Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

Who wins?

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the USA (2009-2017)

    Votes: 440 81.6%
  • Donald Trump, President of the USA (2017-present)

    Votes: 99 18.4%

  • Total voters
    539
  • Poll closed .

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Hope and change is just a slogan means nothing. He's a centrist and always presented himself as one
Obama very much campaigned as a liberal. His opponents ran ads of him being a radical. The difference between him and other dems. Is he was able to define himself instead of being afraid of others doing so. Hilary ran a trash campaign and barely visited the state supposedly.
in 2008 he was pretty liberal. he had a reputation as a liberal senator

on foreign policy especially he was considered liberal because of his opposition to the War in Iraq. that strongly helped him

one of the first things he did as president was try to close Guantanamo Bay. he and the dems were also ready for a public option before Joe Lieberman ruined all of that.

now he wasn’t as far to the left as someone like sanders or warren by any means. and his messaging and campaign strategy was inclusive and moderate but compared to kerry, gore and the other democratic candidates in 2008 he was definitely more liberal

what santorum probably wouldn’t realize or want to admit is after eight years of Bush the country - and Pennsylvania - was much more ready to elect a liberal president. and what we think of as liberal in 2020 is very different from what they thought in 2008
 
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Nov. 7, 2020, 9:17 a.m. ET1 hour ago
1 hour ago
By Annie Karni

Rethinking the causes of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 defeat: Should the 2020 results prompt a reassessment?


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Hillary Clinton at a campaign event in 2016.Credit...Eric Thayer for The New York Times
There was one subset of the political world that felt vindicated by the nail-biter presidential race: Democrats who worked for Hillary Clinton. The closeness of the Biden-Trump race suggests that the 2016 election outcome may have been less about Mrs. Clinton’s political weaknesses than it was about Mr. Trump’s political strengths.

In some of the states that Mr. Biden managed to flip, like Wisconsin, his victory was by a slim margin of about 20,000 votes. Four years ago, Mrs. Clinton lost the state by about 22,000. A potential victory with more than 300 electoral votes would look like a blowout for Mr. Biden, but it would also mask the fact that in some of the most critical states, the race was still only won by a hair.

Mr. Biden has not received the wide margins nationwide that many liberals had been hoping for. The silver lining for some former members of Clintonworld, as one put it: The 2016 Democratic nominee might not go down in history as the political version of Bill Buckner, who blew the World Series for the Red Sox in 1986 by letting a ground ball go through his legs.

“His electoral strength in 2016 had less to do with any shortcomings of Hillary Clinton as a candidate or of her campaign than with Trump’s own appeal to a broad segment of the population,” Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union and a member of the D.N.C.’s executive committee, said of Mr. Trump. “We need as Democrats to understand that and confront it more effectively going forward.”

Philippe Reines, a former top adviser to Mrs. Clinton both in the Senate and at the State Department, was even more blunt. “Hillary’s owed more than a few apologies for how her campaign was assessed,” Mr. Reines said. Jennifer Palmieri, who served as communications director for the 2016 Clinton campaign, said that the current election gives a new perspective to the race four years ago.

“There’s only so much you can do to ameliorate larger forces,” Ms. Palmieri said. “When I see young Latino and African-American men siding with Trump in a way they didn’t in 2016, I don’t fault the Biden campaign’s African-American radio program. It is a symptom of a larger change that’s happening.”
Trump’s broad appeal was the reason Hillary lost historical democratic states :heh: ya ok
 

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Healthcare with a public option :jbhmm: this is not a liberal idea, Medicare for all would be.

Cracking down on Wall Street :jbhmm:
He did? Could have sworn he let everyone who caused the 2008 crisis get off :dahell:
Minimum wage reform :jbhmm:
Majority of this country believes in Minimum wage reform this means nothing
Closing down Guantanamo Bay :jbhmm: drone strike program and war libya :gucci:

Renegotiating NAFTA :jbhmm:
Trump basically did the same shyt is he liberal :ohhh:
 

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Blackest states in the south SC, AL, LA, MS.. Abrams can get those to flip easily..Dems just have to give her the green light and unlimited resources
Not easy imo. Those states are high percentage black but that's relative to other states. Still a disproportionate number of Republicans in those states.
 
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