NYT: 'If You Care About Privacy, It's Time to Try a New Web Browser'

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Surprised none of you use Firefox. You can add extensions easily like U Block Origin whether you're on mobile or on your pc. Ive been using Brave on mobile too but FF is my go to browser.

With FF ..

can you turn javascript on/off on a per-site basis with the default to off?

can you allow/deny primary and/or 3rd party cookies on a per-site basis with the default set to deny?

can you delete all cookies associated with a domain on a per-site basis when you close windows and/or close browser?
 

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no it doesn't. that is why I stopped using it.
Do you have the paid version? There's tracking filtering that can be customized. Proxy filtering that can be connected to a raspberry pi filter setup, and a stealth mode to completely stop trackers system wide. I'm just speaking on the mobile app there's better options on pc.
 

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Do you have the paid version? There's tracking filtering that can be customized. Proxy filtering that can be connected to a raspberry pi filter setup, and a stealth mode to completely stop trackers system wide. I'm just speaking on the mobile app there's better options on pc.

that's something else altogether. FF still doesn't have the domain granularity. nothing can stop server to server (e.g. server-service to google direct messaging) tracking - as your client isn't part of that communication path.

FF doesn't do enough and that is why I took the time to find a replacement.
 

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Do you have the paid version? There's tracking filtering that can be customized. Proxy filtering that can be connected to a raspberry pi filter setup, and a stealth mode to completely stop trackers system wide. I'm just speaking on the mobile app there's better options on pc.

just buy a phone that can be rooted or jailbreak your iphone and install a root adblocker for system-wide blocking.

i use adAway with various hosts files and i'm still able to use a VPN since I'm not running a vpn based adblocker.
 

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With FF ..

can you turn javascript on/off on a per-site basis with the default to off?

can you allow/deny primary and/or 3rd party cookies on a per-site basis with the default set to deny?

can you delete all cookies associated with a domain on a per-site basis when you close windows and/or close browser?
My FF has everything off and I put exceptions on the websites I want. That is for cookies, scripts, tracking, hidden miners, fingerprint stuff.

Regarding cookies, it's up to you and you can choose to block social media, third party, not visited websites or all of them together.

For exceptions, you can allow them for sessions only or allow them til you want to purge them.
 

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My FF has everything off and I put exceptions on the websites I want. That is for cookies, scripts, tracking, hidden miners, fingerprint stuff.

Regarding cookies, it's up to you and you can choose to block social media, third party, not visited websites or all of them together.

For exceptions, you can allow them for sessions only or allow them til you want to purge them.

Can you per site delete all cookies from that site (direct and/or third) on exit or on tab close? I think not.

FF removed their "ask each time" for cookies setting a while ago which to me was a betrayal and a nod that they were prioritizing business over privacy.

The developers said was confusing for users ... (power users be damned).

Now they have sensed the mood and are trying to improve privacy but they have shown where their priorities lay.

Discussion here: Firefox 44:"Ask me every time" cookie option removed - gHacks Tech News .

I ain't just talking ...

I don't have time to shift from browser to browser including all the research, so once lost always lost for me. [ edit: There is one exception / caveat but I am not going to go into it now ]
 

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Can you per site delete all cookies from that site (direct and/or third) on exit or on tab close? I think not.
I mean, you can allow cookies per site basis to be only allowed for session meaning they are deleted on close. That's enough for me. :yeshrug:

FF removed their "ask each time" for cookies setting a while ago which to me was a betrayal and a nod that they were prioritizing business over privacy.

The developers said was confusing for users ... (power users be damned).

Now they have sensed the mood and are trying to improve privacy but they have shown where their priorities lay.

Discussion here: Firefox 44:"Ask me every time" cookie option removed - gHacks Tech News .

I ain't just talking ...

I don't have time to shift from browser to browser including all the research, so once lost always lost for me. [ edit: There is one exception / caveat but I am not going to go into it now ]
That does not bother me honestly, either I allow cookies for a website or don't so no need to ask about it every time.
 

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I mean, you can allow cookies per site basis to be only allowed for session meaning they are deleted on close. That's enough for me. :yeshrug:

That doesn't allow for independent setting on/off for third party set cookies during a session on a main domain.

So from that you cannot say delete google.com and all third party cookies set by google.com and delete facebook.com cookies and leave third party cookies set by facebook.com (or vice-versa). Yes you could look up all the third party domains but they can change and the list is sometimes very long.

Blacklight – The Markup

Some benign websites only work with single-sign-on third-party-cookies or other multiple domain shared state.

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Websites track you by chaining the cookies together so I set as few as possible and delete as many as possible as often as possible. If websites behave in a particularly egregious manner I just block them in /etc /hosts. I don't see any sites or images on here from facebook, instagram, pinterest etc which are not pre-rendered and created by the board-software. Anything which points directly at list of sites which I have blocked just show nada or <data missing> text.
 

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That doesn't allow for independent setting on/off for third party set cookies during a session on a main domain.

So from that you cannot say delete google.com and all third party cookies set by google.com and delete facebook.com cookies and leave third party cookies set by facebook.com (or vice-versa). Yes you could look up all the third party domains but they can change and the list is sometimes very long.

Blacklight – The Markup

Some benign websites only work with single-sign-on third-party-cookies or other multiple domain shared state.

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Websites track you by chaining the cookies together so I set as few as possible and delete as many as possible as often as possible. If websites behave in a particularly egregious manner I just block them in /etc /hosts. I don't see any sites or images on here from facebook, instagram, pinterest etc which are not pre-rendered and created by the board-software. Anything which points directly at list of sites which I have blocked just show nada or <data missing> text.
Ok I see your point regarding those cookies. Does Brave block them ? Because I always felt Brave was not as good as Firefox regarding privacy.
 

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Ok I see your point regarding those cookies. Does Brave block them ? Because I always felt Brave was not as good as Firefox regarding privacy.

Yes it gives fine control for blocking cookies and javascript. FF may have made some advancements since I left but I still prefer the Brave shield and configuration interface for setting and monitoring this stuff.

Downsides? Brave is smaller so less support, less info, possibly more bugs? The browser desktop pinned sites stuff doesn't work properly. I would prefer if you could block individual cookies. If you change default shield settings it can have lots of side-effects on your per-site settings, so once you have set your default shields leave it at that. You need to install third part libs (a security risk) to get streaming services working (Netflix, Disney+). Brave is based on core chrome (Chromium) and given general risk I avoid adding any plugins - no extensions means less functionality vs. FF. The browser window auto-resizes when you use file-dialog (for example loading images in imgur via dialog) - it shrinks by about 1 menu height size. Drag and drop on the bookmark menus is easy as smooth as with FF.

That's about it.

I did plan to build it and extend it one day but on Linux rather than Mac. Haven't got around to it yet though.
 
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