Obama's Bain capital attacks on Romney working in swing states

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Romney doesn't stand a chance against Obama.

 

[Serious]

Romney doesn't stand a chance against when the presidential debates begin.



Romney's bout to get swept worse than Lincoln did Douglass.....

Obama has no choice but to go negative, it's not like he can run on his policies.

Democrats are desperate and will be directing the most vicious, hate filled campaign in American history. Of course the uneducated rubes that make up their voter base will fall for it like they always do.

Nothing will ever top this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE

well maybe your mom

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

This is an effective ass speech. What can Willard even say in response to this?
Pesident Obama speaks in Maumee during Betting on America tour - YouTube

Obama will coast if he stays on this message until November. Romney getting his face ate like Kerry in 04...without the lies. Good to see the Dem being the aggressive attacker for once.

 

[Jello Biafra]

And Romney doesn't have any commanding lead in any states he was already behind in, I'm not sure what where you're getting that from. It doesn't matter too much though because Obama is a lock to win anyway. It's pretty sad that Romney is going obliterate Obama in ad cash and still lose.

There was a NBC poll last week giving Obama a 8 point lead in swing states and this week a CNN poll had Romney with a 7 point swing state lead.

And i don't think it is a lock that Obama wins especially not if something catastrophic happens in the fall like the economic crash did in 08.
It is still too early for victory dances for either side.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

There was a NBC poll last week giving Obama a 8 point lead in swing states and this week a CNN poll had Romney with a 7 point swing state lead.

If you average the polls, Romney is not leading in swing states. He's behind in almost all 11 of them. Obama has seen an uptick in the largest swing states recently. The most recent Quinnipiac poll had him up by 9 in OH.

And i don't think it is a lock that Obama wins especially not if something catastrophic happens in the fall like the economic crash did in 08.
It is still too early for victory dances for either side.

It's a lock. Barring a video emerging of Obama's sniffing coke off a white woman's ass, he's got it. It doesn't matter what the job numbers look like. They'll probably be meager until election time. But Romney would have like 89 out of out of 136 swing electoral votes and he's behind in all the biggest ones except NC.

Romney won't be able to square the deal with the people and convince enough independent voters and that he's the guy they should vote for. What does he have to run on? He's all negatives. Nobody ever beats an incumbent just running on "Vote for me because the other guy sucks." That's why Kerry lost. It's the old "devil you know" adage.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Romney won't be able to square the deal with the people and convince enough independent voters and that he's the guy they should vote for. What does he have to run on? He's all negatives. Nobody ever beats an incumbent just running on "Vote for me because the other guy sucks." That's why Kerry lost. It's the old "devil you know" adage.

If the devil you know is sitting on unemployment hovering around 9% then said devil is never a lock for winning anything. And again I would advise against putting so much stock in polls and metrics from this far out where most people aren't paying attention or being involved in this election at all.
And Romney is running on Obama's record with the economy, that is all he has to run on to have a shot since this economy sucks dikk and the blame for it will always fall on the person sitting in the WH.
And if memory serves all Obama ran on was "the current president sucks, the guy I'm running against is a carbon copy of him so vote for me I'm new and shiny". Despite all the up with people posters and Hope and Change slogans, Obama ran an almost entirely negative campaign against GW Bush to beat John McCain and become president. Pointing out how the other guy sucks while being vague as hell about how you plan on fixing things is a tried and true game plan to increasing ones odds of becoming president. That is what Obama did in '08 and it is what Romney will do this year.

 

[88m3]

I saw an ad yesterday if I didn't already strongly dislike Mitt the ad would do the trick

 

[Jello Biafra]

I saw an ad yesterday if I didn't already strongly dislike Mitt the ad would do the trick

What was it? I don't think I have seen a Mitt Romney ad since the Repub primary to be honest.

 

[yesiambowling]

This is far from a lock this year. Without a stimulus or budget, the job numbers released every month are going to be . Absolutely nothing is going to get done until after the election.

 

[88m3]

What was it? I don't think I have seen a Mitt Romney ad since the Repub primary to be honest.

I think its the one a few people are talking about.

The premises is that Obama saved the America car industry and saves jobs.
Money Mitt is all about outsourcing list some quotes off.


I'm in a hardcore conservative district so I'm surprised to have even see the ad.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

If the devil you know is sitting on unemployment hovering around 9% then said devil is never a lock for winning anything. And again I would advise against putting so much stock in polls and metrics from this far out where most people aren't paying attention or being involved in this election at all.
And Romney is running on Obama's record with the economy, that is all he has to run on to have a shot since this economy sucks dikk and the blame for it will always fall on the person sitting in the WH.
And if memory serves all Obama ran on was "the current president sucks, the guy I'm running against is a carbon copy of him so vote for me I'm new and shiny". Despite all the up with people posters and Hope and Change slogans, Obama ran an almost entirely negative campaign against GW Bush to beat John McCain and become president. Pointing out how the other guy sucks while being vague as hell about how you plan on fixing things is a tried and true game plan to increasing ones odds of becoming president. That is what Obama did in '08 and it is what Romney will do this year.

You are falling victim to the overanalytical, wonky beltway notion that undecided voters are actually making their decisions based on what number of jobs was added in a certain months or how much GDP is gaining. People care about swag, charisma, confidence, competence, personality, and vision. Obama has that. Romney does not...at all. I remember so many people thought Kerry was going to win and I never did for a second because he was an oak tree that talks. Matt Tiabbi said he had money on Bush the whole way. I remember he was asked did he think Kerry would win because of Iraq war going poorly, etc. and he was like "Nah, have you ever heard Kerry talk?"

Again, nobody ever beats a sitting President based on "he sucks, vote for me." I'm not sure why you're mentioning 08 because Obama wasn't running against a sitting President, he was running against McCain. He successfully tied McCain to Bush, but he also convinced people that he was the guy that could change things. He make the positive case for himself. He garnered tremendous enthusiasm and had legions of sycophantic stans.

What has or can Romney do to convince anybody that he's presidential? Nothing. He's a dislikeable plastic mannequin Gordon Gekko with Cayman Islands bank accounts that changes his opinions like an etch-a-etch that can't rally his base beyond a gag reflex, nose-holding "anybody but Obama vote" and he can't square the deal with independents. He's one of the worst presidential nominees of all time.

Romney cannot and will not win, period. I'd bet my house on it. Everyone paying attention already knows this. Nate Silver gives Obama 67% chance of winning and that's very generous imo.

 

[Jello Biafra]

You are falling victim to the overanalytical, wonky beltway notion that undecided voters are actually making their decisions based on what number of jobs was added in a certain months or how much GDP is gaining. People care about swag, charisma, confidence, competence, personality, and vision. Obama has that. Romney does not...at all. I remember so many people thought Kerry was going to win and I never did for a second because he was an oak tree that talks. Matt Tiabbi said he had money on Bush the whole way. I remember he was asked did he think Kerry would win because of Iraq war going poorly, etc. and he was like "Nah, have you ever heard Kerry talk?"

Again, nobody ever beats a sitting President based on "he sucks, vote for me." I'm not sure why you're mentioning 08 because Obama wasn't running against a sitting President, he was running against McCain. He successfully tied McCain to Bush, but he also convinced people that he was the guy that could change things. He make the positive case for himself. He garnered tremendous enthusiasm and had legions of sycophantic stans.

What has or can Romney do to convince anybody that he's presidential? Nothing. He's a dislikeable plastic mannequin Gordon Gekko with Cayman Islands bank accounts that changes his opinions like an etch-a-etch that can't rally his base beyond a gag reflex, nose-holding "anybody but Obama vote" and he can't square the deal with independents. He's one of the worst presidential nominees of all time.

Romney cannot and will not win, period. I'd bet my house on it. Everyone paying attention already knows this. Nate Silver gives Obama 67% chance of winning and that's very generous imo.

Now I agree with you that Romney is stiff but he isn't entirely unlikeable...he's too benign to get that worked up over regardless of how hard the Dems try to paint him as some type of boogeyman. And Obama's swag works with the people who already fell for it in 08. The fact that he is no longer a cypher and actually has a record that he has to defend puts a crimp in his awesomeness.
Obama would have probably lost to John McCain if the economic crash hadn't happened even though McCain was a terrible campaigner who picked a functioning retard as a running mate. He was carried to his election win by a shytty economy that got shyttier right before election day even more than the whole hope and change marketing gimmick. And that is what those ever elusive independents that you are talking about look at. Independent/undecided voters don't give rat's ass about how cool a candidate is they are swayed by two things depending on the atmosphere of the country/world at the time: the economy and security. GW Bush had everyone snowed into thinking that without him at the helm we were all going to end up in turbans praying to Allah. Romney's mission is to try and convince those same voters that he is the guy who can fix the economy. If he can be convincing at that and the economy either stays stagnant or gets worse then this election becomes a horse race with neither side being considered a lock.
Also Kerry didn't lose primarily because he was a nerd, he lost because he was and is a terrible politician who allowed himself to be outmaneuvered at every turn by the Bush team and be painted as a colossal p*ssy. American voters don't like pussies. Why do you think Obama has worked so hard at murdering brown people in the Middle East? Its so he can't be painted as a bytch on national security.

 

[Serious]

Almost forgot about how dumb Americans are........
USATODAY.com - Who's more likeable, Bush or Kerry?

& here's a modern one:

‘Who Would You Rather Have A Beer With?’ Why 2004 Is Not 2012 And Obama Is No Bush | Mediaite

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Now I agree with you that Romney is stiff but he isn't entirely unlikeable...he's too benign to get that worked up over regardless of how hard the Dems try to paint him as some type of boogeyman.

He comes off as a phony and a bit of douche. It's not that's utterly destestable, he's just not charismatic or likeable. You have to be somewhat to win over voters.

And Obama's swag works with the people who already fell for it in 08. The fact that he is no longer a cypher and actually has a record that he has to defend puts a crimp in his awesomeness.

Yeah, but I was talking about why he got elected in 08. His swag was on a billion. Romney is trying to get elected now, and he cannot garner enthusiasm at all.

Obama would have probably lost to John McCain if the economic crash hadn't happened even though McCain was a terrible campaigner who picked a functioning retard as a running mate. He was carried to his election win by a shytty economy that got shyttier right before election day even more than the whole hope and change marketing gimmick.

Bullshyt. This is completely false meme some on the right made up to try and lessen the L they took. It's repeated by morons like Slystallion, but it's just flat-out not true. McCain was not ahead in the polls before the crash. I know because I was so into that election I studied the polls religiously daily. McCain got a post-convention bump, that soon tailed off. A couple of polls showed him barely ahead, but the majority of polls had Obama ahead, and he was also comfortably ahead in the electoral math when you averaged all the polls. Obama won 365 to 173 electoral votes. That's probably the biggest margin you'll see for a long time in this hyper-partisan era we live in.

It was a done deal that whoever won between Hillary and Obama was going to win the presidency. The Democrats had the overwhelmingly enthusiasm gap and superior numbers. I believe the people who self-identified as Democrat was about 10% higher than those who self-identified as Republican at the time. Why do you think Obama raked in overwhelmingly more corporate money than McCain? They didn't think Obama's policies would benefit them more than McCain. They just saw the writing on the wall like everyone else and put down their investment.

And that is what those ever elusive independents that you are talking about look at. Independent/undecided voters don't give rat's ass about how cool a candidate is they are swayed by two things depending on the atmosphere of the country/world at the time: the economy and security. GW Bush had everyone snowed into thinking that without him at the helm we were all going to end up in turbans praying to Allah. Romney's mission is to try and convince those same voters that he is the guy who can fix the economy. If he can be convincing at that and the economy either stays stagnant or gets worse then this election becomes a horse race with neither side being considered a lock.

I think you're severely mischaracterizing and overestimating the acumen of the average "independent" undecided voters. They're mostly lazy, disinterested fukks who don't follow politics much at all and don't really understand or keep up with the issues. They make a decision and often it is based on some abstract concept like charisma or who seems more presidential. Obama wins in that category. Most people who keep up with the issues already have their own opinions formed. It's easy to forget that most people don't really give a shyt about politics and just vote for the guy they like better.

But let's say you're right and there is this large number of undecideds who do base it on job and the economy. Romney would have flip his poll numbers in about 8 swing states in the next four months, and he's behind big in some of the major ones like OH and MI that he has to win. That would be a drastic shift. It's not going to happen unless Obama gets caught in some blockbuster scandal.

Also Kerry didn't lose primarily because he was a nerd, he lost because he was and is a terrible politician who allowed himself to be outmaneuvered at every turn by the Bush team and be painted as a colossal p*ssy. American voters don't like pussies. Why do you think Obama has worked so hard at murdering brown people in the Middle East? Its so he can't be painted as a bytch on national security.

He ran a shytty campaign, but he never had a chance against Bush. Bush made the case that he was the guy who was gonna protect "Murkah" from "turrism." Kerry could never define himself for the people, that's why Bush was able to define him. Romney can't either, and Obama is defining him.

Two peas in a pod.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

PPP poll showing up by 8 in VA and believe or not, leading by 1 in NC.

PPP: Obama up in Virginia, N.C. close - POLITICO.com