NYC charter schools becoming a problem

[the next guy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/e...l=1&adxnnlx=1346695295-M0VtGqc7CGpD0I2dlqWzxA

Schools still have same issues.

 

[zerozero]

I've never clearly understood this situation I'll have to read up on it

props for the link

 

[tru_m.a.c]

they're not becoming a problem

not aimed at you, but that article as well as the conversation on academics is ass cheeks

a school is not simply a population of students, a population of teachers and test scores

correlation and causation are NOT the same thing...and adults/ppl in general simply do not understand those concepts

on the first page the article states, "Yet, while most of the charter schools perform relatively well on tests, a majority of Harlem’s students attend schools that do not." But not once does it give a detailed, fact checked answer. So the reader is left to assume what the problem is. Only the article deceptively has already crafted a problem for the reader to subconsciously latch on to.

For example, the next paragraph

Parents in some of those schools said they felt their children had missed out on the experiment, as their schools continued to perform poorly and sometimes were considered for closing. Some also described a disconnect between the concept of choice, which most of them wholeheartedly embrace, and the execution of it. Information on schools provided by the city in printed directories is often outdated (the city’s Web site is more current). And the constant churning of schools, and a school grading system that can result in large swings in a few years, has left them wondering which schools are truly successful.

Not one mention of any actual academic teaching/courses. No reference to specific teacher /student engagements. No talk about how a kid who was previously struggling was able to turn their test scores around. Or talk about how a kid that was once excelling is now stagnant due to "constant school churning."

This piece of shyt article has nothing to do with actual teaching.

 

[theworldismine13]

i read the article but it just seems to be pointing out some growing pains, overall i dont see anything wrong, why on earth would you want to go back to a system where kids are stuck in failing schools?

 

[BlackWidow]

Charter schools have selective enrollment, so they can easily kick out a kid who isn't performing up to standards (academically, and esp. behaviorally ) and send them back to those failing schools. Charters schools are no better than public schools.

 

[88m3]

I'll drop some info later I found out in the last few months. I thought they were great until I found out more info about them.
Really disappointed in the system and country as per usual.

 

[theworldismine13]

Charter schools have selective enrollment, so they can easily kick out a kid who isn't performing up to standards (academically, and esp. behaviorally ) and send them back to those failing schools. Charters schools are no better than public schools.

even if that was true (it isnt) what is wrong with that, students should be shuffled around until they find a place that fits their learning style or that knows how to discipline properly, as for the failing school, the failing school should be shut down

 

[BlackWidow]

It is wrong b/c they want all the benefits of private schools, yet want public money. You can just give the students extra support at the schools they are currently at.

 

[theworldismine13]

It is wrong b/c they want all the benefits of private schools, yet want public money. You can just give the students extra support at the schools they are currently at.

or a better idea is to simply shut the failing school down because its not a matter of more support, when a school is failing it usually has to do with the parents and the teachers, "give the students extra support" is a completely meaningless statement and an excuse for failure and incompetence

 

[the next guy]

The Rotenberg Center's Controversial Behavior-Modification Program -- New York Magazine

Cheryl McCollins got her first hint that something was wrong when she answered her phone on the *evening of October 25, 2002. “Andre had a bad day.” It was a case manager calling from the residential school her son *attended in Massachusetts, roughly 215 miles away. Cheryl had received calls like this before, but the news tonight was *nearly incomprehensible: That day, her son had received 31 electric shocks as punishment for misbehaving.

“Thirty-one?!” gasped Cheryl, standing in her kitchen in Brooklyn. “What did he do?”

Andre, 18 years old, had been diagnosed with mental retardation, and for the past twenty months he’d been living at the Judge Rotenberg Center. A school of last resort for troubled children and adults, the Rotenberg Center runs a controversial *behavior-modification program, where the repertoire of punishments includes painful electric shocks.

It’s easy to tell which students are hooked up to the shock device: They’re the ones with backpacks. The device stays hidden inside, with wires extending from the backpack, running beneath their clothes, and attaching to electrodes strapped to their arms and legs. Staffers carry remote-control activators; when students display certain “targeted behaviors”—like hitting, yelling, or trying to remove their *electrodes—an employee presses a button to deliver a two-second shock.

Cheryl had agreed to let the school’s staff attach this device to her son, figuring it might help control his behavior better than the Risperdal or Clonidine he’d taken. By now, he had been hooked up to it for seven months, and she could tell it scared him: When he’d leave the school with her wearing the device, all she had to do was hold up the activator to get him to stop misbehaving.

 

[daze23]

or a better idea is to simply shut the failing school down because its not a matter of more support, when a school is failing it usually has to do with the parents and the teachers, "give the students extra support" is a completely meaningless statement and an excuse for failure and incompetence

yeah, simply shut the school down... and then what?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Let's blame the teachers for piss poor parenting...

 

[theworldismine13]

yeah, simply shut the school down... and then what?

What do you mean then what? You shut it down and then disperse the students to different schools

 

[tru_m.a.c]

What do you mean then what? You shut it down and then disperse the students to different schools

lol you make it sound oh so easy

and if the parents were a problem, how is a child switching schools going to help.....they're stuck with their parents

if the childs environment is the problem....same idea

if it was simply a matter of learning and solving problems, there would be no reason to shut a school down...you'd just revamp the curriculum

nobody wants to admit that the only way to have a consistently positive influence over education at a city wide level, is to enforce serious social engineering practices for everything that affects a child and his or her lifestyle from embryo to high school graduation ceremony

 

[theworldismine13]

lol you make it sound oh so easy

and if the parents were a problem, how is a child switching schools going to help.....they're stuck with their parents

if the childs environment is the problem....same idea

if it was simply a matter of learning and solving problems, there would be no reason to shut a school down...you'd just revamp the curriculum

nobody wants to admit that the only way to have a consistently positive influence over education at a city wide level, is to enforce serious social engineering practices for everything that affects a child and his or her lifestyle from embryo to high school graduation ceremony

i think you are confused, actually the whole point of the charter school movement is to deal with the culture that the public school is incapable of handling

google childrens harlem zone and geoffery canada


i think what people dont want to admit is that the public school is inherently incapable of dealing with it, and the public school system should pretty much be abolished and be replaced with independent charter schools and vouchers

i think everytime a failing school is closed there should be celebration