Obama's Bain capital attacks on Romney working in swing states

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Interesting. A lot of people, pundits, posters here and on sohh, and even Obama allies and surrogates were dissing the strategy, scoffing at it and saying it will backfire.

NYT: Bain Attacks Make Inroads for

Propelled by a torrent of blistering television advertisements, President Obama is successfully invoking Mitt Romney's career at Bain Capital to raise questions about his commitment to the middle class, strategists in both parties say, as the candidates engage in a critical summer duel to set the terms for this fall.

Despite doubts among some Democrats about the wisdom of attacking Mr. Romney's business career, Obama commercials painting him as a ruthless executive who pursued profits at the expense of jobs are starting to make an impact on some undecided voters, according to strategists from both sides, who differ on whether they are causing any substantial damage.

While the sense of worry and alarm that has hung over the White House for weeks is dissipating,and with his supporters relieved by the Supreme Court decision on Thursday to uphold most of his health care law, Mr. Obama faces new challenges before the conventions at the end of the summer.

People close to the Romney campaign say it could close its June fund-raising books having collected an additional $100 million, possibly more, a tally that would exceed all expectations and further extend the overall Republican financial advantage in the race.

With that cash influx, Mr. Romney's team is preparing a new advertising campaign that will aggressively portray Mr. Obama as a craven political figure, rather than the transformative leader he pledged he would be.

They began that effort in the past several days with a new ad that uses video of Hillary Rodham Clinton lashing out at Mr. Obama in the 2008 Democratic primary campaign as spending "millions of dollars perpetuating falsehoods." Aides said they were considering more ads with Mrs. Clinton or her husband criticizing Mr. Obama.

"He's just another politician," Matt Rhoades, the campaign manager for Mr. Romney, said in an interview. "He's not the Barack Obama of the last campaign."

And Mr. Obama's aides acknowledged that whatever they do, they still must contend with a troubled economy, with monthly reminders in the unemployment and job creation reports, the next of which comes out on Friday.

Mr. Romney's aides said in interviews that their strategy depended on keeping their candidate close to Mr. Obama in the polls until at least the Republican convention at the end of August. They hope to begin to pull away then with a relentless case that Mr. Obama has not been up to the job of fixing the economy - and that Mr. Romney has the experience and the knowledge to lead the nation to recovery.

They have studiously avoided getting drawn into what they have called side issues. And at times they have limited Mr. Romney's media appearances, even after the health care decision, which conservatives believe will help motivate voters who now see electing Mr. Romney as the only chance of undoing the law.

But Mr. Romney's strategy of avoiding clashes on issues other than the economy and minimizing his risks - he has no public events scheduled until at least the Fourth of July - is starting to draw criticism even from some fellow Republicans, who are urging him to take more specific stands and set out a more positive agenda.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, has put other big issues in front of the nation on his terms, most notably same-sex marriage and illegal immigration, displaying the advantages of incumbency, energizing crucial voting groups and moving public attention at least temporarily away from jobs.

But even as they have tried to expand the playing field of issues, Mr. Obama's aides said they would not let up on their efforts to challenge the core of Mr. Romney's campaign, his claim to be a better economic manager.

"We've got to make sure people fully appreciate Mitt Romney is not some safe alternative," said David Plouffe, a senior adviser to the president.

To drive home that point over the past few weeks, Mr. Obama has gone on an advertising binge, spending more than $12 million during a single week in mid-June, according to a Republican group that monitors advertising spending.

According to the independent media tracking firm CMAG, between early April and late June Mr. Obama spent at least $40 million and Mr. Romney at least $10 million, with outside groups like Crossroads GPS and Restore Our Future making up the difference for him.

The latest advertisement against Mr. Romney has been criticized by independent fact-checkers as incorrectly calling Mr. Romney a corporate raider and unfairly alleging that he "shipped jobs to China and Mexico."

Mr. Obama's acute focus on Bain has drawn complaints from Democrats, including high-profile surrogates like Mayor Cory A. Booker of Newark, who said in May that he found the attacks nauseating. And even as the liberal "super PAC" Priorities USA Action joined the attack with similar ads, some Democrats said they had concluded that the attacks were not working anyway.

But recent Quinnipiac University polls found that there were slight shifts in Mr. Obama's favor in Ohio on the question of who would do a better job handling the economy, and that he was roughly even with Mr. Romney on the question in Pennsylvania.

In the most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 33 percent of respondents in swing states said that hearing or reading about Mr. Romney's business record had made them view him more negatively, as opposed to 18 percent who said it made them view him more favorably.

And strategists with both parties said independent voters speaking in focus groups had indicated that they had seen the ads or heard their charges and that they had raised questions in their minds about Mr. Romney's experience.

Steve Schmidt, a Republican strategist who ran Senator John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008, said the attacks on Mr. Romney's business experience appear to have resulted in a "fairly mild increase in disapproval ratings." But, he said, "it's not a huge rise over the course of a month."

And officials with Mr. Romney's campaign said that whatever questions the advertisements might have raised, they had not shifted opinions away from a general belief among swing voters that Mr. Romney is "the guy to fix the economy" and that he "will actually get the job done," said Neil Newhouse, Mr. Romney's pollster.

More important, they said, Mr. Romney remains in a statistical tie with Mr. Obama at a time when he is still recovering from his rough primary fight and is scrambling to raise money.

"As you start to put together a general election campaign, it's when an incumbent president should be at his strongest," said Stuart Stevens, a senior Romney strategist. "They've been preparing for this moment for three and a half years, and we've been in a primary until very recently."

Even with the political terrain newly settled by the Supreme Court's decision, neither side expects the campaign to move beyond its dogfight status before the party conventions and the debates.

"It's going to be very close," Mr. Plouffe said in an interview. "We're not looking for - and don't expect - seismic movement."
 

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im not sure how romney defends outsourcing jobs

bama always one step ahead
 
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This entire election is such a waste of money. We essentially can't pass a budget just because we need to air hundreds of millions in attack ads. :snoop:

I wish there was 1 term limit for everyone in congress/the president.
 

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The same pundits, beltway folks that said they can't beat the Clintons and become president...

No mystery why they keep doing their own thing and k.i.m.
 

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The article doesn't really say they are working though. It mentions a "slight shift" and a "mild increase."
 

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The article doesn't really say they are working though. It mentions a "slight shift" and a "mild increase."

I was wondering where the proof that its working was at too. Polls have been fluctuating wildly for months and none of this will really matter until after the conventions and first debate. That is when poll numbers will be better indicators of where the voting public is at.
 

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i don't really see any evidence that the attacks worked aside from the title of the article and a couple of political consultants

my beef with the attack was the whole denigration of private equity, and im glad obama pulled back and clarified

there is no way to revitalize inner cities and black neighborhoods for example without private equity, black people should be pro private equity, the private equity denigration is another example of when black people need to separate from liberals
 

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I was wondering where the proof that its working was at too. Polls have been fluctuating wildly for months and none of this will really matter until after the conventions and first debate. That is when poll numbers will be better indicators of where the voting public is at.

i don't really see any evidence that the attacks worked aside from the title of the article and a couple of political consultants

In the most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 33 percent of respondents in swing states said that hearing or reading about Mr. Romney's business record had made them view him more negatively, as opposed to 18 percent who said it made them view him more favorably.

It's working. Obama's poll numbers in swing states like OH has ticked up some recently. He's driving home the idea that Romney is a job outsourcer to these white blue collar voters.
 

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and Obama has ticked down in some states also Romney Holds Lead in North Carolina so it's a wash

He was already losing in NC before the Bain stuff. Obama is not probably not going to win NC this time. I'm not sure what this has to do anything. Nobody said the Bain issue was going to make him win every state. It's been successfully in painting Romney in a bad light in some key swing states, so that is a success. It's not backfiring.
 

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He was already losing in NC before the Bain stuff. Obama is not probably not going to win NC this time. I'm not sure what this has to do anything. Nobody said the Bain issue was going to make him win every state. It's been successfully in painting Romney in a bad light in some key swing states, so that is a success. It's not backfiring.

Its not exactly backfiring and it's not exactly helping, so it's a wash
 

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Last week Obama had a commanding lead over Romney in polls conducted in swing states; this week those polls have flipped and Romney has the commanding lead in those same swing states.
It is a futile exercise to base anything on polls this far out from the election or to make the statement that a specific line of attack is working based on polling right now.
As I mentioned earler, nothing matters until after the conventions and the debates. All this stuff right now is just wonky circle jerking.
 

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Obama has no choice but to go negative, it's not like he can run on his policies.

Democrats are desperate and will be directing the most vicious, hate filled campaign in American history. Of course the uneducated rubes that make up their voter base will fall for it like they always do.
 

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Its not exactly backfiring and it's not exactly helping, so it's a wash

Last week Obama had a commanding lead over Romney in polls conducted in swing states; this week those polls have flipped and Romney has the commanding lead in those same swing states.
It is a futile exercise to base anything on polls this far out from the election or to make the statement that a specific line of attack is working based on polling right now.
As I mentioned earler, nothing matters until after the conventions and the debates. All this stuff right now is just wonky circle jerking.

It's not a wash. Obama has gained in OH (especially), MI, and FL since the Obama people started blanketing the swing states with the Bain ads, polls show 33% of people in those swing states now have a more negative view of Romney's record, and he hasn't lost ground anywhere despite having a much smaller war chest. People are saying they agree with the premise presented in the ads and the person being attacked in the ads is taking a poll hit. Those are the metrics you use to determine the effectiveness of an ad campaign. The idea that Romney is a slimy job outsourcing vulture capitalist with hidden bank accounts in other countries is resonating with working class independent voters.

And Romney doesn't have any commanding lead in any states he was already behind in, I'm not sure what where you're getting that from. It doesn't matter too much though because Obama is a lock to win anyway. It's pretty sad that Romney is going obliterate Obama in ad cash and still lose.
 

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Obama has no choice but to go negative, it's not like he can run on his policies.

Democrats are desperate and will be directing the most vicious, hate filled campaign in American history. Of course the uneducated rubes that make up their voter base will fall for it like they always do.

How is it vicious and hate filled when it's just the truth of the matter? Romney didn't choose profits over job losses while he was at bain?
 
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