NYC charter schools becoming a problem

[tru_m.a.c]

i think you are confused, actually the whole point of the charter school movement is to deal with the culture that the public school is incapable of handling

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i think what people dont want to admit is that the public school is inherently incapable of dealing with it, and the public school system should pretty much be abolished and be replaced with independent charter schools and vouchers

i think everytime a failing school is closed there should be celebration

was simply responding to your "just shut down the school and ship the kids away" comment...which is exactly what the article was saying was causing problems in other places

and yeah I studied that and my ex is currently a charter school teacher and my mom is a retired nyc public school teacher

 

[theworldismine13]

was simply responding to your "just shut down the school and ship the kids away" comment...which is exactly what the article was saying was causing problems in other places

and yeah I studied that and my ex is currently a charter school teacher and my mom is a retired nyc public school teacher

ive studied the issue and i stand by my comment, we should shut down failing public schools and disperse the students to other schools, thats one thing that bloomberg is doing right, nobody said its simple but that is essentially what should and is happening

like i said, i read the article and i dont really see what the problem is, it just seems to be describing some growing pains, its not showing anything fundamentally wrong

unless there is a kid that is literally not able to go to school im not sure what the crisis is

 

[tru_m.a.c]

ive studied the issue and i stand by my comment, we should shut down failing public schools and disperse the students to other schools, thats one thing that bloomberg is doing right, nobody said its simple but that is essentially what should and is happening

like i said, i read the article and i dont really see what the problem is, it just seems to be describing some growing pains, its not showing anything fundamentally wrong

unless there is a kid that is literally not able to go to school im not sure what the crisis is

With all due respect, you did say "shut the failing school down."

Not the failing public school down.

That changes things and I wouldn't have commented. I understand now.

 

[theworldismine13]

With all due respect, you did say "shut the failing school down."

Not the failing public school down.

That changes things and I wouldn't have commented. I understand now.

well i actually meant both, i think the traditional public school system should be shut down and replaced with charters and vouchers

but shutting down specific schools is a step in the right direction

 

[daze23]

simply...

nobody said its simple

 

[Enzo]

The ill thing about charter schools is that they are taking government funds from taxpayers but don't have the same regulation so now you have two problems

Charter Schools (private corporations) getting education dollars without accountability requirements

Public Schools now being underfunded and getting the worst of the worst students since charter schools are selective in their process while public schools can't deny any student the right to an education.

 

[theworldismine13]

The ill thing about charter schools is that they are taking government funds from taxpayers but don't have the same regulation so now you have two problems

Charter Schools (private corporations) getting education dollars without accountability requirements

Public Schools now being underfunded and getting the worst of the worst students since charter schools are selective in their process while public schools can't deny any student the right to an education.

It isn't a problem it's a solution to the fact that the money given to public schools goes to support a bloated bureaucracy that doesn't know how to teach children

and it's a lie that charter schools aren't held accountable, even this article itself says that charter schools get shut down if they don't perform

but overall people need to make a paradigm shift and understand the governments role is not to educate children, it's simply to make sure that children are educated, so how and by whom children are educated should be left to the parent not the government

 

[Jello Biafra]

The ill thing about charter schools is that they are taking government funds from taxpayers but don't have the same regulation so now you have two problems

Charter Schools (private corporations) getting education dollars without accountability requirements

Public Schools now being underfunded and getting the worst of the worst students since charter schools are selective in their process while public schools can't deny any student the right to an education.

While charter schools get to bypass some of the regulations that public schools have to deal with they get that caveat by agreeing to specific achievements that the school has to meet or face a loss of funding and eventual shutdown.
So its not like the charter schools are running around unchecked...they actually have to meet (and sometimes exceed) a set of very specific metrics.
The main issue with charter schools is that there is not really an across the board effective body that does the evaluations of charter schools to see if they are meeting those requirements. Some cities/states are better at it than others and as a result some schools and their students fall though the cracks.

 

[Enzo]

I understand that but at the end of the day, the fact that they can kick out kids for having low GPAs mean they will always reach their goals because all the ones preventing them from reaching their goals are kicked out.

Another point, when people use voucher programs to pay for private religious schools, the government is now paying for the indoctrination of children which violates the establishment clause of the US regardless of the SC hearing and that bs 5 point test.

 

[theworldismine13]

I understand that but at the end of the day, the fact that they can kick out kids for having low GPAs mean they will always reach their goals because all the ones preventing them from reaching their goals are kicked out.

Another point, when people use voucher programs to pay for private religious schools, the government is now paying for the indoctrination of children which violates the establishment clause of the US regardless of the SC hearing and that bs 5 point test.

i cant rule it out that some charter schools may work that way but its up to school district to decide rules like that, its not a definition of a charter school

the voucher system isnt any different than the financial aid system that any student gets that goes to a religious university, its not establishing a religion, its simply giving parents money to send their kids to whatever school they want

 

[Agent Mulder]

My daughter is in a charter school. She's in the 5th grade and has been in it since kindergarten. We were considering transferring her out to a public school this year but realized how little our options were in terms of getting her into a decent public school.

Charter schools can be very demanding. My daughter is in school from 8am-4:30pm. She started class August 15th, almost a full month before public schools. In January they have "mandatory" tutoring til' 6pm for about 2 months. Doesn't help that they BOMBARD her with HW. Won't lie though, my daughter is eons brighter and excited about learning than my friends' kid and her little cousins who attend a public schools.

I just dislike that it feels like my daughters' life revolves around school. By the time we get home, it's usually almost 6pm and even though she's knocking out the HW on the train with me she still has at least another hour of it when she gets home. She's in bed by 9:15/30pm and then she repeats it all over again in the morning so we don't spend that much time together doing extra stuff at home or outside except for the weekends. I'm under the impression that they just want to assure that their students are getting really good grades on state tests. Sometimes, like this summer before school started, I think about transferring her out to a public school and letting her have more downtime being that she'd get out from school at 3pm etc. But then I think about how much she's learning and growing and how she's used to the schedule/teachers/friends and school in general. It's small school so all the teachers and staff know her and are fond of her. Her school just announced that they're extending to middle school next year but we won't be sending her there anymore as we're looking for a school that focuses on Music and Art. I think she's ready for a whole new experience anyways. Just doing my HW on selecting schools for her. Seems like schools in NYC are like roller coasters though. Wish us luck.