NPR Poll: After Biden's debate performance, the presidential race is unchanged

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This is a very long article and it contains a lot of information so open the link to read the whole thing. Biden is leading Trump 50-48, even after the debate and Biden is ahead among likely voters. That probably explains why Trump and his allies are already claiming that the election will be stolen.

This caught my eye:

Nearly two-thirds of the more than 1,300 respondents said they believe Biden lacks the mental fitness to be president. That includes almost 4 in 10 Democrats.

But the survey also found that by a 2-to-1 margin, 68% to 32%, people said it’s more concerning to have a president who doesn’t tell the truth than one who might be too old to serve.






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The race for the presidency remains statistically tied despite President Biden’s dismal debate performance two weeks ago, a new national NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds.

Biden actually gained a point since last month’s survey, which was taken before the debate. In this poll, he leads Trump 50% to 48% in a head-to-head matchup. But Biden slips when third-party options are introduced, with Trump holding the slightest advantage with 43% to 42%.

Those numbers, though, do not represent statistically significant differences, as the margin of error in the survey is +/- 3.1 percentage points, meaning results could be 3 points higher or lower.

The poll also found that, at this point, no other mainstream Democrat who has been mentioned as a replacement for the president on the ticket does better than Biden.

The results reflect the hyperpolarized political environment in the country and the reality that both of the major parties’ presumptive nominees bring with them significant disadvantages. Majorities of those surveyed continue to say they have a negative opinion of both men, and neither, they say, should be on the ballot at all.

“This is an unpleasant rematch with two unpopular people,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, “but Biden gets points for honesty and character. As a result, there’s a lot of canceling out.”


Nearly two-thirds of the more than 1,300 respondents said they believe Biden lacks the mental fitness to be president. That includes almost 4 in 10 Democrats.


But the survey also found that by a 2-to-1 margin, 68% to 32%, people said it’s more concerning to have a president who doesn’t tell the truth than one who might be too old to serve.


A majority said Biden has the character to be president (52%), while a majority also said Trump does not (56%).


Still, nearly 6 in 10 believe Trump will win, including a quarter of Democrats, and national polls are far less important than in the most competitive states. A Democratic presidential candidate typically needs a wider margin in national polls for that to translate to an Electoral College victory because of the nature of swing states. They, in general, lean more conservative than the country at large because Democratic votes are concentrated on the coasts.

A race likely to be decided on the margins​

Since the debate, on average, polls have shown Biden slipping a couple of points, but pollsters generally say it takes a couple of weeks for public opinion to settle after a major political event — and the changes have been within the margin of error.

Plus, while some Democratic leaders have called for Biden to step aside — and an even larger number are very concerned about his chances — there has also been significant pushback from many rank-and-file voters on the left, who see unbalanced media scrutiny since the debate on Biden’s flaws as compared to Trump’s.

 

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if biden stays in, people will probably come back around to him

it's still embarrassing to make this guy president for another 4 years, but if trump is the alternative, it's no choice at all. democrats are lucky that republicans were dumb enough not to run desantis, or literally anyone else :mjlol:
 
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People will vote for Biden’s rotting corpse over four more years of the Trump reality show.

As they should. Neither of them are great candidates and neither inspire much confidence in the future of this country but the lessor of the evils is Jim Crow Sleepy Joe over Emperor Palpatine so it is what it is.
 

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According to some posters on this site, polls shouldn't be taken serious so I'm curious to see the comments in this thread and if it will be taken serious or not.
You shouldn't take them seriously until after labor day in about 6 weeks because Summer and the political conventions will be over. This poll goes to show that rank and file voters are not as gloom and doom on Biden as Democratic politicians and fundraisers.
 
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surprise, surprise.

most of the country remembers how awful trump’s first term was and isn’t interested in revisiting it with an added bit of fascism on top.

been telling yall trump is going to be trounced. quiet as it’s kept, black people are coming through for biden hard body. they won’t mention it, but we are the reason trump is going to get his ass handed to him.

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Apparently Biden is right. Another poll, this one from ABC, is showing that the debate didn't change one thing and people are still going to vote for him. This poll sheds light on the fact that he is not leaving, because older Black people have his back and they want him to stay:

Biden and Trump tied despite debate, as 67% call for president to drop out: POLL​

Vice President Harris fares as well as Biden against Trump.
ByGary Langer
July 11, 2024

Two-thirds of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll – including a majority of Joe Biden’s own supporters – say he should step aside as his party’s presumptive nominee for president given his debate performance two weeks ago. That’s even as Biden continues to run evenly with Donald Trump, with no meaningful post-debate change in vote preferences.

Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.

Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

This doesn’t mean Biden didn’t take on damage from the debate. Sixty-seven percent overall say he should withdraw from the race. More, 85% now say he is too old for a second term, a new high, up from an already-broad 81% in April and 68% just more than a year ago.

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Stay or go​

Majorities across most groups say Biden should step aside, albeit to varying degrees. It's lowest, 49%, among Black people, including 32% among Black people age 50 and older, an especially strong group for Biden.

Fifty-six percent of Democrats say Biden should withdraw, rising to 72% of independents and a nearly identical share of Republicans, 73%. Six in 10 liberals say so, as do about 7 in 10 moderates and conservatives. It's also about 7 in 10 among both white and Hispanic people. Even among people who have a favorable opinion of Biden personally, 55% say he should step aside, as do 77% of those who see him unfavorably.

Vote choice​

Like the Biden-Trump horse race overall, preferences among groups are very similar to what they were in April. It’s 39-53%, Biden-Trump, among white people, for example, 49-42% among Hispanic people and 77-17% among Black people.

His debate performance notwithstanding, Democrats stick with Biden, 91-5%; Republicans with Trump, 94-4%; and independents, often swing voters in national elections, split 40-44% (Biden-Trump), not a significant difference.

There are some differences in Harris’ support against Trump compared with Biden’s, though not enough to make that race anything but another dead heat. Harris does better against Trump with women, 52-44%, compared with 47-46% for Biden-Trump among women.


 

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People will vote for Biden’s rotting corpse over four more years of the Trump reality show.

As they should. Neither of them are great candidates and neither inspire much confidence in the future of this country but the lessor of the evils is Jim Crow Sleepy Joe over Emperor Palpatine so it is what it is.
This news must have hurt the trumpers


But hey they love trump right?
 

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Its kind of funny when you think about it. If the either party had fielded a better candidate while the other retained their current choice then their odds of winning would be high. But... it is what it is.
 
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