Official 2018 NFL Draft Thread (April 26th, 2018)

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We literally just drafted Myles Garrett:dahell:
Our d-line is set with him and Ogbah...I'd consider Chubb at 4 but there's no way if I'm the Browns that I'm taking him over a qb at 1.

You're literally covering 2 needs by drafting Barkley and the #3 QB on the board so there's no reason to take Chubb whatsoever
 

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We literally just drafted Myles Garrett:dahell:
Our d-line is set with him and Ogbah...I'd consider Chubb at 4 but there's no way if I'm the Browns that I'm taking him over a qb at 1.
Ogbah already broke his foot last year. Besides, no DE can go 100% on every play, they have to pick their spots...you have two elite monsters doing that, QBs would be swamped.

Start Garrett and Chubb while bringing in Ogbah for 30 all-out plays a game, and the Browns would be set at the most important position besides QB and would still excel even if one of the three are injured.

If you would consider him at #4, then you basically already agree with me. Because your entire case for not taking him at #1 boils down to, "I have utter confidence in the Browns' head office to predict who the best QB is going to be." :comeon:


This is the report in one mock draft: "It's unclear which quarterback will be the pick. I don't think Rosen will be in consideration following his comments about Cleveland. Darnold is probably the favorite right now, but I could see that changing to Allen or Mayfield in the coming weeks."

Their college football careers ended months ago. If you still don't know which one you picking, then it's a total crapshoot as to who is going to be best. And if it's a crapshoot at QB, why not take whoever is there at #4 and get the best defensive player on the board at #1?



You're literally covering 2 needs by drafting Barkley and the #3 QB on the board so there's no reason to take Chubb whatsoever
Cover the same need taking a RB anywhere in the 2nd-4th rounds - works over and over again just fine. The space between any two good RB's in terms of their actual impact on the game is tiny compared to the space between any two QB's or DE's.

Ronald Jones, Nick Chubb, Derrius Guice, Kerryon Johnson all probably gonna be available in the 2nd round. Royce Freeman or Rashaad Penny could be stars behind an adequate line, and they might be available even later.
 
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Ogbah already broke his foot last year. Besides, no DE can go 100% on every play, they have to pick their spots...you have two elite monsters doing that, QBs would be swamped.

Start Garrett and Chubb while bringing in Ogbah for 30 all-out plays a game, and the Browns would be set at the most important position besides QB and would still excel even if one of the three are injured.

If you would consider him at #4, then you basically already agree with me. Because your entire case for not taking him at #1 boils down to, "I have utter confidence in the Browns' head office to predict who the best QB is going to be." :comeon:




Cover the same need taking a RB anywhere in the 2nd-4th rounds - works over and over again just fine. The space between any two good RB's in terms of their actual impact on the game is tiny compared to the space between any two QB's or DE's.


Ehh, I want them to identify their qb and draft him at 1 because they've never attempted to do so since Couch...if they have a qb they want, I don't want to risk another team grabbing them at 2 or 3. They didn't go winless because of a lack of production from their defensive ends (or runningbacks).
I 100% agree with taking a rb in the mid rounds though, I don't get the Saquon hype:yeshrug:
Take Saquon at 1 and he rushes for 1200 yards, or take Guice at the end of the first and he rushes for 1000, i don't see the big difference.
 

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Ehh, I want them to identify their qb and draft him at 1 because they've never attempted to do so since Couch...if they have a qb they want, I don't want to risk another team grabbing them at 2 or 3. They didn't go winless because of a lack of production from their defensive ends (or runningbacks).
I 100% agree with taking a rb in the mid rounds though, I don't get the Saquon hype:yeshrug:
Take Saquon at 1 and he rushes for 1200 yards, or take Guice at the end of the first and he rushes for 1000, i don't see the big difference.
Couch. Exactly my point. :usure:

If this was like a Winston/Mariota year, where there are just two QBs who are head-and-shoulders above the rest and they have distinctly different styles, then maybe you have to get your guy.

But it don't look like one of those years to me...there all sorts of QBs out there and no one knows who is going to succeed.

Professional teams make a lot of stupid decisions based on overconfidence. It's the reason that high picks are WAY overvalued compared to more picks. Everyone thinks they know how to pick, when in reality you're better off just stockpiling as much young talent as possible on rookie contracts, even if they ain't 1st rounders, and using the extra salary cap room to get your sure things via free agency.



I 100% agree with taking a rb in the mid rounds though, I don't get the Saquon hype:yeshrug:
Take Saquon at 1 and he rushes for 1200 yards, or take Guice at the end of the first and he rushes for 1000, i don't see the big difference.
Exactly. And last year's Offensive Rookie of the Year was....a 3rd-round running back that the Bears should have had, but gave away (along with two other picks!) just so they could trade up from #3 to #2. :mjlol:
 
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2018 NFL Draft Position Review: Safeties

Safety Class
Early-round talent: A-
Mid-round: B+
Late-round: B+
Overall grade: A-

Safest Pick: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
This was an easy pick with Fitzpatrick. As a safety, he looks like a special player with the ability to be a true single-high safety in the deep part of the field. Fitzpatrick has great instincts and is extremely smart to always put himself in good position to make a play or save his defense from a bust. Fitzpatrick is extremely versatile with the ability to play nickel corner over slot receivers, cover tight ends in man, and be the deep free safety center fielder who protects the deep part of the field. He also can function as a strong safety and be the eighth man in the box. With this talent to help a defense in so many ways, Fitzpatrick is a safe pick to turn into a quality contributor in the NFL.

Biggest Bust Potential: Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
This was a tough decision because no safety stood out to me with bust potential. I chose Harrison because he could be selected in the top-60 picks, but I see some issues to his game when studying him. Harrison is a good run defender who has the athletic skills to cover, but he has issues covering receivers in man coverage. He gets lost in coverage and can really struggle in man on slot receivers. That was given a clear example by Clemson's Hunter Renfrow really abusing Harrison in the past. I don't think that Harrison will be a bust, but he could be a limited player as a strong safety who has to be protected in coverage.

Man Coverage:

  1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  2. Terrell Edmunds
  3. Derwin James
  4. Jordan Whitehead
  5. Justin Reid
  6. Jesse Bates
  7. Ronnie Harrison
  8. DeShon Elliott
Recap: Fitzpatrick has the speed, athleticism, and flexibility to play some slot cornerback. He can walk down to defend slot receivers or tight ends. He is a natural defender in space with excellent feet. Fitzpatrick is very adept at lining up in the slot, and also has played outside corner in the past. With his versatility, Fitzpatrick is a mismatch eraser who is very good in man coverage.

Edmunds is an underrated safety in the 2018 NFL Draft, and one of the special things he can do on the field is play some man coverage. He lined up and did well against slot receivers. Edmunds prevented separation and challenged those receivers. He has the talent to contribute some man coverage as a pro.

James has the skill set to play man, and he showed well in at times. Other times, he had issues in coverage. With some coaching, James could end up being a safety who also contributes in man. Whitehead is similar in that he looked good at times while being underwhelming in others. He has potential but will need work.

Reid started out the 2017 season well at playing man coverage on slot receivers, but he had struggles toward the end of the year. USC really went after him and exploited him in man coverage. For the NFL, Reid would be better off playing man sparingly.

Bates did mostly zone coverage in college. He does have the skill set to be able to contribute some in man coverage. Elliott is good in coverage, but could have issues with the speed of pro receivers in man coverage. Harrison has the physical talent to play man, but he allows too much separation and should be protected from doing that in the NFL.

Zone Coverage:
  1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  2. Derwin James
  3. Jesse Bates
  4. Justin Reid
  5. DeShon Elliott
  6. Terrell Edmunds
  7. Jordan Whitehead
  8. Ronnie Harrison
Recap: Fitzpatrick is the best and is tremendous in zone coverage. He used his instincts to read a quarterback's eyes, pick up receivers in the deep of the field, cover a ton of ground, and make some clutch open-field tackles. Fitzpatrick never gets caught out of position and is reliable as the last line of defense to prevent big plays downfield.

In the middle of the field, James is quick and physical with the instincts to make plays. He should be a real asset as a zone safety in the NFL.

Bates and Reid are very good in zone coverage. They have reaction skills that are strong. Both cover a lot of ground because of quickness and instincts. They possess the speed and athletic ability to help defend the deep part of the field.

Elliott and Edmunds are very good in zone coverage. Whitehead will make some instinctive plays and read a quarterback's eyes. Harrison is sound in zone coverage and is a hard hitter who is a true enforcer in the middle of the field.

Run Defense:
  1. Ronnie Harrison
  2. Derwin James
  3. Justin Reid
  4. Terrell Edmunds
  5. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  6. Jesse Bates
  7. Jordan Whitehead
  8. DeShon Elliott
Recap: James and Harrison are excellent run defenders. Both of them could grow and get consideration to play linebacker given their abilities to hit and tackle. Harrison was superb as the eighth man in the box for Alabama. He is a tough run defender who is physical, strong, and quick to the ball. James attacks the ball-carriers and can lay some serious wood. He has the size to take on big backs and speed to fire downhill. As a tackler, James was generally very good and makes a lot of stops, but he did have a few painful missed tackles during his final season at Florida State. James has a better skill set, but those missed tackles are why I have Harrison rated ahead.

Reid and Edmunds are physical safeties who function well as the eighth man in the box. Both of them are reliable tacklers and are tough defenders.

Fitzpatrick has very good diagnosis and read-and-react skills to get him in position to make stops. He is a good tackler in the tackle box and downfield. For the NFL, Fitzpatrick could use 5-10 pounds of muscle to help tackle the big pro backs.

In 2016, Bates was an excellent run defender for Wake Forest with 100 tackles. He can be decisive and attacks the line of scrimmage.

Maye and Williams were quality run defenders in college. Maye is put together well and generally is a reliable tackler. Williams had consistent tackle production over the past two years.

Whitehead showed better as a run defender during his sophomore and freshman years. Those seasons, he flew around the field and made a lot of clutch stops. This past year, he wasn't as productive. Elliott is more of a free safety, but he also is a solid run defender.

Ball Skills:
  1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  2. DeShon Elliott
  3. Justin Reid
  4. Jesse Bates
  5. Terrell Edmunds
  6. Ronnie Harrison
  7. Jordan Whitehead
  8. Derwin James
Recap: This year's class has a few ballhawks. Fitzpatrick has excellent ball skills with very good hands. He is a dangerous threat to take the ball away with his instincts and ability to break on the ball. Elliott was excellent at creating interceptions last year with six picks, including two returned for touchdowns. Elliott has soft hands and plays the ball extremely well.

Reid showed impressive ball skills as a junior with five interceptions and six passes broken up. He plays the ball well and is a threat to take it away. Bates had better production as a redshirt freshman with five interceptions compared to one interception and five breakups as a sophomore. Bates has some ball skills and catches the ball well.

Edmunds can make some plays on the ball in the middle of the field. He showed more ball skills as a sophomore, when he wasn't injured.

Harrison has pretty good ball skills for a strong safety. He had three interceptions with four breakups as a junior. Whitehead had better ball production as a sophomore and freshman. He didn't play the ball as well as a junior, and part of that could be attributed to him splitting time on offense, where he contributed as a running back.

James had 11 passes broken up last year with two interceptions, but a few of those pass breakups were dropped interceptions. He had plenty of opportunities that he let slip away by not playing the ball well.


Tight End Defense:
  1. Derwin James
  2. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  3. Justin Reid
  4. Terrell Edmunds
  5. Jesse Bates
  6. Ronnie Harrison
  7. DeShon Elliott
  8. Jordan Whitehead
Recap: The top two really stand out in this category. James has excellent size, length, and speed to match up on tight ends. James gets the nod because of the size factor, whereas there have been plays where big targets can make catches over Fitzpatrick. Still, Fitzpatrick is an asset as a safety for defending tight ends. With his instincts, speed, athleticism and agility, Fitzpatrick is adept at covering tight ends.

Reid has man-coverage skills to match up on tight ends, and while Reid struggled with the speed of slot receivers, he can run with tight ends. Edmunds has the size and quickness to play man coverage on tight ends. Bates will need some work, but he also could have that ability in the NFL.

Harrison has the size and athletic ability to cover tight ends, but he can get caught flatfooted in coverage. He has the skill set to get the job done, but will need some work for the NFL. In time, defending against tight ends could be an asset to his game.

Elliott demonstrated some coverage ability to help on tight ends. He could be fine against average tight ends, but might be in trouble against the top talents, who could run by him or beat with him suddenness. Whitehead has the speed and athleticism to run with tight ends, but he could have problems with tight ends making catches over him in the NFL.

Tackling and Hitting Ability:
  1. Ronnie Harrison
  2. Derwin James
  3. Terrell Edmunds
  4. Justin Reid
  5. Minkah Fitzpatrick
  6. Jordan Whitehead
  7. Jesse Bates
  8. DeShon Elliott
Recap: There are a few safeties who can really swat in this class. Harrison and James are the hardest hitters. Harrison really puts his body into hits and knocks back the ball-carrier or receiver with authority. James will knock receivers into next week, and he routinely blasts ball-carriers. He is a violent defender who can strike fear into the middle of the field. Both of Harrison and James are true enforcers who can separate the ball with the force of their hits.

Edmunds is a physical hitter, and that was evident as a junior and sophomore when he consistently thumped offensive players. Reid is a physical defender who will hit hard even though he isn't the thickest of defenders.

Fitzpatrick can dish out some big hits even though he isn't the biggest of safeties. He can take on big backs and also is good in the open field. Fitzpatrick made many touchdown-saving tackles for the Crimson Tide in his career.

Whitehead flashed the ability to hit hard and be a physical defender as a sophomore and freshman, but that disappeared somewhat as a junior. Bates and Elliott were both solid tacklers.
 

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Ehh, I want them to identify their qb and draft him at 1 because they've never attempted to do so since Couch...if they have a qb they want, I don't want to risk another team grabbing them at 2 or 3. They didn't go winless because of a lack of production from their defensive ends (or runningbacks).
I 100% agree with taking a rb in the mid rounds though, I don't get the Saquon hype:yeshrug:
Take Saquon at 1 and he rushes for 1200 yards, or take Guice at the end of the first and he rushes for 1000, i don't see the big difference.
Rushing yardage isn't the only important thing tho. They need to catch out of the backfield. Can they pass block when they too? There's a lot a RB needs to do. In the draft you can't try to get a bargain and wait and see if so and so will be there in later rounds. If you want said person, you get him
 
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