NYPD Commissioner wanted Stop and Frisk to "instill fear" in Young Minority Men

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During a 2010 meeting, New York Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly said the city’s aggressive stop-and-frisk policy targeted so many young black and Latino men because “he wanted to instill fear in them, every time they leave their home they could be stopped by the police,” according to testimony by State Senator Eric Adams (D). Adams, a former NYPD captain, said the statement came during a private conversation Kelly had with Gov. David A. Patterson and Adams to discuss the stop-and-frisk tactic’s significance as a crime-fighting tool.


Kelly denied the allegation Monday, saying that Adams’ suggestion that he targets minorities is “absolutely, categorically untrue.” The New York Times reports:

The disagreement between Mr. Kelly and Senator Adams is nothing new; the senator has long criticized the department for what he says are unlawful street stops. But Mr. Adams usually issues his criticism at one of the various street-side news conferences that he has held over the years — not in federal court as the only elected official scheduled to testify at the trial.

Reasonable suspicion is the required constitutional standard for a police stop, and Judge Scheindlin has made clear that testimony about the effectiveness of the policy in reducing crime is not relevant to its constitutionality.

Adams’ testimony is the latest piece of damning evidence to come out of trial in a class action challenge to the New York Police Department’s rampant use of “stop and frisks,” a practice in which officers stop someone suspected of a crime, and may subsequently frisk that individual if they have justification for doing so. Last week, an officer testified that he was told to target young, black men, and others testified that the New York Police Department imposes quotas for stop-and-frisks.

In 2011, NYPD made more stops of young black men than there are young black men in the city. And since Mayor Bloomberg took office in 2002, 86 percent of people stopped have been black or Latino.

NYPD Commissioner Wanted Stop-And-Frisks To
 

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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.
 

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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.

Good point, but I don't necessarily disagree with stop-and-frisk, I'm just against how it's being enforced. To specifically target age in conjunction with race and nothing else appears to do more harm than good.

Overall, part of me finds it hard enough to believe that someone of Kelly's experience and background would say something so obviously destructive amongst open ears. Another part of me believes that the NYPD's attorneys, policy makers and analysts had to know that stop and frisk would be challenged as unconstitutional. Something tells me that they were under the belief that going to the extreme with this would legally configure to something more moderate in court, thereby legitimizing it. In the end, I think they've won this battle.
 
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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.

shiit last time I flew got the searched by DEA in the fukking tunnel, made me open up my suit cases and everything
 

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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.

:upsetfavre: people gonna commit crime. Spanish Harlem just had a big raid. Stop and Frisk ain't gonna stop shyt imo. They mostly found weed. Judges would throw out the case cause it was so small.
 

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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.

if you focus on arresting ONE group of people white NOT arresting another group LOGIC is going to tell you that the first group will have a HIGHER rate because the second group WAS NEVER ARRESTED.

Like i said, do a "raid" at a suburban highschool and watch how many kids get dinged for drugs. NOW you'll have real statistics to work with and me thinketh you'll see more drug use in the richer areas.
 

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yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.

As sad as it is, you have a point. While everyone is crying racism over this policy, the dramatic drop in crime can't be coincidental. nikkas are out of control out here it appears..
 

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As sad as it is, you have a point. While everyone is crying racism over this policy, the dramatic drop in crime can't be coincidental. nikkas are out of control out here it appears..

There is no dramatic drop in crime that can be attributed to stop and frisk. You just made that up. Less than 7% of the stops in NYC result in an arrest, and of those arrested most of the charges end up being for petty shyt like weed. About 1% of all stops result in the recovery of a weapon.
yeah but how much has crime dropped during that time? who commits most of the crimes?

sometimes racism works :yeshrug:

you dont see people frisking black people at the airport, cause those arent the ones that'll potentially blow up the place.
The fact that some idiot could post something like this and get consigned says something terrible about this site. I always figured that this nonblack piece of shyt was racist but the fact that he's being cosigned is :snoop:
 
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