Now the Prison Reform issue is being framed as a Black women's issue

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As for it being framed as a Black woman's issue, I think it is, and that is out of necessity. Just as with police killings, there was a notable lack of awareness of the affect it had on Black women, it focused heavily on Black men; both of the discussions need to be front-and-center. I had just as many Black female students last year that had been in touch with the school-to-prison pipeline as I had Black male students.

My issue is; black women's rate of imprisonment is not out of the norm. Black male incarceration is at global historic levels. Worst than Apartheid South Africa.

Also, the video in the OP pass on some straight up lies.

We are getting caught in this idea women across the board have it worst than men in everything that we're willing to let any claim pass through for fear of be "sexist."

I've peeped these police killing numbers. IN 2015, it was like 8 to 100, black women and black men killed by police.

I there was a spreadsheet that showed more trans-people were killed by cops in (I think) 2013 than black women in one state.

There is no data to support the idea women at all have it as bad as men in this particular issue.

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My issue is; black women's rate of imprisonment is not out of the norm. Black male incarceration is at global historic levels. Worst than Apartheid South Africa.

Also, the video in the OP pass on some straight up lies.

We are getting caught in this idea women across the board have it worst than men in everything that we're willing to let any claim pass through for fear of be "sexist."

I've peeped these police killing numbers. IN 2015, it was like 8 to 100, black women and black men killed by police.

I there was a spreadsheet that showed more trans-people were killed by cops in (I think) 2013 than black women in one state.

There is no data to support the idea women at all have it as bad as men in this particular issue.

chartoftheday_11573_gender_of_inmates_in_us_federal_prisons_and_general_population_n.jpg


1280px-US_Prisoner_Demographics.svg.png
Black women are disproportionately imprisoned and killed by police.
That’s it. Not sure why you’re fighting this.
 

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Black women are disproportionately imprisoned and killed by police.
That’s it. Not sure why you’re fighting this.

Exactly...

And have been since the beginning of the prison system. Black men, Black woman and Black children -- have always been targeted, disproportionately imprisoned and killed by police and by White terrorism in general.

I hope BM and BW who do this challenge and bicker over who has it worse STOP. BW know BM are locked up more -- we know cause BM are our fathers, brothers, uncles, sons, cousins, etc.

It's an issue for US - not just BM or BW. Of course, they will always go after the men more -- but that doesn't stop them from going after BW and children too.

Following the abolition of slavery in 1865, the state prison system in United States underwent a major transformation and the convict lease system was established. The legacies of the overrepresentation, intense labor, and ill treatment of black women in the penal system are still evident in the system today. After the abolition of slavery, the number of incarcerated black women increased because the U.S. prison system developed to replicate and reinforce the gendered oppressions and social control specific to black women that had previously existed for slaves.

Adam Hirsch asserts, “the penitentiary arose in the age of slavery,” which illustrates that the presence of black people in the U.S. had an important role within the development of the prison system.6 Slaves were usually punished by their owners outside of the state justice system due to the inherent heteronomous nature of chattel slavery. In the lower South, before the abolition of slavery, virtually none of those imprisoned were slaves.

However, even after emancipation occurred, white Americans possessed a monopoly of social and political power over the black caste, a racially subjugated group. In order to control the black population, the state incarcerated an increasing number of black women following abolition. Hence, the rise of the penitentiary system occurred alongside changing attitudes towards crime and punishment, connected to changing social, economic and political conditions in society.

Once the Emancipation Proclamation came into effect, according to the U.S. Department of Justice, the number of prisoners rose from 60.7 per 100,000 in 1860 to 85.3 per 100,000 in 1870.9 The exponential increase in the number of prisoners suggests that the 13th Amendment allowed southern states to resolve their economic concerns regarding the abolition of slavery by establishing the convict lease system.

By 1880, a third of the black population in the South had been imprisoned - though how many of these prisoners were women is unclear.

Georgia and Alabama, though both in the South, had different attitudes towards black women’s labor. In 1908, Georgia implemented a domestic sphere within the carceral system that forced black women to work as domestic servants while serving parole. However, the extremely diverse laboring expectations of Georgia’s convict women contrasts the exclusively domestic vocational roles of Alabama’s female inmates.16 Despite the separation in labor expectations, the penal system in both Alabama and Georgia aligned with the racial and gendered beliefs of the time. Georgia treated black women from a racial perspective that assumed their blackness made them less than women, whereas Alabama’s gendered perspectives influenced the state’s treatment of female inmates.

Ultimately, the Southern “carceral regime [was] a key infrastructure that produced and reinforced racialized constructions of gender and gendered divisions of labor.”17 Black women faced a variety of oppressions due to the intersection of their gender and race within the Southern convict lease system. Gendered racial terror in the south was the genesis of women’s interactions with the criminal justice system.

The end of the Reconstruction era in 1877 to the beginning of the Great Depression in 1926 is also known as the “Lynching era”. An estimated 2,462 African Americans were killed and 79% of lynching crimes occurred in the southern states. It is clear that “Southern chivalry [drew] no line of sex” as African American women were also victims of lynching. 3% of victims were female and though this statistic is comparatively small, it highlights that the justice system did not protect black women from violence.
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This is like saying overweight men get breast cancer too...

Or White people get killed by police too...

Or White people are poor too...

Or Asian immigrants get deported too...

Black women are twice as likely to get imprisoned than White women...

But is it the same as a Black men on any level...no...

With the way policy and advocacy works....

Black men need to have their own lane...

Like Black women and LGBT got the whole STD issue...cause it affects them more...straight Black men don't get STDs on the level of Black women and Black LGBT

You can't just slide over and be like...we go to to prison too....

Mass Incarceration and Police killings are Black male issues...it affects Black men more than anybody...

It happens to Black men more than anybody...

Violence in all forms happens to Black and Latino males more than anybody...

Everybody can't just jump on the bandwagon and be like "us too"

But since Black men do not have the proper representation and advocacy in the academy or in politics....we end up with narrative shifts that leaves us behind...

Black Lives Matter was about Black men and boys being killed by police...but look at the policy they presented...suddenly it became all about Black women, Black immigrants and LGBT...and everybody that is leading it nationally is either a Black woman or LGBT...

Mass Incarceration has been about Black men forever since we disproportionately make up the prison population along with Latino men....now they pushing for Black women to be the face of it...

Political empathy and will is finite...I am tired of the plights of Black men being everybody's stepping stone to get to the forefront...everybody got their lane...

It ain't enough to go around...American DOS Black men need to wake up because we are already economically disenfranchised...now we are being politically disenfranchised

Everything cannot be about everybody...and if something is gonna be for everybody...then everybody needs to represented and have their voice heard...but that's not often the case because everybody know there is a competition for political empathy and will...

American DOS Black men need political will and empathy more than anybody..
 
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This is like saying overweight men get breast cancer too...

Or White people get killed by police too...

Or White people are poor too...

Or Asian immigrants get deported too...

Black women are twice as likely to get imprisoned than White women...

But is it the same as a Black men on any level...no...

With the way policy and advocacy works....

Black men need to have their own lane...

Like Black women and LGBT got the whole STD issue...cause it affects them more...straight Black men don't get STDs on the level of Black women and Black LGBT

You can't just slide over and be like...we go to to prison too....

Mass Incarceration and Police killings are Black male issues...it affects Black men more than anybody...

It happens to Black men more than anybody...

Violence in all forms happens to Black and Latino males more than anybody...

Everybody can't just jump on the bandwagon and be like "us too"

But since Black men do not have the proper representation and advocacy in the academy or in politics....we end up with narrative shifts that leaves us behind...

Black Lives Matter was about Black men and boys being killed by police...but look at the policy they presented...suddenly it became all about Black women, Black immigrants and LGBT...and everybody that is leading it nationally is either a Black woman or LGBT...

Mass Incarceration has been about Black men forever since we disproportionately make up the prison population along with Latino men....now they pushing for Black women to be the face of it...

Political empathy and will is finite...I am tired of the plights of Black men being everybody's stepping stone to get to the forefront...everybody got their lane...

It ain't enough to go around...American DOS Black men need to wake up because we are already economically disenfranchised...now we are being politically disenfranchised

Everything cannot be about everybody...and if something is gonna be for everybody...then everybody needs to represented and have their voice heard...but that's not often the case because everybody know there is a competition for political empathy and will...

American DOS Black men need political will and empathy more than anybody..


The point is -- it doesn't have to be an either .. or.

Nor do we need to be against either -- or -- getting any press on this issue.

Black men are -- and will continue to be the face of the issue.
 

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The point is -- it doesn't have to be an either .. or.

Nor do we need to be against either -- or -- getting any press on this issue.

Black men are -- and will continue to be the face of the issue.

I thought about this over the week and I realized I falling into some weird liberal identity politics...and became embarrassed.

The treatment of people in prison is fukked up and I don't want anybody in there.

A Mass Incarceration Mystery
Although the Black prison rates declined from 2000 to 2015...for Black men 24% and Black women 50%

Prisons need to be abolished period...

Should be about decency and American prisons are ill-fit environments for human beings...

How we do politics in the USA is just fukked up and silly...
 
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Black women are disproportionately imprisoned and killed by police.
That’s it. Not sure why you’re fighting this.

Exactly...

And have been since the beginning of the prison system. Black men, Black woman and Black children -- have always been targeted, disproportionately imprisoned and killed by police and by White terrorism in general.

I hope BM and BW who do this challenge and bicker over who has it worse STOP. BW know BM are locked up more -- we know cause BM are our fathers, brothers, uncles, sons, cousins, etc.

It's an issue for US - not just BM or BW. Of course, they will always go after the men more -- but that doesn't stop them from going after BW and children too.

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Am I missing something?

This thread is comparing black men and women and how they aren't even close to each other.

It's like people have auto-responses to making women the victim in everything.

We really arguing over a ratio on 150 to 3,100? "Black women have to hard" Sure, but, they're are more black men in American prisons than women imprisoned in the entire world...TOTAL.

The numbers are approximately 700,000 outtta 4 billion women to 733,000 outta 12 million black males just in America.

What exactly am I missing, here?
 

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Am I missing something?

This thread is comparing black men and women and how they aren't even close to each other.

It's like people have auto-responses to making women the victim in everything.

We really arguing over a ratio on 150 to 3,100? "Black women have to hard" Sure, but, they're are more black men in American prisons than women imprisoned in the entire world...TOTAL.

The numbers are approximately 700,000 outtta 4 billion women to 733,000 outta 12 million black males just in America.

What exactly am I missing, here?
In comparison to other women, not black men you. That’s what disproportionate means: not in line with your proportion of the population.
 
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