Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

Who wins?

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the USA (2009-2017)

    Votes: 440 81.6%
  • Donald Trump, President of the USA (2017-present)

    Votes: 99 18.4%

  • Total voters
    539
  • Poll closed .

2Quik4UHoes

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Got this exact response yesterday on social media when I was arguing economics with somebody and taxes:

The way I look at it is simple, it takes some rich fukker with a bunch of money to build the buildings that I plumb. I’m never gonna be as rich as them, but if I get up early, work hard, and never stop. My family and I will have a little piece of pie! If you tax the fukk outta that rich SOB he isn’t gonna want to build shyt.

That sums up America

I blame the wealthy crooks defunding the schools....:ehh:
 

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This was a really good night and W for Joe...

He did give them that massive soundbite though on oil...

That was unecessary...
yeah the oil bit was unnecessary but it won't change minds. Oil will be here until the casket drops so to speak. There will definitely be plans in place to replace it but it has a looooong bit of life yet.

And folks in the industry know it.
 

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WSJ DEBUNKS CLAIMS OF BIDEN INVOLVEMENT!!!! :ohhh:







Hunter Biden’s Ex-Business Partner Alleges Father Knew About Venture

Hunter Biden’s Ex-Business Partner Alleges Father Knew About Venture

Former vice president says he had no involvement; corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden

Oct. 22, 2020 10:47 pm ET
Hunter Biden, son of former Vice President Joe Biden
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An ex-business partner of Hunter Biden, in a news conference organized by the Trump campaign, alleged that former Vice President Joe Biden was part of discussions around his son’s efforts to form an investment venture with a Chinese oil company.

The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture nor stood to gain by it.

In a statement to reporters Thursday, Anthony Bobulinski said that in 2017 Hunter Biden consulted his father about a planned venture with Chinese oil company CEFC China Energy Co. to invest in the U.S. and elsewhere. Mr. Bobulinski was also a partner.

The venture—set up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaign—never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.

“Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever. He has never held stock in any such business arrangements nor has any family member or any other person ever held stock for him,” said Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates in a statement.

Mr. Bobulinski said that he was rankled by Joe Biden’s public statements that he never discussed the international business activities of Hunter and other family members. He also cited nearly $5 million in payments that a Senate Republican report last month said CEFC made to Hunter Biden’s law firm as another reason to come forward.

Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.

Mr. Bobulinski, who was scheduled to attend Thursday night’s debate in Nashville as a guest of Mr. Trump, didn’t take any questions after his statement or provide further details on any remarks made by the former vice president. He displayed three phones which he said contained information that he would hand over to the FBI. He also said he would provide information to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee led by Sen. Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) on Friday.

The venture with CEFC, known as SinoHawk Holdings, was half held by Mr. Bobulinski, who served as chief executive, and four other partners—Hunter and James Biden; Rob Walker, a former Clinton administration official; and James Gilliar, a British national—according to the corporate documents reviewed by the Journal.

Text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly the spring and summer of 2017, don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture.

Mr. Gilliar, told the Journal: “I would like to clear up any speculation that former Vice President Biden was involved with the 2017 discussions about our potential business structure. I am unaware of any involvement at anytime of the former Vice President. The activity in question never delivered any project revenue.”


In the correspondence provided by Mr. Bobulinski, an email he received from Mr. Gilliar in May 2017 proposed a possible equity arrangement for the five partners. The email references “10 held by H for the big guy?” Mr. Bobulinski said the “H” referred to Hunter Biden and the “big guy” was Joe Biden. Mr. Gilliar didn’t respond to a request for comment on that message.

SinoHawk was created to find investments in the U.S. and elsewhere for CEFC, relying in part on James and Hunter Biden, as well as their partners, to make introductions to politicians and influential figures, according to company strategy documents.

Mr. Bobulinski, 48, who said he served four years in the Navy, leaving with the rank of lieutenant, said through his business ventures he met Mr. Gilliar, who brought him into the proposed venture.

CEFC, whose founder and chairman had a background in military intelligence, was in the midst of a rapid, well-funded global expansion that often made investments that dovetailed with the priorities of China’s president, Xi Jinping, and his global program to build infrastructure. Its founder, Ye Jianming, was put under investigation in China in 2018 and hasn’t been seen in public since. CEFC has gone into receivership and been put under control of the Shanghai government.

—Andrew Restuccia contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Duehren at andrew.duehren@wsj.com and James T. Areddy at james.areddy@wsj.com

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Oh and by the way, the fact that Trump dumb ass started talkin bout the business end of it when Biden was telling people that $15/hour ain't enough... what a clown show.

Trump not being for $15/hour min wage was one of his biggest fukk ups tonight.
He only cares about the stock market, idk how magtards vote for him
 

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Yep

Worshipping the rich man, capitalist mentality

shortsighted as hell

I sometimes wonder if the legacy of the rich planter class and how labor evolved to a form of wage slavery so as to recreate that same dynamic of ultimate privilege vs what should be a natural progression to a more equitable society is what we’re seeing today. Ghosts of the past constantly haunt in different ways frfr.
 
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Frackers are going bankrupt left and right. It's a 50-50 issue in Pennsylvania and the opposition is there in many places. The opposition just isn't amplified by the cable networks and news people

And as Kamala said, “On public land.”
 

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Why does the idea that raising min wage will cost no jobs persist on the left?:dwillhuh:
Just accept it already.
I cringed when Joe said it.



A $15 minimum wage could lift 1.3 million out of poverty — and cost 1.3 million jobs
A $15 federal minimum wage would likely boost pay for 27 million US workers, lifting 1.3 million households out of poverty, according to an analysis released Monday by congressional economists.

But the income boost may come with a cost: It could trigger 1.3 million job losses.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released this conclusion in a report that analyzes the economic impact of the Raise the Wage Act, a House bill that would gradually double minimum hourly pay by 2025.
 
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