the fight just like A rum did with Pacman. That's why Floyd does not even talk about boxing but he's still doing light training and maintaining his shape.

@krackdagawd My dude says he's not involved with Ward at all and wishes Ward had signed with Haymon but he believes Ward didn't make a bad decision at all going the neutral route. He also said that Ward next card might be on HBO but Ward hasn't picked any future opponents. He also denied hearing much about KKK v Ward.

@Newzz dude believes Brower is a star and a bigger draw than people give him credit for. Brower had star quality and not camera shy. Khan Broner is possible but no discussions yet. Khan wants a payday and believe he's the A side when Brook was discussed.


Arum said he has no plans on refiling the suit. He believes boxing needs PBC and has his doors open for PBC fighters.

We talked on Lotta stuff but dude is so into his own company now and has hope Laura can do well with the Cuban market.

According to fight hype the #s are less than 125k I was just trolling with that 99k but I might be right.


You see all these nikkas quiet as a church mouse right now. :sog:


Yet all these losers were high fivin' each other for a fight that way more people viewed than the big time struggle show

We gotta go back over 10 years to find a hbo card that did this low

i wonder what they were selling on the paid programming that got that same 0.09 rating

I think BET Uncut used to get higher ratings than this.

"Did you watch the SonOfSeason4OfTheGame fight?"

Good Boy was probably one of the thousands who tuned into Kitchen Crashers over that struggle event

Mans gotta step up his cabinet game because he's running out of room to stash those cans

Joker the bailbondsman >>>>>> andre ward

I dont watch bum fights and i dont watch floyd mayweather

fast forward

We're #1 pound for pound

We're co main eventing the biggest ppv that doesn't involve Floyd/Manny

Setting up Ward/kkkov that will fukk around and do 3x what this did.

shookboys is there anything you can do about it??

#SOGGang

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Oh so now u using Floyd to save your argument because it fits you huh ? You were saying Floyd Berto was a mismatch and should be free. Nobody was hyping the fight and the fight was poorly advertised. Everyone knew the fight was not gonna do much and people were saying the fight wouldn't do 200k. Doing 400k+ was a huge success for the card and if a Floyd Stan said the card would do that we'll he'd be stoned and negged. Just take your L like a man breh. Have some pride. You and Dan were saying 200k was success so what is less than 200k ?

This is what happens when u think u big enough to claim thrones and say you some legend then you fall flat on your face. Now once Canelo or Cotto GGG does over 500k I know you stans and media slobber gonna run with the fact that GGG did 500k and act like that card never happened.

@Newzz @Big Boss HBO was strong arming investors offering low returns and acting like GGG was Floyd or Pacman lol. My dude said it was a very frustrating time for HBO when they heard the pre order numbers hence the price drop. He believes HBO will push for Canelo/Cotto GGG via the WBC so they can build him up use the Latino exposure to no limit. He also said Ward is even being discussed and nobody from GGG camp wants the fight.

About the wraps he said Lemieux people did not even fully inspect the gloves fully so he doesn't wanna hear anything. He also claims that GGG should not fight better competition now because he already made his name.

About Floyd return he says Floyd wants the media to see how important he is to the sport. If he were still active the media could have used his name to promote the fight just like A rum did with Pacman. That's why Floyd does not even talk about boxing but he's still doing light training and maintaining his shape.

@krackdagawd My dude says he's not involved with Ward at all and wishes Ward had signed with Haymon but he believes Ward didn't make a bad decision at all going the neutral route. He also said that Ward next card might be on HBO but Ward hasn't picked any future opponents. He also denied hearing much about KKK v Ward.

@Newzz dude believes Brower is a star and a bigger draw than people give him credit for. Brower had star quality and not camera shy. Khan Broner is possible but no discussions yet. Khan wants a payday and believe he's the A side when Brook was discussed.


Arum said he has no plans on refiling the suit. He believes boxing needs PBC and has his doors open for PBC fighters.

We talked on Lotta stuff but dude is so into his own company now and has hope Laura can do well with the Cuban market.

Must have had me confused with someone else. I said Dan reported the parties involved said 200k was a success. I said I could see it doing 200-250k. That was just my speculation as a fan. I was the one asking you your insights because you have some connections and investment into PBC that may provide some insight that wasnt being presented. I also said I wondered in face of your discussion that it wouldnt be enough if HBO was trying to get extra money so they didn't have to foot the entire bill even by using the PPV even if it wasn't a money maker.

I don't care about PPV numbers. Never have. I don't put anything on them. Personally I don't care about the money side of boxing. I care about the fights. That isn't a cop out for this situation, just that fighters need to do their thing, protection themselves and get paid. That is why I am for PBC. Fighters are getting paid. The fan side of me may complain about matchups I want to see not getting made, but it has nothing to do with money. Business is business.

Since the GGG PPV I haven't said anything defending it not selling up to expectations because I don't feel invested in that. I care about GGG making and winning fights. Yes popularity plays a part in that...but being PPV popular is a hard thing. That was my whole argument with Floyd. I have never disrespected Floyd over PPV numbers. My point has always been how hard PPV success is. Floyd is the most popular and watched PPV fighter and he has had PPV's lose money and the one vs. Berto only did 400k. That shows how tough it is. Someone may call me "less of a fan" by saying I don't care about GGG's paycheck. Oh well. It just doesn't interest me. I like watching GGG fight and like his personality. The business side exists so far from the fans reality that we really should just be worrying about what happens inside the ring

And everyone else was jumping on the bandwagon saying Floyd-Berto should be free. Personally I didn't care. It is Floyd...I expect all his fights to be on PPV. I thought the idea of it being on NBC or Showtime was a cool idea because it would be fun to see him on national TV. I also said free or PPV I wouldn't have watched it live. The Oregon Ducks were playing Michigan State that nigt and that was a bigger priority either way.

I know people have been going at you lately and you feel a lot may be GGG fans. Sorry breh, it isn't me.
I am here to talk boxing, get involved in some back and forth discourse, but it is all fun. I don't take it personally or feel invested beyond the fact we are fans having fun enjoying boxing on here. It is entertainment and I enjoy watching the athletes show their skills. The #SOGGang fukkery or Canelo/Cotto talks is just fun breh. Everyone knows I respect the hell out of them and want nothing but to see them in good fights. It is boxing breh, enjoy it; 2015 was a good year for the sport. 2016 looks promising as well.

 

[krackdagawd]

Must have had me confused with someone else. I said Dan reported the parties involved said 200k was a success. I said I could see it doing 200-250k. That was just my speculation as a fan. I was the one asking you your insights because you have some connections and investment into PBC that may provide some insight that wasnt being presented. I also said I wondered in face of your discussion that it wouldnt be enough if HBO was trying to get extra money so they didn't have to foot the entire bill even by using the PPV even if it wasn't a money maker.

I don't care about PPV numbers. Never have. I don't put anything on them. Personally I don't care about the money side of boxing. I care about the fights. That isn't a cop out for this situation, just that fighters need to do their thing, protection themselves and get paid. That is why I am for PBC. Fighters are getting paid. The fan side of me may complain about matchups I want to see not getting made, but it has nothing to do with money. Business is business.

Since the GGG PPV I haven't said anything defending it not selling up to expectations because I don't feel invested in that. I care about GGG making and winning fights. Yes popularity plays a part in that...but being PPV popular is a hard thing. That was my whole argument with Floyd. I have never disrespected Floyd over PPV numbers. My point has always been how hard PPV success is. Floyd is the most popular and watched PPV fighter and he has had PPV's lose money and the one vs. Berto only did 400k. That shows how tough it is. Someone may call me "less of a fan" by saying I don't care about GGG's paycheck. Oh well. It just doesn't interest me. I like watching GGG fight and like his personality. The business side exists so far from the fans reality that we really should just be worrying about what happens inside the ring

And everyone else was jumping on the bandwagon saying Floyd-Berto should be free. Personally I didn't care. It is Floyd...I expect all his fights to be on PPV. I thought the idea of it being on NBC or Showtime was a cool idea because it would be fun to see him on national TV. I also said free or PPV I wouldn't have watched it live. The Oregon Ducks were playing Michigan State that nigt and that was a bigger priority either way.

I know people have been going at you lately and you feel a lot may be GGG fans. Sorry breh, it isn't me.
I am here to talk boxing, get involved in some back and forth discourse, but it is all fun. I don't take it personally or feel invested beyond the fact we are fans having fun enjoying boxing on here. It is entertainment and I enjoy watching the athletes show their skills. The #SOGGang fukkery or Canelo/Cotto talks is just fun breh. Everyone knows I respect the hell out of them and want nothing but to see them in good fights. It is boxing breh, enjoy it; 2015 was a good year for the sport. 2016 looks promising as well.

honestly this is the best point of view to have but nikkas want to become business managers and accountants & downplay other fighters so shookboys gotta get this work and the media has been pushing this narrative in regards to ggg as well. You all needed this reality check.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

honestly this is the best point of view to have but nikkas want to become business managers and accountants & downplay other fighters so shookboys gotta get this work and the media has been pushing this narrative in regards to ggg as well. You all needed this reality check.

That's right. Also I see dudes that be going at Berto but Berto is still more popular than FloppyG.

@GREENandYELLOW I see u bred but u a Dan Rafael Stan so u still on probation. That dap was for ur dedication to boxing. None else

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Written by a GGG Stan

tp://finance.yahoo.com/news/floyd-mayweathers-next-fight-complete-180415794.html The early numbers are in for the upcoming fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Andre Berto and they very underwhelming. As of Tuesday, just four days before the Saturday fight, there were still 2,100 seats available for the fight at the MGM Garden Arena in Las Vegas, according to Darren Rovell of ESPN.

 

[Newzz]

That's right. Also I see dudes that be going at Berto but Berto is still more popular than FloppyG.

@GREENandYELLOW I see u bred but u a Dan Rafael Stan so u still on probation. That dap was for ur dedication to boxing. None else

You was doing good breh, but then....... You went a little too far right there

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

That's right. Also I see dudes that be going at Berto but Berto is still more popular than FloppyG.

@GREENandYELLOW I see u bred but u a Dan Rafael Stan so u still on probation. That dap was for ur dedication to boxing. None else

Yeah, I'm a little bit of a Dan stan. Won't deny that. My early boxing days were born through watching boxing on HBO (we didn't have Showtime) and I would check the Dan Rafael chats to stay current with what was going on. That was before everyone had a website, blog, or message board, so that was the easiest way for me to read about boxing. Those childhood things become nostalgic, I still love the HBO hype machine broadcast and Dan chats. I will admit Dan has been annoying me with his articles though. I like his chats because opinion and fact are clearly separated. He makes it clear when he is stanning or joking vs. when actual news is being talked about. Lately I have been noticing more and more though that his articles are featuring sly opinion comments mixed in with the actual reporting. I'm not down with that. The chats are cool and as I said I was really into those growing up, so I like providing the recaps for the board. They need to be taken in a context of fun too, because he allows for a lot of fukkery and discourse to go on between the fans asking questions and his own brand of humor.

@Newzz is always bring good stuff and he and @hyperman25 have been bringing the Breadman chats. Those are dope. I love how he breaks things down and has the trainer and business perspective. I also like the Robert Garcia videos. These are all things that educated us as fans.

Part of the thing is news isn't just facts anymore, or in many ways never can be strictly unbiased facts. It is being reported by people with their own views/biases and from the perspective they are looking at the situation. That is why more than one opinion or report on a topic makes for a better judgment than only one source.
Using that to get to the point that the stuff you report from your guy with boxing connections is interesting. You should put it out here more often. It makes us all smarter and have a better understanding of what goes on in and around boxing.

 

[MIAlien]

@krackdagawd you know he probably did like 100k or less. Like I said before no promoter gonna drop the price of any event unless to cut losses. @GREENandYELLOW @MIAlien any info on how much MSG paid to host the fight ?

I wish I knew. In a few weeks I'll be able to get a lot of new info, so I'll try to find out.

He also said Ward is even being discussed and nobody from GGG camp wants the fight.

Just to add to this, from what I've been told:

One of the main reasons Ward, RNS, and HBO even started pushing for GGG/Ward is because K2 assured them that they were interested in GGG/Ward and wanted to make it happen.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

I wish I knew. In a few weeks I'll be able to get a lot of new info, so I'll try to find out.


Just to add to this, from what I've been told:

One of the main reasons Ward, RNS, and HBO even started pushing for GGG/Ward is because K2 assured them that they were interested in GGG/Ward and wanted to make it happen.

I meant to say they not even mentioning Ward name breh lol. Not saying you're lying or what bit my friend MSG does not pay you to fight in their arena unless you're a big name and they did not pay for Ggg Lemoumou