Official "Dark Side Of The Ring" Discussion Thread

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I have yet to see the Ultimate Warrior episode, but I'm seeing reviews on YouTube and some people are saying it's bad.

Is it that bad?
I don't think it was necessarily bad, it's just a perfect storm of :

- a story that's well known with nothing really new being revealed
- A&E Biography doing a Warrior doc in the same week that was an hour longer and more detailed

If VICE wanted to do it right, it should've been two parts and they should've done a detailed dig into the nitty gritty - how he tried to sleep with Pillmans wife while they were married, his WCW run and how his trapdoor ended Davey Boys career (and led to his death), a deeper look into his controversial comments (Katrina & MLK), comments from his brother on things we don't already know like how Dana was supposedly about to divorce him right before he reconciled with WWE and got those checks, etc.

There's enough ammo to do a proper Dark Side on Warrior, they just didn't do it.
 

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here's the thing, Dark Side of the Ring is a great series. it is well done, the musical score is always on point, and even the weaker episodes are worth a watch. with that said, seasons 1 and 2 are going to be hard to beat.

everything reaches a peak, and Dark Side of the Ring has clearly peaked and is on the downhill slide. there is only so much doom and gloom to be covered until they have to start watering down the series with not so "Dark" episodes and/or exaggerating and rehashing topics that have been covered Ad nauseam.

if we keeping it real this show probably "peaked" with the Von Erich episode from season 1 but they've had plenty of good to great episodes since then

i think they could stretch this series out for one or maybe two more seasons at most then call it good after that
 

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Y'all bytching too much about the show. Typical TSC. :hhh:

I'm enjoying the ride, even if there's stuff that's been covered repeatedly.
Did you see the A&E one on Warrior? I'd tell people to watch that instead of this. They out Darksided Darkside. That's an L because the A&Es have essentially been puff pieces(except Macho's). Turn down the contrarian gimmick for sec.
 

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Did you see the A&E one on Warrior? I'd tell people to watch that instead of this. They out Darksided Darkside. That's an L because the A&Es have essentially been puff pieces(except Macho's). Turn down the contrarian gimmick for sec.
I’m not watching those A&E ones. There ain’t no competition between the two, that L shyt is stupid. If you don’t like it so be it. :dwillhuh:

Ain’t no “gimmick.” Too many people been criticizing this season and we’re barely a quarter in. Relax because there’s plenty of dope shyt incoming. :rudy:
 

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if we keeping it real this show probably "peaked" with the Von Erich episode from season 1 but they've had plenty of good to great episodes since then

i think they could stretch this series out for one or maybe two more seasons at most then call it good after that
I don’t think it peaked at that point yet if only because they still had plenty of big stories still left in the tank to cover and the quality of the show definitely improved with season 2. Benoit, Owen, and such wouldn’t come until the next season, plus you had Jericho narrating which is a good addition, and somewhere in that is probably where it peaked. Considering the topics left to cover and what’s come so far I would say this season is the downside. I don’t know that there’s too much left to cover for another season after this anyway, especially with WWE talent not appearing on the show.

Eddy Guerrero maybe, Chyna, Mr. Perfect’s
Final Days, WWE & Saudi Arabia, Signature Pharmacy scandal, maybe an Ian Rotten one (although on second thought after Nick Gage maybe not :scust:) and after that it’s not too much else.
 

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I don’t think it peaked at that point yet if only because they still had plenty of big stories still left in the tank to cover and the quality of the show definitely improved with season 2. Benoit, Owen, and such wouldn’t come until the next season, plus you had Jericho narrating which is a good addition, and somewhere in that is probably where it peaked. Considering the topics left to cover and what’s come so far I would say this season is the downside. I don’t know that there’s too much left to cover for another season after this anyway, especially with WWE talent not appearing on the show.

Eddy Guerrero maybe, Chyna, Mr. Perfect’s
Final Days, WWE & Saudi Arabia, Signature Pharmacy scandal, maybe an Ian Rotten one (although on second thought after Nick Gage maybe not :scust:) and after that it’s not too much else.


theres plenty of stuff for them to cover.

PLENTY.

theyre just getting lazy, this warrior ep couldve been one of their signature episodes, but they didnt put any effort into it whatsoever, aside from hitting up his ex-wife.


Warrior coming into Attitude Era, he was a colorful character with promos based on the old school rant and rave. There is no way you can run a serious program with him, which is why he ended up working with Golddust, Lawler, etc. Golddust being an edgy character didn't mean those types of gimmicks were what they wanted in the main event and to hold titles. He would have been bushed like he was eventually, alas Macho Man.

Even into the late 90s, Warrior tried to revamp his gimmick to be a little more "new millennium", and even with the atrocious WCW booking/storyline, a "can't miss no matter what" fell short.

It's kind of the same thing as Hulk Hogan, he was for the kids, for a specific era, once that era was changing and people werent messing with him as much, he had to change it up.

I'ma make a spinoff thread about what booking ideas people would think of for him with Shawn Michaels, Austin in long term feuds for the world titles, because that shyt woulda been terrible in the late 90s and totally made a mockery of the new movement.


the real issue with hogan was that half of the WCW audience wasnt feeling him PERIOD. they were 50/50 on him from jumpstreet. theyre not gonna tell yall all that in these lil documentaries because it would make WWF loyalists look at things differently and they dont want any types of ideas formulating in their brains.

back to the warrior, why do yall act like the attitude era was ECW?? im sorry but the attitude era was far more goofy than revolutionary. dont get caught up in the hype & nostalgia.

and what makes yall think the warrior wouldve still been cutting '80s promos?? especially seeing his history with a hot mic. he would have no problem evolving, and even if he did still cut ol school promos, he would fit in just like the undertaker/kane/paul bearer stuff which took up more TV time than everybody outside of austin/vince, and they were apart of the austin/vince stuff too.:laughL



breh I was a big WWF fan at the time, prime age and exactly the mark they were targeting with the Warrior comeback

I’m telling you there was something off about his return and he wasn’t THAT over

why do you think they had to give away his comic book for free with WWF magazine? it was a HUGE flop. so was his wrestling school they were promoting, so was his destrucity line as a whole. Did you ever see fans in the arena rocking it? it just wasn’t popping. I guarantee WWF/ Warrior/ whoever funded it lost tons of money on it

I won’t argue about the plans to push UW into the main event/ title picture but I think that says more about WWFs lack of star power as a whole around that time - and there’s no telling as to whether or not those plans would have changed, title runs are never set in stone

you are crazy to think UW and Stone cold would have co-existed. He would have buried stone cold politically backstage, it would have changed the trajectory of the attitude era and WWF as a whole and not in a positive way. Taker was humble backstage and put guys over, Warrior was not

agreed hitman/ HBK was overrated but you are exaggerating about the arena being half full. It was WM, not a house show, who leaves before the main event? Maybe a decent amount of people left mid way through since it was a long ass match but I’m calling duck tales on the arena being half full

Warriors run in 96 was just not that good by any stretch nor was it primed to be a success. Even if he stayed longer it would have ended poorly


youre ignoring alot of what i said and moving goal-posts.

- thats cool but i was at the peak of middle school wrestling fandom in '96 and i was already well-past the mark phase. i was a smark at this point.
- i never said he was as over as he was in the late 80s/early '90s. i said he was the most over wrestler that the WWF had at the time. the bar being lower is neither here nor there. i also noted that his return is what kept a heap of WWF fans on board before completely siding with WCW. when he left, the gap increased by a wide margin. you ignored this tho.
- the comic book was free upon arrival. youre listing a bunch of extra-curricular stuff that means nothing. what other wrestler had a successful comic book?? i'll wait.:popcorn: i never even heard of destrucity, and why are you bringing up his wrestling school. none of this stuff matters at all. its like youre nit-picking and looking for something to critique.

- the bottom line is, if his return was such a flop, they wouldnt have even entertained the idea of putting the belt on him, especially with the baggage that he brings. the idea that he was a flop doesnt even make sense. not to mention, they were trying to bring him back again a little over a year later. i mean come on man. this stuff alone should just jump off the page at you.
- the stone cold argument doesnt make any sense regarding your point. first you said, the austin era wouldve ended the warrior. but now youre saying that it wouldve never even happened if the warrior was around. which one is it??? also, with all the dirt thrown around concerning the warrior, ive never heard of the warrior holding other talent down, or even refusing to work with other wrestlers. so why are we even arguing about this??
- im not exaggerrating. im not even the first person on here to mention people filing out of the arena after the warrior match. you can see it for yourself. half-full may have been an overstatement, but a large fraction of the crowd was gone by main event time. the warrior sold that show, and the main event was weak on top of that. hell, i myself ended up watching the back-end of the ppv by myself that night:laugh:

the warrior's '96 run was indeed a success because his return brought more interest back to the WWF for a good 6 months, kept alot of fans from jumping ship, as well as bringing back prior fans who lost interest & tuned out during the new generation era. again, i was a smark. i saw the bigger picture in real-time. and again, if he was such a flop, why were they trying to bring him back a year later??
 
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Finally saw the warrior episode. If we keepin it a buck it was basically Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior Part 2 :heh: Cornette, Bischoff, Jake and JR completely shyttin on Warrior from beginning to end with 0 fukks given. It was actually more ruthless than the Destruction DVD because that one was structured more as a comedy and this is just a pure railing on Warrior other than the commentary by his ex wife.

The A&E piece was way better.
 

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breh I was a big WWF fan at the time, prime age and exactly the Mark they were targeting with the Warrior comeback

I’m telling you there was something off about his return and he wasn’t THAT over

why do you think they had to give away his comic book for free with WWF magazine? it was a HUGE flop. so was his wrestling school they were promoting, so was his destrucity line as a whole. Did you ever see fans in the arena rocking it? it just wasn’t popping. I guarantee WWF/ Warrior/ whoever funded it lost tons of money on it

I won’t argue about the plans to push UW into the main event/ title picture but I think that says more about WWFs lack of start power as a whole around that time - and there’s no telling as to whether or not those plans would have changed, title runs are never set in stone

you are crazy to think UW and Stone cold would have co-existed. He would have buried stone cold politically backstage, it would have changed the trajectory of the attitude era and WWF as a whole and not in a positive way. Taker was humble backstage and put guys over, Warrior was not

agreed hitman/ Bret was overrated but you are exaggerating about the arena being half full. It was WM, not a house show, who leaves before the main event? Maybe a decent amount of people left mid way through since it was a long ass match but I’m calling duck tales on the arena being half full

Warriors run in 96 was just not that good by any stretch nor was it primed to be a success. Even if he stayed longer it would have ended poorly

There were no plans for him to be in the title picture in 1996. Pure fantasy thinking if you actually believe that.
 

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I’m not watching those A&E ones. There ain’t no competition between the two, that L shyt is stupid. If you don’t like it so be it. :dwillhuh:

Ain’t no “gimmick.” Too many people been criticizing this season and we’re barely a quarter in. Relax because there’s plenty of dope shyt incoming. :rudy:
  • You didn't watch the A&E one which is why people are shytting on this one.
  • There was competition as A&E moved theirs up because they were both doing Warrior.
  • "If you don’t like it so be it. :dwillhuh:" Says the dude that came in here saying we complain too much because we didn't like it.
You proved my point
 

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As a history major and the fact I'm a wrestling fan. Darkside of the ring is an addicting show in my opinion I don't see it through the lense of this episode this past week being a bad episode like you guys are saying. The only episode out of this series so far that absolutely has no replay value is the Nick Gage one
 
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