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1/1/2020? Man, you called that perfectly.
EDIT: My bad.
You're all the one who called that perfectly.
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1/1/2020? Man, you called that perfectly.
EDIT: My bad.
You're all the one who called that perfectly.
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Man we could have had Bernie 
Man we could have had Bernie
I'm not really sure the situation would be any different (and I say that as someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries twice).
You would still have Manchin and Sinema blocking his agenda. People don't focus enough on Congress.
I'm not really sure the situation would be any different (and I say that as someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries twice).
You would still have Manchin and Sinema blocking his agenda. People don't focus enough on Congress.
If Bernie won we would have had more progressive people get elected and maybe replace Sinema too. The problem is Biden isn't doing anything even if he had Congress everything he tried to push was a corp tax cut and a bandaid.
We’d probably be in the same situation. I think the Rescue Plan still gets passed. But beyond that not sure if anything else.I'm not really sure the situation would be any different (and I say that as someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries twice).
You would still have Manchin and Sinema blocking his agenda. People don't focus enough on Congress.
But Sanders would have been using executive action and existing authorities via legislation already passed to do more than Biden. That’s pretty clear IMO
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how does Bernie getting elected necessarily mean more progressive people would get elected? Bernie being on the ballot wasn’t going to result in AOC types flipping blood red districts.
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What exactly do you think he could do via executive order? I’m genuinely curious because I see this sentiment a lot.
She they was getting seats before the primaries in red districts but we didn't necessarily need the red seats we needed the corp dem seats that could have been replaced. We lost steam when Bernie and lost and the progressive side is a just shell of its former self.
Executive orders like trump did, pushed to get rid of the fillabuster, Green new deal being pushed instead of BBB with the OG 6 trillion package, Less covid deaths because he would have extended stimmies, student loan debt cancelled and etc. Also I hope you're not trying to say Biden is doing half of these things lol.
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The American Prospect spoke with all the primary candidates and put together a bunch of stories about the different precedents that were already set by prior executive orders and could be used by whoever won. Bernie and Warren both feel like the ones who would have used this approach more but even Harris, Buttigeig and Booker were getting name drops early on because their teams were plotting out potential strategies. There's a ton to look through here:
Day One Agenda
The big ones that I can recall would be forgiving student loan debt, reducing drug prices, and being more aggressive with the defense production act as a way to address the pandemic (more tests and masks for example).
Most of that can't be done via executive order. I wish that wasn't the case, trust me, but they just can't.
Filibuster was going to be a roadblock no matter who won. Maybe he could do something with student loans but the rest is unlikely.
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Most of that can't be done via executive order. I wish that wasn't the case, trust me, but they just can't.
Filibuster was going to be a roadblock no matter who won. Maybe he could do something with student loans but the rest is unlikely.
Nah, it's doable. Go look at the Day One Agenda coverage, there are precedents from previous administrations for a whole slew of action. No maybe on student loans, they could literally waive all the federal student loan debt (if I'm not mistaken the education secretary could technically do this even).
The question is what the political fallout would be, but it's just a political calculation and those become rationalizations for why most presidents aren't that aggressive with executive orders. Even Obama wasn't until second term. Trump said fukk it and it turns out, his party backed him up on all sorts of mess.
I'd imagine it should be easier with executive orders that forgive student loan debt or reduce prescription blood prices...but the political interests of talking heads don't always align with those of the people, so there really is a threat of some kinda electoral fallout.
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Student loans, sure, but what else (significant) can Biden do via executive order that wouldn't either be blocked by the Supreme Court or undone by the next Republican?
I'm legitimately curious. I'd love if he did something on climate change or voting rights (two of my big issues) but it doesn't seem like he has much recourse.