"Obamacare is the largest tax in the history of the world"(Rush)

[the next guy]

^^^and sarah palin is characterized as stupid?

Like she wrote that...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The court has just ruled that the mandate is unconstitutional...however it stands as a tax

Thank you Supreme court justice for calling out what this garbage policy truly is.

Forcing Americans to buy something from a private corporation in essence it is a tax to private industry a truly unprescedented event.

The sad reality is there are 10 million people who don't have healthcare and want it...that can be taken care of for less than the cost of what the government spends on food stamps...giving these 10 million people healthcare would have been a better law and more fiscally responsible than this monstrosity that we have today

Thank you supreme court for the shot in the arm to defeat Obama this november. If we don't defeat Obama it will stand that the states do not have the right to defend their own borders...to defend themselves against an intrusive tax that forces you to buy products from private industry

June 28th will be the precursor to the new Ether day on November 4th

Yet if he had done this, you would have condemned him as the "welfare" president.

And health insurance isn't the first thing the government has forced us to buy.

 

[jfkennedy]

Forcing Americans to buy something from a private corporation in essence it is a tax to private industry a truly unprescedented event.

Do you know WHY there's a mandate? It's because they're doing away with the "no pre-existing conditions" policy. How daft do you all have to be to realize that insurance companies have the upper hand when they can claim that you're getting insurance under the premise that you already have the condition? This is actually a GOOD thing.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

sly...

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Yet if he had done this, you would have condemned him as the "welfare" president.

And health insurance isn't the first thing the government has forced us to buy.

Neither of these lessen the stupidity of this law....

Make no mistake, Sly is on the right side of this by blind luck, not by critical thinking... you are right that if it were a single payer proposal he would find fault in it, as long as Fox News + Rush did

But this thing is a disaster

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Neither of these lessen the stupidity of this law....

Make no mistake, Sly is on the right side of this by blind luck, not by critical thinking... you are right that if it were a single payer proposal he would find fault in it, as long as Fox News + Rush did

But this thing is a disaster

I think the law could have been allot better. But it is better than nothing. Obama's fault in this was trying to compromise and get everybody on board. He should have just gone with the best ideas instead of trying to work across the isle.

 

[714562]

The court has just ruled that the mandate is unconstitutional...however it stands as a tax

Thank you Supreme court justice for calling out what this garbage policy truly is.

Forcing Americans to buy something from a private corporation in essence it is a tax to private industry a truly unprescedented event.

The sad reality is there are 10 million people who don't have healthcare and want it...that can be taken care of for less than the cost of what the government spends on food stamps...giving these 10 million people healthcare would have been a better law and more fiscally responsible than this monstrosity that we have today

Thank you supreme court for the shot in the arm to defeat Obama this november. If we don't defeat Obama it will stand that the states do not have the right to defend their own borders...to defend themselves against an intrusive tax that forces you to buy products from private industry

June 28th will be the precursor to the new Ether day on November 4th

...you realize that part of the reason Roberts ruled it a tax and not a mandate was because the penalty was NOT large enough to force everyone to buy healthcare, right?

And you realize that those people who want healthcare and don't have it will be privy to the expansion of Medicaid to 133% of the poverty line, right?

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

The Obama Care is not tax (2009)

Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think the law could have been allot better. But it is better than nothing. Obama's fault in this was trying to compromise and get everybody on board. He should have just gone with the best ideas instead of trying to work across the isle.

The parts that are good get cancelled out by the parts that are bad.

...you realize that part of the reason Roberts ruled it a tax and not a mandate was because the penalty was NOT large enough to force everyone to buy healthcare, right?

And you realize that those people who want healthcare and don't have it will be privy to the expansion of Medicaid to 133% of the poverty line, right?

What about the folks who don't have it who are above that 133% line? A family of four with an income of $32K the average American family... they damn sure can't afford health insurance (with premiums for such a family at about $1100/mo), but will also get slapped with this stupid ass tax, because they are still ineligible for Medicare. And nothing in this bill tackles the underlying problem, which are the skyrocketing costs keeping Americans from being able to afford healthcare in the first place. By pretty much any measure, this thing is a failure through and through.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The parts that are good get cancelled out by the parts that are bad.

What about the folks who don't have it who are above that 133% line? A family of four with an income of $32K the average American family... they damn sure can't afford health insurance (with premiums for such a family at about $1100/mo), but will also get slapped with this stupid ass tax, because they are still ineligible for Medicare. And nothing in this bill tackles the underlying problem, which are the skyrocketing costs keeping Americans from being able to afford healthcare in the first place. By pretty much any measure, this thing is a failure through and through.

Health-care reform law: How Supreme Court ruling affects families - CSMonitor.com

As the Kaiser Family Foundation explains, some citizens would be exempt from the mandate (such as for religious reasons, being in prison, being an undocumented immigrant, or not being able to afford insurance). The law deems insurance to be unaffordable for people when insurance premiums after subsidies and employer contributions exceed 8 percent of family income.

Your scenario actually fits my current situation. And the new laws will be a great help to me and my family. Currently healthcare is the most expensive thing I have to worry about. If I was by myself I would just not have insurance, so I could understand how some disagree with the mandate. But with kids you HAVE to have some type of health insurance. So i think it's a case of us all pitchng in for the greater good of the country.

 

[THEANGEL&THEGAMBLER]

= And nothing in this bill tackles the underlying problem, which are the skyrocketing costs keeping Americans from being able to afford healthcare in the first place. By pretty much any measure, this thing is a failure through and through.

We spend more on health care than other developed countries because our doctors and nurses are paid more. So basically the main way to make a significant reduction in our cost would be to reduce their salaries of the medical professionals but orgs like the AMA aren't standing for that and I don t blame them. In those other countries doctors have all their school costs paid for so they don't have any debt and they graduate earlier because their education is fast tracked so they are out of school earlier. Also Americans love to sue people so Doctors must purchase massive Malpractice insurance policies. So you can see how our whole system is fukked up and how messy it would be to fix it from a cost perspective.

Its a shame that we didnt implement universal healthcare before in the 1960's before cost began to sky rocket

 

[Jello Biafra]

This is a shytty bill and all the good parts could have been done without creating this bloated addition to an already bloated government.
And it still doesn't address the real issues with healthcare in this country.
This is Bob Dole's healthcare plan for fukk's sake! All these Obama fans big upping it just because he proposed it are just as hypocritical as the conservatives who hate for the same reason.

 

[Robbie3000]

We spend more on health care than other developed countries because our doctors and nurses are paid more. So basically the main way to make a significant reduction in our cost would be to reduce their salaries of the medical professionals but orgs like the AMA aren't standing for that and I don t blame them. In those other countries doctors have all their school costs paid for so they don't have any debt and they graduate earlier because their education is fast tracked so they are out of school earlier. Also Americans love to sue people so Doctors must purchase massive Malpractice insurance policies. So you can see how our whole system is fukked up and how messy it would be to fix it from a cost perspective.

Its a shame that we didnt implement universal healthcare before in the 1960's before cost began to sky rocket

The South fought against Truman and Universal healthcare in 1949 because they didn't want to integrate hospitals.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

weren't you a conservative last week? I'm really confused as to where you stand...great job on the podcast by the way

Me hating Rush has NOTHING to do with being a conservative. So do you subscribe to the notion that Rush is the standard bearer for conservatism. If you do your an idiot.

Im a conservative in some aspects and a liberal in others. I subscribe to no political party breh.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

We spend more on health care than other developed countries because our doctors and nurses are paid more. So basically the main way to make a significant reduction in our cost would be to reduce their salaries of the medical professionals but orgs like the AMA aren't standing for that and I don t blame them. In those other countries doctors have all their school costs paid for so they don't have any debt and they graduate earlier because their education is fast tracked so they are out of school earlier. Also Americans love to sue people so Doctors must purchase massive Malpractice insurance policies. So you can see how our whole system is fukked up and how messy it would be to fix it from a cost perspective.

Its a shame that we didnt implement universal healthcare before in the 1960's before cost began to sky rocket

Doctor and nurses salaries comprise less than 10% of the costs of medicine in this country. The VAST majority of the profits in healthcare to to the private corporations that own the PHARMACEUTICALS and the HEALTH CARE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.